Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1524. (Read 4670622 times)

Doesn't work for me.  All I get is "unknown command".  Yes my wallet has a seed.  I deleted it from the log file long ago.

The help command reveals nothing useful for seed.

thanks, that worked, and my wallet is like from early May..

When you send from simplewallet it gives you the txid right away. When you send from an exchange they usually give you the txid on their wallet/balances/withdraw page although it was reported here recently that one of the exchanges did not.

Ok. is there a command to get that tx id from wherever i'm sending from? (meaning from simple wallet?? As I would probably/likely send it from the exchange a temporary simplewallet address, then on to the paper address).

So, thats me final question, I promise, and thanks again, much appreciated.

The view key will eventually allow you to do that but for now you can look up the transaction in a block explorer by txid to make sure it was confirmed into the block chain.

if you type "seed" within simplewallet, it will show you your 24 words

I don't know maybe. You can look. The older wallets didn't provide a seed, so all you have in that case is the wallet file itself.


You only need the .keys file.

If you don't have the seed I suggest you just create a brand new wallet (offline if you are paranoid) save the seed securely then send the funds to that wallet.

1. I've created a wallet before. but i don't recall getting the 24 words. is it in the logfile or something?

2. Ditto on the viewkey - don't recall that either, but i made this wallet from the first version btw... (and have deleted my logfiles a few times, so this address is not really good anymore (in sig i mean) in practical terms.
4. What files do i need for that, just the binaries, or do i need to keep my *.keys file?

Note that I'm not sure how the 24-word seed works with wallet passwords. I still have an old-style wallet so I've never used the word seed before. Not sure if you just need the seed (like Electrum) or if you need both seed + password.

Man, you guys are fantastic, thank you.

just a few smallish questions from that great post -

1. I've created a wallet before. but i don't recall getting the 24 words. is it in the logfile or something?
2. Ditto on the viewkey - don't recall that either, but i made this wallet from the first version btw... (and have deleted my logfiles a few times, so this address is not really good anymore (in sig i mean) in practical terms.
4. What files do i need for that, just the binaries, or do i need to keep my *.keys file?

thanks again, sorry for being a moron, just need to do this 100% correct, too much at stake!

Edit right now my XMR is on an exchange. a good one, albeit i'm not going to leave them there. HELL no.. no goxxing for me thanks!

You need to record it when you create the account  (aka "wallet").


You need to record this as well. Currently there is no use for the view key, as tools to use it don't yet exist. In principle it allows viewing the transactions for an account without the ability to spend the coins.


The view key will eventually allow you to do that but for now you can look up the transaction in a block explorer by txid to make sure it was confirmed into the block chain.


simplewallet ----restore-deterministic-wallet

1.  Where/how do i retrieve my 24 word seed from after the wallet has been created exactly?

2.  What is a viewkey, how do i get it, and how is it used/what is it used for? (sorry new term to me, not sure why)?

3.  Assuming i send XMR to my cold storage address, how can i ever verify the xmr made it, without sweeping the wallet?

4.  How would one go about sweeping the wallet, ie, the procedure to get your wallet back using the 24 words (sorry for the ELI5 request here, but i've had trouble with btc offline wallets, so i don't care to mess anything up.. especially if it's a fairly good chunk of xmr if you get my drift.

Is there any progress in getting the client to use the blockchain from the HDD as opposed to loading it all in RAM?

Looking forward to when an official GUI is put out. I don't mind the command-line [although this is my first time using a command line wallet],
but I think a GUI would really open doors for adoption.

Is there any progress in getting the client to use the blockchain from the HDD as opposed to loading it all in RAM?
Looking forward to when an official GUI is put out. I don't mind the command-line [although this is my first time using a command line wallet],
but I think a GUI would really open doors for adoption.

Good job to the devs and community. 

I hope with the BTSX&BTCD implosion coming ahead, more people will finally realize this arms race is not about "fancy" feature. The purpose of a cryptocurrency is not to develop stuff like a "chat" (it's trendy currently apparently), be it a "shadow chat", a "dark chat" or whatever. Even less a "Web 3.0" (sic).

Any cryptocurrency whose success relies only on fancy shiny features is doomed to fail.
Any cryptocurrency whose sustainable success relies on weekly-announced new "surprise" features, is also doomed to fail.
Any cryptocurrency whose sustainable success relies on adding new layers of complexity to reach one of its *original* goal (for instance, providing prooven anonymity), is equally doomed to fail.
Any cryptocurrency that does not have enough to bring on the table compared to bitcoin, is trivially doomed to fail.

These reasons only are sufficient to discard 99.9% of altcoins, including some of the largest market caps seen currently. Once people get tired of being ripped off by crap marketing, they'll listen to the voices of reason.

My advice to anybody arriving in cryptoland to invest more than short term: stick with BTC. If you want to go risky and play the "potential early adopter game", invest in XMR. And no other cryptocurrency than these two, as there is simply no fundamental reason to do so.

My suggestion is as follows:

1. Take any machine you have lying around, even your normal workstation. You may find it easier to use an older computer that has no wifi or bluetooth if you're particularly paranoid.
2. Create a Linux or Windows bootable disk, and make sure you have the Monero binaries on the same disk or on a second disk (for Linux make sure you have also downloaded copies of the dependencies you will need, libboost1.55 and miniupnpc for instance).
3. Disconnect the network and/or Internet cables from your machine, physically remove the wifi card or switch the wifi/bluetooth off on a laptop if possible.
4. Boot into your bootable OS, install the dependencies if necessary.
5. Copy the Monero binaries to to a RAM disk (/dev/shm in Linux, Windows bootable ISOs normally have a Z: drive or something)
6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.
11. Switch off the computer, remove the battery if there is one, and leave it physically off for a few hours.

There you go - the wallet you've created was created in RAM, and the digital files are now lost forever. If some magical hacker manages to somehow get the data, they will lack the long password to open it. If you need to receive payments, you have the address, and you have the view key if needed. If you need access to it, you have your 24 word seed, and you can now write out several copies of it so that you have an offsite copy (eg. a bank deposit box). Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Yes I am aware of this.

Currently the minikeys I use are 30 or 31 characters long for Bitcoin and Litecoin.

Not sure if I could get it down closer to that range though. Space is an issue for physical coins especially when it determines how much of the hologram gets put on to coin surface area which adds to its security. Larger area the harder it is to get it off with current attacks. Hence why I've also lasered the edges of some of my coins to make it that much more difficult.

Yes 256 is way too long.

You certainly don't need the words. That is just one user-friendly way of representing the seed, which is a 256 bit number. You can encode that in hex or base58 or whatever. I'm not sure if that helps you with holograms though, 256 bits is pretty big.