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kiklo

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Quote from: Rent_a_Ray on November 17, 2014, 03:52:20 AM

I've figured out some wallets using xchat.
Do you really think such a chat is a good idea?

I mean I will do what the community wants - but messaging feels more serious to me.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Ray

My 2 zeit, as long as the chat is not part of the blockchain it avoids the other issues.
xchat looks like it would not be part of the blockchain.

Final concern would be, could it cause any security issues to be concerned about.
Can we be sure once the chat code is added the wallet can not be hacked thru the chat feature?

Cool

FYI:
Ray has already setup a very nice system on the zeit web site (https://forum.zeit-coin.net/) that can be used to communicate with each other but is hardly used. Personally I would rather see a link to the zeit forums on the zeit website in the wallet, than an extra chat, we are not even using the primary forums yet.
By doing it this way we can update the wallet & forum communications independently of each other and no extra issues to worry about.
Plus if bitcointalk goes down, we can immediately use the forums on the web site for vital communications.

Rent_a_Ray

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I've figured out some wallets using xchat.
Do you really think such a chat is a good idea?

I mean I will do what the community wants - but messaging feels more serious to me.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Ray

kiklo

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Quote from: atronite on November 17, 2014, 01:45:32 AM

If ONLY we could get that kind of publicity. lol. I'm not sure who they would target tho, outside the people who abuse the technology. I mean people send classified info and copyrighted stuff over email, but the email provider doesn't get targeted, you know? They are simply made to cooperate.

The only thing our coin really needs is a working zeit economy, some other features will be neat , but the coin already has the main essentials. Stabilizing the Market , Android Wallet and then getting the zeit economy thriving , is the coming challenges in 2015.

Cool

FYI:
Some Email providers have their servers seized.
http://www.wired.com/2012/04/fbi-seizes-server/
Imagine if they seized the servers from an exchange, the other exchanges would drop our coin immediately.
Any Anon Features will have to be done in a separate software like dark wallet not directly connected to our community.

2nd FYI:
They have probably hacked darkcoin protocol and can tell where it is going.
Like Tor was supposed to keep stuff hidden.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/11762/20140804/tor-target-of-hack-anonymity-seal-broken.htm

3rd FYI:
We Tech types enjoy cool features but the people of the world are not going to care about any of it until they can buy food , gas, & electricity with Zeitcoins. In 2015 , we start with food after the gaming is setup. Wink

atronite

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Quote from: kiklo on November 17, 2014, 01:31:53 AM

Quote from: groggin on November 17, 2014, 12:06:03 AM

ray - pls have a look at the sativacoin wallet

i can't find anything about it in the thread tho Huh

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-sativacoin-stv-x-13-pos-791266

It looks like they are embedding encrypted messages in the block chain.
There is a lot of Potential with the blockchains, will be worth more than the coins in the future.

A separate chat feature is cool , but encrypted messages in the block chain could cause some legal issues , none of us are ready to deal with , Yet.

Example : Someone sends classified or Copyrighted info in an encrypted message , key becomes public and Our coin just became the number 1 target for copyright Lawyers or the feds.

Recommend that type of messaging be held off for now, but normal chat outside of the blockchain would not have any of those issues.

Cool

If ONLY we could get that kind of publicity. lol. I'm not sure who they would target tho, outside the people who abuse the technology. I mean people send classified info and copyrighted stuff over email, but the email provider doesn't get targeted, you know? They are simply made to cooperate.

Also, they have yet to target darkcoin directly. Those are the ones to watch.

kiklo

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Quote from: groggin on November 17, 2014, 12:06:03 AM

ray - pls have a look at the sativacoin wallet

i can't find anything about it in the thread tho Huh

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-sativacoin-stv-x-13-pos-791266

It looks like they are embedding encrypted messages in the block chain.
There is a lot of Potential with the blockchains, will be worth more than the coins in the future.

A separate chat feature is cool , but encrypted messages in the block chain could cause some legal issues , none of us are ready to deal with.

Example : Someone sends classified or copyrighted info in an encrypted message , key becomes public and Our coin just became the number 1 target for copyright Lawyers or the feds. With that Judges can order exchanges to stop working with our coin.

Recommend that type of messaging not be added to the ZeitCoin Wallet , but normal chat rooms outside of the blockchain would not have any of those issues.

Cool

FYI:
Those anon features should be done in separate software , like dark wallet does for bitcoin.
We should never have the anon features in the Zeit Wallet.

atronite

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Quote from: groggin on November 17, 2014, 12:06:03 AM

ray - pls have a look at the sativacoin wallet

i can't find anything about it in the thread tho Huh

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-sativacoin-stv-x-13-pos-791266

This might be great if you want to send an individual message, or if you want a "mailing list" of addresses for those who wish to receive updates and news. A bulk mail option would be great. But we still need a centralized chat room in the wallet to help the community better. This would differentiate us a LOT from most of the coins out there and help with organizing things, promoting projects that are saving the world, etc.

groggin

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ray - pls have a look at the sativacoin wallet

i can't find anything about it in the thread tho Huh

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-sativacoin-stv-x-13-pos-791266

atronite

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Quote from: Rent_a_Ray on November 16, 2014, 05:00:26 PM

Quote from: atronite on November 16, 2014, 04:31:37 PM

Billioncoin, or mibbit? You can integrate mibbit IRC chat for free on any website you want.

mibbit is closed source.
Integrating for free is one thing. The license is another.

Cheers,
Ray

I guess you can take a look at chatcoin then. I think it's great, and it might be what you're looking for then.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annchatcoinnist5chat-in-walletno-preminep2p-private-chatno-vote-675803

Basically, in order to say something in chatcoin, you have to pay a nominal amount of the chatcoin per post.

Which gives me an idea. As a perk for being a knight, you get your wallet address encoded into the wallet chat code, so that whenever someone chats, 100 Zeit is given to a Zeit Knight's wallet from the chat user's wallet. Who gets the Zeit depends on the order of the post. So lets say we have 10 members on the Zeit Knights, every 10th chat posting, a ZeitKnight would get 100 Zeit. Since all you have to do is have 100m Zeit to be a member, it would provide incentive for enthusiastic community members to buy up Zeitcoins so they can be included as well.

Now obviously you don't HAVE to use the chat, but you would at least be able to monitor what's going on. Plus it gives you, the developer, a central platform to communicate important announcements like mandatory wallet updates and so forth. Also, I call it a perk because unless chatting on Zeitcoin wallet becomes popular, members won't be getting THAT much income from the Zeit chat.

uki

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Quote from: Rent_a_Ray on November 16, 2014, 04:12:04 PM

Quote from: atronite on November 16, 2014, 03:43:41 PM

Cool!!

I'd be curious to see in what sorts of things you plan to work on, if only because I want to get an idea of when you will be adding the built-in community chat feature into the wallet.

If you need a bribe, I'd be willing to throw in a 20m Zeit bounty for your time. ^^

Do you know any coin with a build in chat? We could use their source.

Cheers,
Ray

SHOPx coin had built-in chat in its latest release.
Another one that I know of, is Premine Plus (PMP): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-pmp-premineplus-launch-new-features-oct-signup-free-distribution-673760

Rent_a_Ray

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Quote from: atronite on November 16, 2014, 04:31:37 PM

Billioncoin, or mibbit? You can integrate mibbit IRC chat for free on any website you want.

mibbit is closed source.
Integrating for free is one thing. The license is another.

Cheers,
Ray

atronite

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It would seem that after doing some cursory research, the talkcoin community more or less disintegrated due to bad devs and so forth. There was a new group of Devs that tried to rescue the coin, but they were unsuccessful so they pulled out and created their own coin that forked off the talkcoin blockchain.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annchatcoinnist5chat-in-walletno-preminep2p-private-chatno-vote-675803

So, now they have "chatcoin". They've been quiet lately with development, but it looks like they at least have a wallet going now.

As such, we could integrate their protocol, but if we can just have a working chat room now, at least piggybacking off the mibbit system as a temporary measure, I think we can upstage them as a social coin just by virtue of having a community centric chat room.

atronite

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http://talkcoin.org/ also seems promising, although what we need is a central chat room that community members can talk in. I'm downloading it now but can't figure out how to use the advertised chat function yet.

While not a coin, https://crypto.cat/ is one I've also heard about that you can use in chrome.

Also, for anyone interested, I also created a thread for this bounty as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0

atronite

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Billioncoin, or mibbit? You can integrate mibbit IRC chat for free on any website you want.

Rent_a_Ray

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Seems not open. Looks like a company. We need an open source solution.

atronite

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Quote from: Rent_a_Ray on November 16, 2014, 04:12:04 PM

Quote from: atronite on November 16, 2014, 03:43:41 PM

Cool!!

I'd be curious to see in what sorts of things you plan to work on, if only because I want to get an idea of when you will be adding the built-in community chat feature into the wallet.

If you need a bribe, I'd be willing to throw in a 20m Zeit bounty for your time. ^^

Do you know any coin with a build in chat? We could use their source.

Cheers,
Ray

Billioncoin was mentioned a while back, but I was thinking more along the lines of using Mibbit as our source too. If you put the widget code into a website, it opens up a mini chat box where all you have to do is type in your desired username and then you're in the room.

https://widgetmanager.mibbit.com/

I use the widget on a guild page for a tiny game I used to play, and it was probably one of the best tools I ever used to build up my guild for certain events and so on.

Rent_a_Ray

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Quote from: atronite on November 16, 2014, 03:43:41 PM

Cool!!

I'd be curious to see in what sorts of things you plan to work on, if only because I want to get an idea of when you will be adding the built-in community chat feature into the wallet.

If you need a bribe, I'd be willing to throw in a 20m Zeit bounty for your time. ^^

Do you know any coin with a build in chat? We could use their source.

Cheers,
Ray

atronite

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Quote from: Rent_a_Ray on November 16, 2014, 09:01:40 AM

Currently testing Explorer feature for Wallet 2.0.1.4:

Cheers,
Ray

Edit: Wallet Explorer is working... Thank you Blocknet Client.

Cool!!

I'd be curious to see in what sorts of things you plan to work on next, if only because I want to get an idea of when you will be adding the built-in community chat feature into the wallet.

If you need a bribe, I'd be willing to throw in a 20m Zeit bounty for your time. ^^

On a separate topic, I'm disliking the consistently low volume and liquidity for the Zeit Market in general. Less than 300m zeit on the markets, and that's if you're willing to spend the 3 BTC to pump it to 100 litoshis. Now if we had 2-3 community members with only a few million zeit who wants to be a Zeit Knight...

So yea folks, you best start accumulating your zeits now while it's low cuz I think prices will be going north pretty soon, esp if you want in on the Zeit Knights.

uki

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Just updated the wallet to the newest version. Everything very smooth. Like the new look.
Loading time now slightly less than one minute!
Thanks ZEITnardo!

Rent_a_Ray

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Currently testing Explorer feature for Wallet 2.0.1.4:

Cheers,
Ray

Edit: Wallet Explorer is working... Thank you Blocknet Client.

Varvarin

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No good deed goes unpunished

Well done on the article and really good job on the wallet.

When Ray said .. "a small speed upgrade" I was thinking small .. this wallet is three times faster than old one, and thanks for the DB files, much nicer than waiting 2 days for new sync. Grin

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