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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1561. (Read 4670972 times)

legendary
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The A/B testing and user experience sessions are fine and good practices in general. I just really disagree that privacy settings or some "mixin value" that the average user has no idea what it does, makes any sense to expose at the UI level for 95% of users. You are likely to confuse or sow doubt much more than educate or help them.

What are the reasons why anyone would ever select anything except the best mixing value? Does it cost something?

The higher the mix the bigger the transaction. That means it takes up more block space. In the medium term that will cost more in fees, although perhaps longer term Gavin's new block transmission algorithm could reduce or eliminate that.

EDIT: Also, if most transactions are mix 3 and you use mix 100 instead, you are perhaps calling more attention to your transaction. Whether that attention matters is questionable, but you may still prefer to stay in the weeds and use what everyone else is using, especially if the commonly used mixes already provide a high level of untraceability. We are still studying the math on this.

donator
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The A/B testing and user experience sessions are fine and good practices in general. I just really disagree that privacy settings or some "mixin value" that the average user has no idea what it does, makes any sense to expose at the UI level for 95% of users. You are likely to confuse or sow doubt much more than educate or help them.

What are the reasons why anyone would ever select anything except the best mixing value? Does it cost something?
newbie
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The A/B testing and user experience sessions are fine and good practices in general. I just really disagree that privacy settings or some "mixin value" that the average user has no idea what it does, makes any sense to expose at the UI level for 95% of users. You are likely to confuse or sow doubt much more than educate or help them.

I would rather see the dev team spend their limited time and resources on other much more important things than to try and test this. Of course so much depends on who your user base is when you bring them in for testing, but if you picked "real" users, such as soccer Moms and facebook teens, and grandmas, I feel very confident that none of them would a) want to think about what level of mixin to pick and b) would feel comfortable having to make that decision, and c) are likely to be scared of making a wrong choice, thus destroying the easy to use purpose of the GUI. Since there is no "right" answer, the software should hide the complexity from the user and pick a "good" value. Let the experts or advanced users worry about what mixin level matters to them. Grandma don't care (or want to care)!



Well, there are two different things you are trying to solve here.

1) Ease of use

2) Not having all transactions at the same mixin level

I don't think pushing the burden of 2 on to the average user is the way to solve it. Its a highly technical detail that 95% of users (or more) are not going to understand or want to think about, and it will constantly make them wonder if they are "doing the right thing" or if their transaction is secure enough. Could even discourage use.

The average user is completely ignorant and scared of technology. They know how to turn on their PCs, click the email icons, and that's about it. Thats not an insult to them. They are experts at their day job being doctors, lawyers, etc... but they just don't have any desire or understanding of tech in general. Given that the GUI wallet's purpose is to remove the complexity and make Monero accessible to the masses (if that's possible), then I would really focus on removing any "cognitive load" on the user. Don't force them to think about things that they can't possible understand anyway.

Perhaps a good solution would be to automatically randomize the mix in value between an upper and lower bound and not expose it at all to the end user. Advanced users that want to specifiy a certain value can do so in their preferences or an advanced options screen.

Once we have the entire interface completed we'll do interface testing with testing groups made up of people in multiple countries from all sorts of backgrounds, so we'll have a good cross-section. Typically they have a series of tasks to perform with no education or training on how to use the product or even what it is. We film them over their shoulder to see how they react and where they get frustrated. During this process we can do A/B testing with the privacy bar on/off between two groups, and then we'll have some tangible feedback as to what works and what doesn't. Should give us some direction as to what to do with that:)
legendary
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Where did you see the volume for the last 30 days? I can't find the site.

www.bitcoinwisdom.com
legendary
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Terminated.


XMR is #4 in volume (6837 btc) on the last 30 days. #1 is bitcoin.
Where did you see the volume for the last 30 days? I can't find the site.
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
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Last hours we can see 15.x XMR block reward. I'll miss this time of abundance.
legendary
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Black Belt Developer
cpu mining slower today, tried both wolf and yam.
is it something to do with the algorythm?
might that be the reason of lower hashrate?

EDIT: nevermind, apparently it was a problem with my pc (maybe a background process...)
legendary
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Don't be afraid to solo mine if you don't need the steady income. That is the absolute best defense for the network and as a bonus you are immune from pool DoS attacks.

A block of XMR is about 30 USD equivalent. If that is not something that will make or break you either way, you have nothing to fear from the variance of solo mining.






help please...

can someone guide me or give a link on how to setup solo mining for 280x gpu's ?

thanks in advance...



I'm not sure if you can solo using claymore's miner. In not then just go ahead and use one of the smaller pools (ideally one that donates a good portion of its fees to development).



thanks for your reply so solo mining is only for cpu's?
and thanks again...

From a brief look at the source code for tsiv's miner it looked like getwork support was still there meaning you could point it at your own daemon and mine with it. I haven't tried this. But like I said I have no idea if claymore's miner can do that.

With CPUs (and only CPUs) you can use the miner that is built into the daemon. There has been some talk of merging the GPU miner into the daemon, but so far that is just talk.

member
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Don't be afraid to solo mine if you don't need the steady income. That is the absolute best defense for the network and as a bonus you are immune from pool DoS attacks.

A block of XMR is about 30 USD equivalent. If that is not something that will make or break you either way, you have nothing to fear from the variance of solo mining.






help please...

can someone guide me or give a link on how to setup solo mining for 280x gpu's ?

thanks in advance...



I'm not sure if you can solo using claymore's miner. In not then just go ahead and use one of the smaller pools (ideally one that donates a good portion of its fees to development).



thanks for your reply so solo mining is only for cpu's?
and thanks again...
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Don't be afraid to solo mine if you don't need the steady income. That is the absolute best defense for the network and as a bonus you are immune from pool DoS attacks.

A block of XMR is about 30 USD equivalent. If that is not something that will make or break you either way, you have nothing to fear from the variance of solo mining.






help please...

can someone guide me or give a link on how to setup solo mining for 280x gpu's ?

thanks in advance...

I'm not sure if you can solo using claymore's miner. In not then just go ahead and use one of the smaller pools (ideally one that donates a good portion of its fees to development).

member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
Don't be afraid to solo mine if you don't need the steady income. That is the absolute best defense for the network and as a bonus you are immune from pool DoS attacks.

A block of XMR is about 30 USD equivalent. If that is not something that will make or break you either way, you have nothing to fear from the variance of solo mining.






help please...

can someone guide me or give a link on how to setup solo mining for 280x gpu's ?

thanks in advance...
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
I started mining on a relatively new pool, xmr.blockquarry.com. There are few users, but the payout is large.  Check it out.

Don't be afraid to solo mine if you don't need the steady income. That is the absolute best defense for the network and as a bonus you are immune from pool DoS attacks.

A block of XMR is about 30 USD equivalent. If that is not something that will make or break you either way, you have nothing to fear from the variance of solo mining.


legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
when The next block in half ? Whether in August 30? Who can answer?

There is no halving on this coin. The block reward is reduced gradually by a tiny amount every block, by half about every 18 months.
member
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when The next block in half ? Whether in August 30? Who can answer?

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