Morning all
Good news: looks like we can expect a writeup on all this FUD from Cryptoarticles:
https://twitter.com/jdebunt/status/528130273188126720
Topic: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 45. (Read 1484219 times)
October 31, 2014, 05:33:45 AM
October 31, 2014, 05:32:14 AM
is tor save?
i heard no
financed by us marine
i heard no
financed by us marine
Nope, with btc there's a problem - www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-tor-anonymity-can-busted-2500-month/.
With XC there's multiple layers of privacy enhancing features, though.
October 31, 2014, 05:31:51 AM
I vote a +1 for using this board strictly for announcements from now on.
It's taking too much efforts from our team to manage and those efforts could be used for so much other more productive tasks.
With the current way of events it also takes a lot of time and energy for community members to read up on all the posts (of which most are completely irrelevant to the tech thats being build.
It's too bad we'll lose input from some senior crypto boardmembers, but they will acknowledge that this place is corrupted to the bone and does not serve any coin any good.
When members are paid to bring down competitors there really is no other way to leave the place that allows this to happen.
Reddit is a alternative, but would equally be corrupted by paid users.
It's time to think about how we can handle PR like a company would. Because a regular company would simply not allow to be trashed on a public board. The crypto scene is just a place where coins are born, but none has ever really left the nest. A lot of coins get killed by siblings.
When blocknet inc and XC inc are going to represent the transparency and decentralization they intent to bring to the world with their tech, the "company" should incorporate those principles into it's own foundation.
Having said that, I think it's OK to put our cards on the table in regard to coin reviews and associations with known P&D groups.
The name calling as it is being done at the moment has already smeared the reputation of our team. There is no shame in begin honest about your own intentions and the context in with the events took place. I fully trust Dan having made the decisions that would enable him to keep working on ANON tech to give to the world. Having used the premine to develop and then looking for alternative sources of income by doing coin reviews makes total sense to me. Although I would like to point out that we, as a community could have helped with funding too.
It kinda comes back to transparency again, which from an "old world paradigm" I can image feels like being exposed. It's not though.
When the premine accounting would have been published and the choices for extra income would have been shared, it would have made us stronger for being honest.
The timing of this shitstorm is perfect for starting on this new world vision of honesty and transparency. The XC inc and blocknet inc should represent that. It's an evolutionary step into the right direction. The tech and development are still in the very capable hands of Dan. The PR is still in the very capable hands of Arlyn. Let's make sure they can focus on the thing they are good at.
As being part of this community I call to move forward with the following steps:
1. Leave the bitcointalk forums for a way to communicate among each other. Make the XC announcement thread purely for announcements.
2. Focus on the current roadmap and set time based milestones for the new developments.
3. Share the costs (amounts of development hours / PR hours etc) with the community and see if we need to find ways to gather more investors. We will be building this tech like a business (as we have been doing all along) So we should be able to find serious investors from outside the crypto landscape.
4. Share any and all doubts or decisions that should be made in the community. If we are going to steer this company together in full transparency anyone should be allowed to have a say.
Meanwhile I'd like to form a team of community members to develop a new platform for decentralized transparent governance.
We shall build a platform (other then this board) where content of posters can be valued by certain criteria, for example:
- Constructive feedback
- Emotive language
- Fact based vs assumption based
It will allow voting on the direction of the tech based on "specialist" members views. This means a way to find consensus between the community and leaders of the Tech. For some issues the community will be able to choose the direction based on visions that can be rated.
For other issues the community is only one voice and a specialist (like Dan) will have the final say in what direction will be taken.
I've got this idea of community governance for a long time and this seems like an appropriate context to implement it.
I will work out some more of the idea and make a thread specifically for developing it. Please PM me if you think you can contribute.
It's taking too much efforts from our team to manage and those efforts could be used for so much other more productive tasks.
With the current way of events it also takes a lot of time and energy for community members to read up on all the posts (of which most are completely irrelevant to the tech thats being build.
It's too bad we'll lose input from some senior crypto boardmembers, but they will acknowledge that this place is corrupted to the bone and does not serve any coin any good.
When members are paid to bring down competitors there really is no other way to leave the place that allows this to happen.
Reddit is a alternative, but would equally be corrupted by paid users.
It's time to think about how we can handle PR like a company would. Because a regular company would simply not allow to be trashed on a public board. The crypto scene is just a place where coins are born, but none has ever really left the nest. A lot of coins get killed by siblings.
When blocknet inc and XC inc are going to represent the transparency and decentralization they intent to bring to the world with their tech, the "company" should incorporate those principles into it's own foundation.
Having said that, I think it's OK to put our cards on the table in regard to coin reviews and associations with known P&D groups.
The name calling as it is being done at the moment has already smeared the reputation of our team. There is no shame in begin honest about your own intentions and the context in with the events took place. I fully trust Dan having made the decisions that would enable him to keep working on ANON tech to give to the world. Having used the premine to develop and then looking for alternative sources of income by doing coin reviews makes total sense to me. Although I would like to point out that we, as a community could have helped with funding too.
It kinda comes back to transparency again, which from an "old world paradigm" I can image feels like being exposed. It's not though.
When the premine accounting would have been published and the choices for extra income would have been shared, it would have made us stronger for being honest.
The timing of this shitstorm is perfect for starting on this new world vision of honesty and transparency. The XC inc and blocknet inc should represent that. It's an evolutionary step into the right direction. The tech and development are still in the very capable hands of Dan. The PR is still in the very capable hands of Arlyn. Let's make sure they can focus on the thing they are good at.
As being part of this community I call to move forward with the following steps:
1. Leave the bitcointalk forums for a way to communicate among each other. Make the XC announcement thread purely for announcements.
2. Focus on the current roadmap and set time based milestones for the new developments.
3. Share the costs (amounts of development hours / PR hours etc) with the community and see if we need to find ways to gather more investors. We will be building this tech like a business (as we have been doing all along) So we should be able to find serious investors from outside the crypto landscape.
4. Share any and all doubts or decisions that should be made in the community. If we are going to steer this company together in full transparency anyone should be allowed to have a say.
Meanwhile I'd like to form a team of community members to develop a new platform for decentralized transparent governance.
We shall build a platform (other then this board) where content of posters can be valued by certain criteria, for example:
- Constructive feedback
- Emotive language
- Fact based vs assumption based
It will allow voting on the direction of the tech based on "specialist" members views. This means a way to find consensus between the community and leaders of the Tech. For some issues the community will be able to choose the direction based on visions that can be rated.
For other issues the community is only one voice and a specialist (like Dan) will have the final say in what direction will be taken.
I've got this idea of community governance for a long time and this seems like an appropriate context to implement it.
I will work out some more of the idea and make a thread specifically for developing it. Please PM me if you think you can contribute.
If you don't allow the FUDders to spam in this thread they will create new threads. We can better damage control in here. What you can do as an investor is being vigilant disproving their lies as soon as they are stated as the dev. and PR team has to sleep.
October 31, 2014, 05:26:23 AM
is tor save?
i heard no
financed by us marine
i heard no
financed by us marine
October 31, 2014, 04:51:54 AM
I vote a +1 for using this board strictly for announcements from now on.
It's taking too much efforts from our team to manage and those efforts could be used for so much other more productive tasks.
With the current way of events it also takes a lot of time and energy for community members to read up on all the posts (of which most are completely irrelevant to the tech thats being build.
It's too bad we'll lose input from some senior crypto boardmembers, but they will acknowledge that this place is corrupted to the bone and does not serve any coin any good.
When members are paid to bring down competitors there really is no other way to leave the place that allows this to happen.
Reddit is a alternative, but would equally be corrupted by paid users.
It's time to think about how we can handle PR like a company would. Because a regular company would simply not allow to be trashed on a public board. The crypto scene is just a place where coins are born, but none has ever really left the nest. A lot of coins get killed by siblings.
When blocknet inc and XC inc are going to represent the transparency and decentralization they intent to bring to the world with their tech, the "company" should incorporate those principles into it's own foundation.
Having said that, I think it's OK to put our cards on the table in regard to coin reviews and associations with known P&D groups.
The name calling as it is being done at the moment has already smeared the reputation of our team. There is no shame in begin honest about your own intentions and the context in with the events took place. I fully trust Dan having made the decisions that would enable him to keep working on ANON tech to give to the world. Having used the premine to develop and then looking for alternative sources of income by doing coin reviews makes total sense to me. Although I would like to point out that we, as a community could have helped with funding too.
It kinda comes back to transparency again, which from an "old world paradigm" I can image feels like being exposed. It's not though.
When the premine accounting would have been published and the choices for extra income would have been shared, it would have made us stronger for being honest.
The timing of this shitstorm is perfect for starting on this new world vision of honesty and transparency. The XC inc and blocknet inc should represent that. It's an evolutionary step into the right direction. The tech and development are still in the very capable hands of Dan. The PR is still in the very capable hands of Arlyn. Let's make sure they can focus on the thing they are good at.
As being part of this community I call to move forward with the following steps:
1. Leave the bitcointalk forums for a way to communicate among each other. Make the XC announcement thread purely for announcements.
2. Focus on the current roadmap and set time based milestones for the new developments.
3. Share the costs (amounts of development hours / PR hours etc) with the community and see if we need to find ways to gather more investors. We will be building this tech like a business (as we have been doing all along) So we should be able to find serious investors from outside the crypto landscape.
4. Share any and all doubts or decisions that should be made in the community. If we are going to steer this company together in full transparency anyone should be allowed to have a say.
Meanwhile I'd like to form a team of community members to develop a new platform for decentralized transparent governance.
We shall build a platform (other then this board) where content of posters can be valued by certain criteria, for example:
- Constructive feedback
- Emotive language
- Fact based vs assumption based
It will allow voting on the direction of the tech based on "specialist" members views. This means a way to find consensus between the community and leaders of the Tech. For some issues the community will be able to choose the direction based on visions that can be rated.
For other issues the community is only one voice and a specialist (like Dan) will have the final say in what direction will be taken.
I've got this idea of community governance for a long time and this seems like an appropriate context to implement it.
I will work out some more of the idea and make a thread specifically for developing it. Please PM me if you think you can contribute.
It's taking too much efforts from our team to manage and those efforts could be used for so much other more productive tasks.
With the current way of events it also takes a lot of time and energy for community members to read up on all the posts (of which most are completely irrelevant to the tech thats being build.
It's too bad we'll lose input from some senior crypto boardmembers, but they will acknowledge that this place is corrupted to the bone and does not serve any coin any good.
When members are paid to bring down competitors there really is no other way to leave the place that allows this to happen.
Reddit is a alternative, but would equally be corrupted by paid users.
It's time to think about how we can handle PR like a company would. Because a regular company would simply not allow to be trashed on a public board. The crypto scene is just a place where coins are born, but none has ever really left the nest. A lot of coins get killed by siblings.
When blocknet inc and XC inc are going to represent the transparency and decentralization they intent to bring to the world with their tech, the "company" should incorporate those principles into it's own foundation.
Having said that, I think it's OK to put our cards on the table in regard to coin reviews and associations with known P&D groups.
The name calling as it is being done at the moment has already smeared the reputation of our team. There is no shame in begin honest about your own intentions and the context in with the events took place. I fully trust Dan having made the decisions that would enable him to keep working on ANON tech to give to the world. Having used the premine to develop and then looking for alternative sources of income by doing coin reviews makes total sense to me. Although I would like to point out that we, as a community could have helped with funding too.
It kinda comes back to transparency again, which from an "old world paradigm" I can image feels like being exposed. It's not though.
When the premine accounting would have been published and the choices for extra income would have been shared, it would have made us stronger for being honest.
The timing of this shitstorm is perfect for starting on this new world vision of honesty and transparency. The XC inc and blocknet inc should represent that. It's an evolutionary step into the right direction. The tech and development are still in the very capable hands of Dan. The PR is still in the very capable hands of Arlyn. Let's make sure they can focus on the thing they are good at.
As being part of this community I call to move forward with the following steps:
1. Leave the bitcointalk forums for a way to communicate among each other. Make the XC announcement thread purely for announcements.
2. Focus on the current roadmap and set time based milestones for the new developments.
3. Share the costs (amounts of development hours / PR hours etc) with the community and see if we need to find ways to gather more investors. We will be building this tech like a business (as we have been doing all along) So we should be able to find serious investors from outside the crypto landscape.
4. Share any and all doubts or decisions that should be made in the community. If we are going to steer this company together in full transparency anyone should be allowed to have a say.
Meanwhile I'd like to form a team of community members to develop a new platform for decentralized transparent governance.
We shall build a platform (other then this board) where content of posters can be valued by certain criteria, for example:
- Constructive feedback
- Emotive language
- Fact based vs assumption based
It will allow voting on the direction of the tech based on "specialist" members views. This means a way to find consensus between the community and leaders of the Tech. For some issues the community will be able to choose the direction based on visions that can be rated.
For other issues the community is only one voice and a specialist (like Dan) will have the final say in what direction will be taken.
I've got this idea of community governance for a long time and this seems like an appropriate context to implement it.
I will work out some more of the idea and make a thread specifically for developing it. Please PM me if you think you can contribute.
October 31, 2014, 04:49:21 AM
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atcsecure, what's your view on this?
It sounds quite familiar and can we consider this as a competitor?
It sounds quite familiar and can we consider this as a competitor?
Yes it is a competitor and a sign that time are changing, big business is getting into "monetizing the node".. IBM has a project in the works as well.
It is a race to the finish at this point while competing against big players
Did you all pass over this? Worthy of taking a look at. While everyone else is squabbling about this or that, I'm keeping my eyes on the big picture.
It seems that no one seems to care. In my opinion, this is actually quite huge for XC as the similarieties on the project confirm that atcsecure's vision is heading on the right direction. If bigger company (as in Bitpay) is working on a similar project, that does tell me that there's actually something bubbling on a larger scale at the tech front.
I agree totally.
October 31, 2014, 04:39:12 AM
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atcsecure, what's your view on this?
It sounds quite familiar and can we consider this as a competitor?
It sounds quite familiar and can we consider this as a competitor?
Yes it is a competitor and a sign that time are changing, big business is getting into "monetizing the node".. IBM has a project in the works as well.
It is a race to the finish at this point while competing against big players
Did you all pass over this? Worthy of taking a look at. While everyone else is squabbling about this or that, I'm keeping my eyes on the big picture.
It seems that no one seems to care. In my opinion, this is actually quite huge for XC as the similarieties on the project confirm that atcsecure's vision is heading on the right direction. If bigger company (as in Bitpay) is working on a similar project, that does tell me that there's actually something bubbling on a larger scale at the tech front.
October 31, 2014, 04:36:49 AM
None of the premine was dumped, ever.
It was not used to buy Blocknet tokens.
And I was not aware that the premine was spent by mid-Sept until today.
I apologise - again - for our not having maintained a list of our spending of it. As the person in charge of PR, I take personal responsibility for this. I was not aware of Pizpie's statement on Reddit (and I'm not sure I was part of the team then), but I was aware of the importance of being transparent about spending.
Anyway, moving forward, we've got funding and we've got Dan's deep commitment to XC.
All's well IMO.
It was not used to buy Blocknet tokens.
And I was not aware that the premine was spent by mid-Sept until today.
I apologise - again - for our not having maintained a list of our spending of it. As the person in charge of PR, I take personal responsibility for this. I was not aware of Pizpie's statement on Reddit (and I'm not sure I was part of the team then), but I was aware of the importance of being transparent about spending.
Anyway, moving forward, we've got funding and we've got Dan's deep commitment to XC.
All's well IMO.
Classic. You must be the only one here who thinks all is well. As the head of PR, perhaps you would be able to tell us if the marketing guru from Addidas is still on the team? Do we still have some amazing marketing to look forward to or not?
+1 "Do we still have some amazing marketing to look forward to or not?"
This is the question I ask for 2 weeks.
I think these price dumps are good moments to focus on that:
1) prepare xchange roadmap - when we want to get.. btc-e maybe? or bitcoinwisdom charts?
2) fund some money for marketing maybe
3) make more noise on social networks
4) make more noise on crypto newspapers
5) prepare user friendly how to's and tutorial videos
6) refresh the webpage look
7) build community, not only talk about money and tech
buy some adds on coinmarketcap/exchangesWithout people/community/engagment there's no bright future.
Watch doge. Stupid coin? Maybe, but still stronger, not because of tech, but because of community.
--
PS
Sorry for complaining again
Synechist, is this possible beside having tech roadmap/plans to show relevant marketing roadmap?
Just to know there are any marketing plans
(beside talking "it will be awsome") and how they are correlated to XC development and official announcment?Beside, not sure if good idea, but could we have some general ETA'a for XC public announcment? at least in form of year/quarter ?
October 31, 2014, 03:41:24 AM
yesterday i put a buy order at 31k but now i see that it wont go so low, because buy support now is huge, so i put my buy order at ~50 and hope it will be filled 
everyone fudding here are regret (im also regret) that they didint buy yesterday at ~43 , and they want to see that price again
waiting news about tor stick today and hope that we wont go lower than present price
everyone fudding here are regret (im also regret) that they didint buy yesterday at ~43 , and they want to see that price again
waiting news about tor stick today and hope that we wont go lower than present price
Of course it is.
Remember there will be an XC Inc ito and you will receive some shares based on XC you are holding too. So its in the fudders best interests to fud the shit out this coin after they dumped them for block shares.
Look past the ramblings of morons who best interests are to pick up coins cheap looking over the horizon for the next one. You would have to be stupid to believe the fud about the premine since it shows a steady decrease in payments for serv ices rendered over the months ie no instant dumps or nothing like that. Some fool who thinks we are going to believe his lies from some skype conversation with a nobody or an imposter. Notice how one person DOMINATES the ms paint skype convo ? that is a manipulative personality to get people to believe your lies.
ANyway, none of the fud is justified in my honest opinion, just like the dark dev having a cry on twitter..no substance only jealousy.
October 31, 2014, 02:34:40 AM
yesterday i put a buy order at 31k but now i see that it wont go so low, because buy support now is huge, so i put my buy order at ~50 and hope it will be filled
everyone fudding here are regret (im also regret) that they didint buy yesterday at ~43 , and they want to see that price again
waiting news about tor stick today and hope that we wont go lower than present price
everyone fudding here are regret (im also regret) that they didint buy yesterday at ~43 , and they want to see that price again
waiting news about tor stick today and hope that we wont go lower than present price
October 31, 2014, 02:18:11 AM
YourMother is using a proven lier to discredit a team that has delivered again and again?
Prom has shown again and again that he will lie to make a profit, it is his business model.
Also notice how this is posted when they know Dan is a sleep so he can't defend him self.
CRYPT is dead and it would make little sense to revive it as the brand has been tarred beyond repair.
When reading all this and making up your own opinion then remember to validate the sources. A screen shot of a skype conv. with a known lier is not a valid source IMO.
Prom has shown again and again that he will lie to make a profit, it is his business model.
Also notice how this is posted when they know Dan is a sleep so he can't defend him self.
CRYPT is dead and it would make little sense to revive it as the brand has been tarred beyond repair.
When reading all this and making up your own opinion then remember to validate the sources. A screen shot of a skype conv. with a known lier is not a valid source IMO.
It's even worse than that. In my opinion...everyone who is adamant in creating a BS talking point needs to prove that they are not part of the following...
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We're an advertising agency and we've been hired by several companies here to damage the reputation of their competitors.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/100-upfront-payment-earn-1-btc-a-month-to-spread-fud-and-troll-819814_----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Done should be the days of anyone just walking in here and demanding answers to idiotic questions. They should have to prove why they should be taken seriously...much less deserve any kind of answer.
Excuse me. They cost me a lot of money and I'm pissed. Not at Dan. Not at XC. Not even in general since I know that crypto is weird and crazy and can change on a dime.
I'm pissed at unnecessary impediment of valid developers who are trying to make things better. If Dan and company (or if it pleases, Company and Dan ((it's a collaboration issue)) )can do what they say they can do..then give them a chance before IBM...
Don't need to lie to kick it, yo...
I merely set the record straight on "out of context" or "altered and modified" irc logs. Now everyone can dispense with the fact its made up and judge for themselves.
October 31, 2014, 02:09:36 AM
For the record, requoting the troll image is lame and, in my opinion, meant to be lame. It's a terrible image...and I will associate it with paid trolls rather than XC.
You guys aren't as clever as you think you are. Imagery is a poor substitute for valid talking points.
Case in point - Cigarette companies used images of coffins and graveyards to promote their cigarettes. Why? Because it instilled a sense of immediate doom by which they immediately countered with their brand and images of smoking. The subconscious imploration was that cigarettes were the answer to thoughts of doom and gloom.
It created circular reasoning...circular. Think about that for a second...
itll be deleted in the morning so no worries. You guys aren't as clever as you think you are. Imagery is a poor substitute for valid talking points.
Case in point - Cigarette companies used images of coffins and graveyards to promote their cigarettes. Why? Because it instilled a sense of immediate doom by which they immediately countered with their brand and images of smoking. The subconscious imploration was that cigarettes were the answer to thoughts of doom and gloom.
It created circular reasoning...circular. Think about that for a second...
October 31, 2014, 02:04:44 AM
YourMother is using a proven lier to discredit a team that has delivered again and again?
Prom has shown again and again that he will lie to make a profit, it is his business model.
Also notice how this is posted when they know Dan is a sleep so he can't defend him self.
CRYPT is dead and it would make little sense to revive it as the brand has been tarred beyond repair.
When reading all this and making up your own opinion then remember to validate the sources. A screen shot of a skype conv. with a known lier is not a valid source IMO.
Prom has shown again and again that he will lie to make a profit, it is his business model.
Also notice how this is posted when they know Dan is a sleep so he can't defend him self.
CRYPT is dead and it would make little sense to revive it as the brand has been tarred beyond repair.
When reading all this and making up your own opinion then remember to validate the sources. A screen shot of a skype conv. with a known lier is not a valid source IMO.
October 31, 2014, 01:59:17 AM
I'm starting to think we should move to a private forum. The troll to person ratio around here has gotten out of control...
October 31, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
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October 31, 2014, 01:35:31 AM
that was already posted on the main page thread jerkoff. The entire post is rubbish except for the fact about Dan being the Halycon dev
Prometheus said that
He helped Prometheus and his team with the code...
Prometheus said that
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The code for the HAL anon was done and complete, Dan took it to the next level with a few suggestions. He reviewed not just the anon code, but the code of the coin in it's entirety.
He helped Prometheus and his team with the code...
October 31, 2014, 01:05:55 AM
Oh just stop with the weak at best attempts to make a bad situation better you're just making it far worse..let dan speak i don't much care what a fool has to say!
My preference?
I rather Dan coded and put you guys right where you belong inside of three, four, or even seven months from now. Because I think that will happen. I don't think he needs to reply to something so fallaciously attributed.
Call me a fool...I've been called worse. And you may even continue to do so....it doesn't change the fact that I hold no confidence in what your red arrows are saying.
I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't intend on proving anything with just MS Paint...
lol first it was twitter, now ms paint
October 31, 2014, 12:53:34 AM
you're right - i remember the post earlier now that you mention it.
somebody trying to intentionally incriminate it appears in this case.
somebody trying to intentionally incriminate it appears in this case.
It's a moderated thread. Lot's of things get posted. At the time (check your context) synechist was trying to be civil and accommodate an onslaught of posts. It's not an issue in my opinion (which I care not if you value, Good Sir).
October 31, 2014, 12:43:20 AM
Sorry, I think I just deleted someone's post by mistake.
(This wasn't yours, Tylerdurden.)
(This wasn't yours, Tylerdurden.)
October 31, 2014, 12:11:01 AM
Your name is already trashed all because of the people you deal with so please own it and just do the right thing and sort this mess out so we can all move on!
And my response is merely to quote...
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We're an advertising agency and we've been hired by several companies here to damage the reputation of their competitors.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/100-upfront-payment-earn-1-btc-a-month-to-spread-fud-and-troll-819814Jump to: