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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1631. (Read 4670972 times)

newbie
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Dorian?

Especially if I knew how to solve a multitude of problems I see in all the coins in existence. And especially if I didn't agree with their model of development by consensus MOB.

However, be aware that I am sometimes very ill and unable to work effectively. Sad  Angry
newbie
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I am selling community service hours for XMR

Pm me on bitmessage: BM-2cVLgc3SXJMpRLUTU6ZdQH4Zbio1y5EMfF

perfect for all occasions when you need volunteer/community service hours
hero member
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Oops.

It's a good thing I dumped this coin... Saved myself from another 12% loss  Cheesy

You feel more loss now. The price shoots to moon already  Wink 2 days ago: 0.0029 Now 0.0043

I'm crying, I sold all my xmr at 0.0037

That's really not that bad dude. Just buy in right now. that's not a major loss.

It depends on at which price he originally bought them before selling at 0.0037.

Also there is a chance that you can buy back at around 0.0037 or lower, but the value could also explode tomorrow, who knows.

My average buying price is around 0.0033 so I'm definately not selling until 0.006-0.007, and I will only sell if the rise is looking unsustainable, else holding long term Cool
sr. member
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Knowledge is Power
Oops.

It's a good thing I dumped this coin... Saved myself from another 12% loss  Cheesy

You feel more loss now. The price shoots to moon already  Wink 2 days ago: 0.0029 Now 0.0043

I'm crying, I sold all my xmr at 0.0037

That's really not that bad dude. Just buy in right now. that's not a major loss.
sr. member
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Oops.

It's a good thing I dumped this coin... Saved myself from another 12% loss  Cheesy

You feel more loss now. The price shoots to moon already  Wink 2 days ago: 0.0029 Now 0.0043

I'm crying, I sold all my xmr at 0.0037
legendary
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Oops.

It's a good thing I dumped this coin... Saved myself from another 12% loss  Cheesy

You feel more loss now. The price shoots to moon already  Wink 2 days ago: 0.0029 Now 0.0043
newbie
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Oops.

It's a good thing I dumped this coin... Saved myself from another 12% loss  Cheesy
legendary
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My feeling is that Monero will hit 100$+ next year, Bitcoin will be at least around 2000$ so 100$ for Monero is defintly realistic

Not likely.  It should be in the top ten coins but lets keep the expectations of value within the bounds of reality.



Well there are a lot of people who believe MONERO will reach at least 100$ and more, at the time this happens BTC is a lot of more valuable, so I think it;s possible, there is a good community, good activity and progress, see you on the m00n  Grin
legendary
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The development team, what is the new development plan ?

Please review here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7847156
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The development team, what is the new development plan ?
legendary
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My feeling is that Monero will hit 100$+ next year, Bitcoin will be at least around 2000$ so 100$ for Monero is defintly realistic

Not likely.  It should be in the top ten coins but lets keep the expectations of value within the bounds of reality.

legendary
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My point was more intended to say that there are possible alternatives to relying on tx fees and/or eternal emission to sustain network security, but if the accepted expert opinion is that some level  of eternal emission is in fact a good thing then that's even better!

It would be great to secure the network via another means, I'm sure that a solution may present itself within the next decade because there are a lot of people trying to solve this issue.

Another point, let's assume that the network could be secured via something else and no immortal inflation was required, would it still be wise to have some type of immortal coin release? I feel we would still need new coins being minted to keep the economy from going stale. For example look at NXT, looking at it from an outsiders perspective the only way in is to buy from someone, no new money can be created. Something feels wrong with that.  (To me anyway)
hero member
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Poloniex is considering to add a XMR market.

Just some Trollbox news.

coinup: busoni@poloniex, XMR and poloniex... it's a love story now. Why don't you drop LTC parity for XMR one?

busoni@poloniex:
coinup, it's definitely an idea I'm considering.

coinup was me. Busoni said the LTC market is currently pretty useless to them. From a very practical perspective, they would make more money by switching to XMR.
This is kind of "boom" event if it happens I think, as many newcomers would realize XMR is indeed something big.


Yea, an XMR market would benefit Poloniex much more than a LTC one, considering over 70% of trading on there comes from monero.
hero member
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I will continue in the Monero economics thread.

Please provide a link to the thread, so I could move my future economics related discussions there.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.new#new

I request if anyone replies to my points on economics, consider posting your reply to above linked economics thread instead of here. I will reply there.
hero member
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I will continue in the Monero economics thread.

Please provide a link to the thread, so I could move my future economics related discussions there.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.new#new
legendary
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My point was more intended to say that there are possible alternatives to relying on tx fees and/or eternal emission to sustain network security, but if the accepted expert opinion is that some level  of eternal emission is in fact a good thing then that's even better!

I don't think there is any "accepted expert opinion" on the matter. We are still waiting for the first cryptocoin to demonstrate sustained success for a long period of time (more than a few years), and that includes bitcoin.

sr. member
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I haven't had time to read the intervening posts, but here are a couple of followups to posts before I decided to leave this thread yesterday.


Note the alternative of a fixed nominal rate of emission means eventually the money supply stops growing which also has pathological divergence, e.g. you have to use transaction fees to fund mining which I had pointed out has pathological failure modes.

I'll sum up my rambling paragraph about tx fees funding decentralized mining which I posted yesterday then: I think Monero has even less chance than Bitcoin of funding decentralised mining from tx fees only, but there are other potential means of funding it which don't require a significant emission of coins if that is not desirable (I dont have an opinion on that). This is not necessarily a lesser of two evils problem, other solutions may be possible.

0.7% inflation means a doubling every 100 years of the supply. Is this "significant"?  I don't think so. This will secure the network and also not erode our wealth significantly.

I think the 0.7% figure is the right one. It's around that area though.

My point was more intended to say that there are possible alternatives to relying on tx fees and/or eternal emission to sustain network security, but if the accepted expert opinion is that some level  of eternal emission is in fact a good thing then that's even better!
hero member
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I will continue in the Monero economics thread.

Please provide a link to the thread, so I could move my future economics related discussions there.



Mining could be the most efficient way to introduce new users to the coin, as it doesn't require AML, KYC, fraudulent exchanges, etc..

Do you want a Mt.Gox and Coinbase driving your coin's adoption, or do you want to get the coins directly to them?

Directly, of course. [snip] I could set up a miner and earn $20 per month, expending only $30 in electricity

The masses don't calculate their electricity cost. And you are not discounting the value of bypassing all the hassles, regulations, KYC bullshit hoops to jump through, etc with the exchanges.

The masses just want to get some of this new cool coin in the easiest way possible.

, except I couldn't (I can't even delete a file).

And Monero doesn't even have a GUI much less even get close to targeting the masses in other ways. Again I reiterate that my career was based around making things popular for the masses, e.g. CoolPage with ~1 million verified downloads at download.com (and 335,000 websites confirmed via altavista) when the internet was 10 - 30 times smaller.

Using CoolPage was a not a wise economics decision (much better would have been to use the templates at Yahoo Geocities or hire a web designer for $200), yet 100,000s (millions at today's internet scale) of people decided it was more fun and interesting to create the website with their own creativity. People are curious and love to learn. Word-of-mouth is viral marketing.

The economies of the coins need people like me so the way to purchase them with existing stored value must always to be available

You are not the masses. Your efficiencies are different.

The whales such as yourself will invest in the coin with the most adoption and clear quality of development. Period.

I argue that the bolded part falls apart in the equation I = N * A, (inflation = number * average), though. Which is a pity:

To have a coin with manageable inflation, the product of the number of individual miners and their average reward must be contained. Therefore there is no incentive for anyone capable to become a miner, and the ones not capable.. well, they cannot.

Technically and economically astute people have a high minimum transaction cost in their life. $20 per month is not enough. The ones who drool over the idea of receiving $20, are not in the position to get even that Sad If they were, the formula above would take it to $2.

You forget the basic economics principle that demand vs. supply resolves with price.

The more that mine, the higher the price. Wink

Go for 3 - 10% instead!

Get behind me, Satan!

Going for 10% means 1.1^100 = 13,781 times higher coincount after a century. Even USD has mismanaged its issuance by only 6.5% per year on average for the last century. What differentiates hard currency from soft is that inflation is kept at check.

Even the idea of having double the amount of coins in 100 years is worrisome/preposterous to many. And that is only 0.7% inflation.

This is a really important matter. A 1%-point fail can easily destroy the coin.

Human population + productivity grows more in the realm of 5% per annum. Iron used to be a precious metal, but productivity changed that.

Satan is behind all the Malthusian bullshit resource scarcity propaganda, e.g. global warming hoax, Rockefeller's funding of environmental movements, etc. The Bible says go forth and MULTIPLY (exponentially).
donator
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0.7% inflation means a doubling every 100 years of the supply. Is this "significant"?  I don't think so. This will secure the network and also not erode our wealth significantly.

I think the 0.7% figure is the right one. It's around that area though.

Since Jesus: 1,048,576x inflation. "not significant". yeah

The greatest loss of mankind is its inability to understand the exponential function.

j/k I also think that is close to the right figure from gold standard perspective. But there may be more to it, so let the debate continue Smiley
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