Topic: YES, you can get a REFUND from BFL - page 21. (Read 45622 times)

This is absolutely correct. PayPal will definitely shut down an account after the first time they are no longer able to claw back from a bank account. And the only way they won't be able to do that is if the bank account is closed with the funds transferred to another bank or...wait for it...converted to Bitcoin, readied for a clean getaway come September 16, 2013, the day after Sonny Vleisides' probation period is slated to end due to him fleecing millions from the elderly for his 15 year running lottery scam.

It's a shame the corp is in his step dad's name, Chris Vleisides. Or is it? The only way to know for sure is if the last four digits of the SSN match Chris V. or Sonny Chris V. on the incorp papers.

Someone posted in one of these threads that they tried to order using paypal and it didn't go through.

If someone wants to test, they'll certainly be able to cancel the order the next day.

Your post was a pain to read, but congratulations for pulling off this scam.
The more people behave like you, the faster the pyramid will crumble.

I want to share my experience in getting a BFL refund from PayPal.

ok let me  start off by saying never let anything you pay with paypal go pass 45 days!
they are hard ass dicks about that bullshit & would not do anything for me.

Now what did I want from BFL.
well I ordered 2 Singles on Feb 27 2013 for $2,632.00 USD
As you all know the BFL Singles are shipping out mad slow! & by the time I get my shit it will be July of 2014 or some bullshit like that.

My dispute is at "Awaiting other party's response" BFL has until Aug 15th to do 1 of 2 things
1 give paypal a tracking # or 2 give me back my $!
If they do not reply by the 15th then on the 16th paypal will give me my $! back

So how did I make this happen?
Well its all thanks to PuertoLibre
PuertoLibre posted this link https://www.paypal-businesscenter.com/content/presale-policy-and-reserves

If you look at


so step by step
login to your paypal then go to Contact Us from there go to "call us"
by having a call in pin helps speed things up.
ok now your going get a phone bot Give it your call pin after that just keep telling it operator, operator. yes you have to tell it 2 times 
when you do get a human being, just tell them you want to file a dispute & they will send you on over to the dispute "human beings"(if you can call them that)
just tell them its a presale item & that BFL has gone way pass the 20 days rule.
do tell them about the paypal-businesscenter link only because some of them are dumb & I don't know how they got a job.
just remember if you get a dick or an ass hole or the call just does not seem to going your way,
then just hang up do it over again.
I had to talk to many ass holes before I got someone who gave a shit.


So to anyone thinking about a refund I say do it now!
BFL is fucking with all of us & I'm soo done with it.
I have never in my life seen a business act in the way BFL has.
how long does it take to get fucking PSU's!!!

What makes you say this?

I have 3 disputes against them one of the orders i used my credit card thru paypal and the rest from my bank account.

Now if i dispute it with my credit card and do a charge back will be account be in a bad standing with paypal?


Also on my disputes paypal is asking me to respond and when i click on view there is nothing that i can do it is either cancel dispute or change reason.

What should i do?

From what I understand, their account is already dead. Supposedly they're taking Dwolla now, maybe someone should contact them and get that account shut down as well. Dwolla probably doesn't want to be known as a hotbed of scamming.

That sounds like:

A) They found a loophole to close cases. (stonewalling)

and

B) They are committing fraud if they claim an item has shipped and are aware that it hasn't.

Thats enough to kill their account.

Stay after them then and best wishes to you!

My $.02.

They did not give me refund and on the dispute they said it is shipped but they canceled my order.

They do that trick some customers think well they shipped it let me close the dispute and once you close it you cannot reopen it

You mean that you have both been refunded AND had your order shipped?

Call PayPal. I've had better luck with phone calls than e-mails.

on my dispute BFL replied as my items where shipped and they did not provide tracking number.

Also it says required action on my behalf when i click on the dispute there is nothing i can do there.

On the dashboard BFL marked the item as complete and refunded and on the claim they said they shipped it with no tracking number provided.

Any ideas what should i do at this point?

As a seller who has unfortunately worked with a buyer using stolen credit card, I can tell you that the refund is not contingent on them funding it.

They will get a bill from Paypal for each person who gets a refund from a 0 balance account.

You're welcome. Let us know if you succeed.

My family thanks you very much VCsmith for your thread and sharing information 

It took several days for my refund to process through PayPal, which I believe meant the PayPal refund had to be funded from their bank account.  My order was a small one, so the PayPal account had to be almost completely empty.

Of course I waited until the refund cleared before starting this thread.  

Inaba_Josh is conspicuously absent from this thread.

Wonder why he wouldn't want to discuss BFL's righteous position on refunds?

Since BF Labs Inc. quit giving refunds after July 4, 2013, because they went into Full Production, producing 300-400 units a day, there was no need to keep a positive balance in their PayPal account. Ergo, any refunds via PP since then was out of their pocket if they couldn't claw back from Sonny Vleisides checking account, of which I'm pretty sure their bank is also not a happy camper. The only happy camper I'm seeing is Sonny Vleisides after he puts in a hard day jetskiing in the Ozarks. Life sucks for that guy! Josh's rainbow poodle is probably also a happy camper. And Jody's chickens. And the staff of 35 at Camp BFL who receive a handsome weekly paycheck off the backs of monumental assholes.

Happy Camping!