Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 780. (Read 4671575 times)

   As one who's tried thousands of times to explain this to people, but many are stuck in their ways & always having to go back to Windows or Mac because it's the only two options is now the past (Unix/Linux or Open Source Operating Systems have been around for well over a decade). The funny thing is both Ubuntu & Linux Mint are just like a Mac or Windows build, give a Windows user Mint (Cinnamon Edition) & a Mac user Ubuntu (Unity Desktop). It's been over a decade of non-stop people wanting their XP (Vista or 7), even when there's a better soulution out there & the cost of users is far less. I don't dislike Windows, but am not a fan of Mac / Apple & only because of the poverty it takes to utilize. As a kid wanting the fancy shoes, but all grown up & will take the payless brand knowing the cost / labor in said buy.

You are not very smart, I knew you were going to say that, lil butthurt dash troll

...which is why I use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Specialties#chkboot that check for modifications of the /boot partition every new boot. I expect people involved in crypto to be able to secure themselves.

Yes, for example LEA agents looking to steal your coins. They have the technology, and are just humans. Theft will happen.

I don't think your "spyware infection" is going to try to search for ext4/xfs/jfs/btrfs/zfs partitions while you're booted into Windows - which can't natively read any of those disk formats - and inject an ELF executable.

If that happens, you're being targeted by a much more sinister organization.

Which partition? You'll still have your boot partition unencrypted.

Not if you encrypt the partition.

If you get spyware infection while booted on the Windows, it can see the Linux partition and copy itself there. Your run-of-the-mill keylogger hidden inside a clone coin wallet probably can't do that though.

Yes, but make sure to backup your data first, the Mint installation allows for dual boot easily, you'll have a very safe enviroment to deal with Monero on linux.

in other news, the new default mixin value was bumped to 4 https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/79c95c1748da8981aa8042db4cc316242a9f90fb

No, if your XP computer is infected, it can't alter the Linux .iso that you download. Download the iso, then burn it to a DVD, or to a USB drive using http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ You can verify that what you've downloaded hasn't been corrupted by comparing the checksum of the iso to the checksum of the iso that's posted on the download page (google "verify iso checksum").

I'd rather not turn this Monero thread into a Linux thread You can PM me if you want or better yet, check out ubuntuforums.org (their info applies to Linux Mint too). You can get answers to anything Ubuntu there.

But if you have a Windows XP and downloaded Linux mint or any Linux software on there, could it then be classified as "safe"? I'm really trying hard to get a new wallet that's not on mymonero so I can get my cold hard XMR off the web... but I don't know how I should go about doing this.  I definitely don't have the money to buy another computer...

Not only is it not as safe, but it's very arguably not as anonymous, as the user is sending their view key to the server. I assume that it's at least encrypted on its way to the server, and then discarded by the server afterwards, but this doesn't mean that there couldn't be some malicious logging going on somewhere along the chain that could link users' IP addresses to their transaction history, which could de-anonymize a good chunk of Monero transactions.

Given this projects' goals, people using it may assume that if it's Monero, its anonymity is not in question. Actually, based on your own words (in bold in the quoted material above) maybe the slogan on the MyMonero front page very well shouldn't be "Send and receive Monero safely and securely, anywhere and any time", and should, instead, be a warning that makes an effort to explain to people that their view keys are being sent to the server, that they're using a JavaScript-based wallet that is never going to be safe, and that this is only a stopgap solution. That would seem to better fit the principles of this project.

Give Linux Mint a try, or Ubuntu. "Linux" may sound intimidating, but my parents use it (Linux Mint) and they're not computer-savvy at all. Here are only a few reasons why you should at least try it:

• It's free.
• It's very secure. Most linux PCs don't run antivirus software because it's just not needed. You can get antivirus software if you want (also free).
• It's open-source, meaning, among other things, that people can browse the source code. This lets us verify that there is no spyware in the operating system. Microsoft spies on you, as does Apple, as does Google, as does AVG, etc. Not so with Linux.
• Firefox comes with the above mentioned versions of Linux, as does LibreOffice. With LibreOffice, you can open/edit/save Microsoft Office documents in Microsoft format, or in other formats. So, there's no need to buy Word, Excel, etc.

Linux also generally uses less system resources. You could put Linux on the free part of your existing hard drive. You can dual-boot your hard drive and when the computer starts, you'd choose between Linux and XP. The linux installation DVD will partition your drive for you (make a backup first!). If you'd use Linux for nothing but a Monero node, you should be ok with a 40GB partition, but of course more space is better. If you don't have space and can't get another computer, you could just buy a separate hard drive and put linux and Monero on it.

As has been mentioned, Windows XP is not supported by Microsoft anymore. It's not a very secure system to begin with, and with no patches available, it becomes more of a target for hackers with each passing day. It's not a system I'd want my Moneroj on.

XP is not supported anymore, it is after Windows 10 the big 'no no' with cryptocurrencies. Be your own bank involves more than running a node and wallet, you need to have some basic common sense

See, I strongly disagree with this argument. If tomorrow we had 10 or 5 second payment confirmations, would the userbase magically explode? Hardly. What is missing in virtually every crypto-currency in existence, is a meaningful use case, and one in which the convenience trade-offs are reasonably balanced with whatever functionality is introduced.

The strongest use case for Monero, is that it offers secure and decentralized private transactions.
No gimmicks, no enrich-me-nodes, no semi-centralized mixing, no vaporware du jour gamechanger tech that will-never-be.
Available today, truly private and untraceable.

Growth will slowly materialize if we continue to observe a steady increase in market adoption and sustained community expansion (so far, so good).
MoneroDice and CryptoKingdom are both important examples, however early stages for either of these. The more services developed around Monero, the more we increase it's usefulness and effective worth.

Some people told me about InstantX of Dash and Zerotime from Vanillacoin, as technologies of near instant payment.
Do you think such things could be inserted in Monero ?

Little edited copy/paste of my text in Monero Speculation thread :

The most important thing for a coin to succeed and to be adopted by all users and shops (on internet or real street store), is at first : to have a complete payment confirmation in less than 10 seconds, ideally 5. Until any coin includes this function, it's useless to speculate on it, because it will not be used in common all day payments tasks. That should be the first priority task for Monero devs (easy to say for me, I know, but I can barely understand and change some parameters in PHP or HTML code of a Wordpress install, so you see my level).

Communication/marketing is very important. About this, Monero website should really do as https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet page : teach clearly the people that there are Monero GUI wallets, even if not created by the team. Like Bitcoin : the most used wallets are not the "official one". You should really make that appear on website, plus updating the outdated links driving to the home/downloadpage of the GUI wallets.
http://monero.org/downloads/
https://getmonero.org/downloads/
and improve the design of
https://getmonero.org/home
https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose
in sections Web wallet, Desktop wallets and Non GUI wallet...
I think Monero team doesn't need to create a GUI wallet, if there are good ones from outside...

Sadly, as with the VHS/Betamax case, or Windows/Linux analogy, it's not always the best technology that's chosen and adopted by the world... So, informing and educating people about the Monero product, in a simple and clear way, is also a priority, before speculation... See the "success" of Dash, even if far less good than Monero... Or even Shadowcash... whatever the real objectives behind these projects are...

More documents like this should be add to getmonero.org Please add slides from developer YouTube presentations to website for share.

some peeps ask what monero looks like on the blockchain

i made slides

http://imgur.com/a/Oe0l1

It needs to be a 64-bit computer in order to run the Monero software and I imagine yours would be 32-bit which is not supported.

I don't know about your CPU but it's probably not worth it.  Neither is mine which now would take 3-4 weeks to mine 1 Monero but I actually turned it on a few days ago as it's turning cool by me and the heat is not really on yet so.... Hi ArticMine


At ~40 cents per Monero may I suggest you buy a few.  It seems the easiest way for you is to first set up a web wallet with MyMonero
 https://mymonero.com/#/
All you need to do to create an account is to click the button in the middle of the page which reads "Create an Account"

A 13 word seed will be created.  Write this down immediately on paper and place it in a secure location as well as a backup copy.  You will have to use it to log in to your account.  No other way to do it.  Wait, you are using XP which hasn't been supported for 18 months.  No security or other updates during that time.

Well my next step was to tell you the easiest way of buying which is using ShapeShift.  No account setup, not even email is required.  Just btc to buy with and a Monero address to send to.

Anybody have advice on using XP now?

Well I have a Windows XP with an AMD Athlon CPU and have been told by some people that it would be pointless to mine XMR on that thing, I just don't know how true that really is.   If I were to mine and get some "free" monero right now that might be worth thousands of dollars in the upcoming years, then it's really worth it.

All in all though, I would like to support the network and run a node.. but when I go on getmonero and learn about running nodes it tells me I need a VPS and all this kind of stuff.  I don't really think that is necessary, but then again I really don't know.

My computer is about 10 years old.. is it still capable of doing these kind of things in your opinion?