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August 10, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
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August 10, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
Regarding mixins, it might be useful to have a low-end random mixin as a default. So if the user selects "Low" or doesn't specify, the mixin would be a random value between 2 and 10 (for example).
If the user selects "Medium" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 11 and 20.
If the user selects "High" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 21 and 30.
etc.
If the user selects "Medium" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 11 and 20.
If the user selects "High" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 21 and 30.
etc.
Remember that it's a slider, so we can have 2 as the minimum (for instance) and 100 as the maximum on the slider, and we can literally have all 98 intermediary steps represented.
I do fully back Mumbles' suggestion (especially as it's something I've alluded to before) that dashboard transfers (which don't have a privacy slider) will have a random mixin between the minimum and a sane value that doesn't ramp the tx fees when we're on per-kb fees.
August 10, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
Regarding mixins, it might be useful to have a low-end random mixin as a default. So if the user selects "Low" or doesn't specify, the mixin would be a random value between 2 and 10 (for example).
If the user selects "Medium" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 11 and 20.
If the user selects "High" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 21 and 30.
etc.
If the user selects "Medium" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 11 and 20.
If the user selects "High" ambiguity, mixin is a random number between 21 and 30.
etc.
August 10, 2014, 02:54:59 PM
Is anyone willing to sell me a small amount of monero? Maybe like 20-ish?
Why not use an exchange?
Registering then transferring the BTC there, buying monero transferring it back is just too much work wasted for a small amount.
You have to work at it to learn, and to get anything out.Try some new exchanges: you will discover useful information.
I started on altcoins 18 months ago, worked at it,and made nothing for a while. Now it is different.
By now, I am now registered on 26 exchanges, and own 75 different coins.
That is alot of exchanges. You should start a thread and list and rate them.. I didn't even know there was that many still operational. Are you including the scammer ones in that list?
August 10, 2014, 02:30:54 PM
You have to work at it to learn, and to get anything out.Try some new exchanges: you will discover useful information.
I started on altcoins 18 months ago, worked at it,and made nothing for a while. Now it is different.
By now, I am now registered on 26 exchanges, and own 75 different coins.
It's nice to see that you're still around. It's been a while now since I've noticed one of your posts.I started on altcoins 18 months ago, worked at it,and made nothing for a while. Now it is different.
By now, I am now registered on 26 exchanges, and own 75 different coins.
Indeed, you're a real trader but I do not have time for this sadly. Other life issues have recently struck and I had to sell out most of it.
So you're a supporter of monero as well or you're just trading it?
August 10, 2014, 01:45:18 PM
Well, there are two different things you are trying to solve here.
1) Ease of use
2) Not having all transactions at the same mixin level
I don't think pushing the burden of 2 on to the average user is the way to solve it. Its a highly technical detail that 95% of users (or more) are not going to understand or want to think about, and it will constantly make them wonder if they are "doing the right thing" or if their transaction is secure enough. Could even discourage use.
The average user is completely ignorant and scared of technology. They know how to turn on their PCs, click the email icons, and that's about it. Thats not an insult to them. They are experts at their day job being doctors, lawyers, etc... but they just don't have any desire or understanding of tech in general. Given that the GUI wallet's purpose is to remove the complexity and make Monero accessible to the masses (if that's possible), then I would really focus on removing any "cognitive load" on the user. Don't force them to think about things that they can't possible understand anyway.
Perhaps a good solution would be to automatically randomize the mix in value between an upper and lower bound and not expose it at all to the end user. Advanced users that want to specifiy a certain value can do so in their preferences or an advanced options screen.
1) Ease of use
2) Not having all transactions at the same mixin level
I don't think pushing the burden of 2 on to the average user is the way to solve it. Its a highly technical detail that 95% of users (or more) are not going to understand or want to think about, and it will constantly make them wonder if they are "doing the right thing" or if their transaction is secure enough. Could even discourage use.
The average user is completely ignorant and scared of technology. They know how to turn on their PCs, click the email icons, and that's about it. Thats not an insult to them. They are experts at their day job being doctors, lawyers, etc... but they just don't have any desire or understanding of tech in general. Given that the GUI wallet's purpose is to remove the complexity and make Monero accessible to the masses (if that's possible), then I would really focus on removing any "cognitive load" on the user. Don't force them to think about things that they can't possible understand anyway.
Perhaps a good solution would be to automatically randomize the mix in value between an upper and lower bound and not expose it at all to the end user. Advanced users that want to specifiy a certain value can do so in their preferences or an advanced options screen.
Once we have the entire interface completed we'll do interface testing with testing groups made up of people in multiple countries from all sorts of backgrounds, so we'll have a good cross-section. Typically they have a series of tasks to perform with no education or training on how to use the product or even what it is. We film them over their shoulder to see how they react and where they get frustrated. During this process we can do A/B testing with the privacy bar on/off between two groups, and then we'll have some tangible feedback as to what works and what doesn't. Should give us some direction as to what to do with that:)
August 10, 2014, 01:19:22 PM
I was hoping that mixin 0 would be disabled at the protocol level at some point, it has shown to be open to abuse.
Yes, that's the plan.
August 10, 2014, 01:17:33 PM
there was a 5620 XMR dumped on bittrex right down to .003 this morning
I have bought some when the value was about .0045, do you think it will recover or I should sell now and take the loss?
I'm not sure, I'm not selling, but it is disappointing to see a strong coin like Monero fall like this. What does it say? That the market is not interested in strong coins at all? But the market is more interested in fluff?
It seems the folly of man is going to be our downside, not any issue with Monero itself.
Dark times.
Looking at the Poloniex chart, May 19th low was 0.00104. June 6th low was 0.00175. July 13th low was 0.002315. August 5th low was 0.00334.
August 10, 2014, 01:01:11 PM
Would it be smart to place some "smart" restrictions around high mixin? To help the blockchain size?
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
When we move to per-kb tx fees then there will be a linear relationship between the mixin level and the fee you pay, so that will discourage that. Ultimately, though, if someone makes a bunch of high mixin transactions, all they're doing is adding to the utxoset, and thus widening the anonymityset (which is a good thing:)
BTW, currently default mixin = 3 for node-cryptonote-pool. If you, guys, concern about it, probably it's will be good idea to submit a PR and change it to 0 by default.
I was hoping that mixin 0 would be disabled at the protocol level at some point, it has shown to be open to abuse.
August 10, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
Would it be smart to place some "smart" restrictions around high mixin? To help the blockchain size?
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
When we move to per-kb tx fees then there will be a linear relationship between the mixin level and the fee you pay, so that will discourage that. Ultimately, though, if someone makes a bunch of high mixin transactions, all they're doing is adding to the utxoset, and thus widening the anonymityset (which is a good thing:)
BTW, currently default mixin = 3 for node-cryptonote-pool. If you, guys, concern about it, probably it's will be good idea to submit a PR and change it to 0 by default.
August 10, 2014, 12:57:36 PM
Well, there are two different things you are trying to solve here.
1) Ease of use
2) Not having all transactions at the same mixin level
I don't think pushing the burden of 2 on to the average user is the way to solve it. Its a highly technical detail that 95% of users (or more) are not going to understand or want to think about, and it will constantly make them wonder if they are "doing the right thing" or if their transaction is secure enough. Could even discourage use.
The average user is completely ignorant and scared of technology. They know how to turn on their PCs, click the email icons, and that's about it. Thats not an insult to them. They are experts at their day job being doctors, lawyers, etc... but they just don't have any desire or understanding of tech in general. Given that the GUI wallet's purpose is to remove the complexity and make Monero accessible to the masses (if that's possible), then I would really focus on removing any "cognitive load" on the user. Don't force them to think about things that they can't possible understand anyway.
Perhaps a good solution would be to automatically randomize the mix in value between an upper and lower bound and not expose it at all to the end user. Advanced users that want to specifiy a certain value can do so in their preferences or an advanced options screen.
Don't you think this is a knowledge transfer / user education thing? I mean, after the first start wizard new users will see the tutorial screen (I'll show that off when completed), so before they see the privacy slider in the natural course of things they'll learn what it is.
Not showing the privacy slider effectively locks 90% of future transactions in at a single mixin (or even a random selection from a group), so this is something we need to keep loose so that the anonymityset isn't slightly reduced by a fixed mixin level.
1) Ease of use
2) Not having all transactions at the same mixin level
I don't think pushing the burden of 2 on to the average user is the way to solve it. Its a highly technical detail that 95% of users (or more) are not going to understand or want to think about, and it will constantly make them wonder if they are "doing the right thing" or if their transaction is secure enough. Could even discourage use.
The average user is completely ignorant and scared of technology. They know how to turn on their PCs, click the email icons, and that's about it. Thats not an insult to them. They are experts at their day job being doctors, lawyers, etc... but they just don't have any desire or understanding of tech in general. Given that the GUI wallet's purpose is to remove the complexity and make Monero accessible to the masses (if that's possible), then I would really focus on removing any "cognitive load" on the user. Don't force them to think about things that they can't possible understand anyway.
Perhaps a good solution would be to automatically randomize the mix in value between an upper and lower bound and not expose it at all to the end user. Advanced users that want to specifiy a certain value can do so in their preferences or an advanced options screen.
Don't you think this is a knowledge transfer / user education thing? I mean, after the first start wizard new users will see the tutorial screen (I'll show that off when completed), so before they see the privacy slider in the natural course of things they'll learn what it is.
Not showing the privacy slider effectively locks 90% of future transactions in at a single mixin (or even a random selection from a group), so this is something we need to keep loose so that the anonymityset isn't slightly reduced by a fixed mixin level.
August 10, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
Would it be smart to place some "smart" restrictions around high mixin? To help the blockchain size?
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
When we move to per-kb tx fees then there will be a linear relationship between the mixin level and the fee you pay, so that will discourage that. Ultimately, though, if someone makes a bunch of high mixin transactions, all they're doing is adding to the utxoset, and thus widening the anonymityset (which is a good thing:)
August 10, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Maybe dumb question, but what are the effects of higher vs lower mixins on
-blockchain size
-transaction speed
-blockchain size
-transaction speed
blockchain size
The higher the mixin the greater the physical transaction size, so if everyone is using a mixin of 100 it would increase tx size (and thus block size) linearly with the mixin amount.
transaction speed
Zero impact. Unlike a coin that uses multiple stages of mixing, onion mixing, or CoinJoin (even with multiple mixing stages) a tx is the same speed whether it has a mixin of 2, 20, or 200.
Would it be smart to place some "smart" restrictions around high mixin? To help the blockchain size?
Like- Prevent it on "Dust" sized tx.
August 10, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Charts here: http://crypto-prices.com/XMR
August 10, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
Is anyone willing to sell me a small amount of monero? Maybe like 20-ish?
Why not use an exchange?
Registering then transferring the BTC there, buying monero transferring it back is just too much work wasted for a small amount.
You have to work at it to learn, and to get anything out.Try some new exchanges: you will discover useful information.
I started on altcoins 18 months ago, worked at it,and made nothing for a while. Now it is different.
By now, I am now registered on 26 exchanges, and own 75 different coins.
August 10, 2014, 10:19:52 AM
For anyone who might message me, I will already have a deal and get my Monero soon.
Join us on IRC.
Join us on IRC.
August 10, 2014, 09:30:35 AM
Virustotal is showing lots of hits on yvg1900 - Mu7 Miner CPU miner.
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/caeb65367a8d7fa5a07986845036b7dcd4b631787ac3932fe2dd08c3ff427111/analysis/1407680763/
Is also unable to connect via proxy, thoughts?
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/caeb65367a8d7fa5a07986845036b7dcd4b631787ac3932fe2dd08c3ff427111/analysis/1407680763/
Is also unable to connect via proxy, thoughts?
August 10, 2014, 09:28:44 AM
Is anyone willing to sell me a small amount of monero? Maybe like 20-ish?
Why not use an exchange?
Registering then transferring the BTC there, buying monero transferring it back is just too much work wasted for a small amount.
If you hop on to IRC on Freenode, then there's a channel for OTC trades - #monero-otc
August 10, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
there was a 5620 XMR dumped on bittrex right down to .003 this morning
I have bought some when the value was about .0045, do you think it will recover or I should sell now and take the loss?
I'm not sure, I'm not selling, but it is disappointing to see a strong coin like Monero fall like this. What does it say? That the market is not interested in strong coins at all? But the market is more interested in fluff?
It seems the folly of man is going to be our downside, not any issue with Monero itself.
Dark times.
In the whole history of Cryptocurrencies that has in fact been the same. Prices and markets are always driven by short term profit, that is to say the real weight of money is looking for that.
'Investment' in true value and utility is a much longer game, much smaller capital, and it often suffers from the ebbs and flows of profiteers.
It has always been thus with stocks, commodities etc.. Without the markets, new ideas would not be funded : price paid.
Perhaps you try to listen to the voice of reason, and, if possible, not sell your monero to me just before the turn!
August 10, 2014, 09:09:14 AM
Is anyone willing to sell me a small amount of monero? Maybe like 20-ish?
Why not use an exchange?
Registering then transferring the BTC there, buying monero transferring it back is just too much work wasted for a small amount.
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