Topic: ★ ZEIT ★ [COMMUNITY & KNIGHTS] [ULTRA LOW INFLATION] [MICRO-PAYMENTS] - page 375. (Read 1009360 times)

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We need buyers, not more places for dumpers to bail out.

Done, let's see what is their feedback

@steve: I agree that at this stage, it would be better to spent any free BTC resources on further development of the coin rather than getting on another exchange. However, in crypto world you have to somehow attract the attention to your coin, no matter how advanced it technically is. It doesn't need to be huge amount of ZEIT to collect among fellow ZEITers, just some. My stakes are supposed to mature on June 9th and I am willing to contribute part of minted money as a donation to put my money where my mouth is. We can try to raise some funds in order to help further promote the coin - we can discuss what is the most appropriate action.

Getting listed on Poloniex would be great. I have done some trading there and have participated in the chat box often, so I can speak for certain that they have their shit together there. I can tell you one thing for sure though, BTC talks there. If you want a coin listed there, be prepared to offer up some BTC in return. In my opinion, that BTC would better serve Zeit by buying up some of those ridiculous sell walls and get some market activity going instead of getting us listed on another exchange where the dumpers will dump.

Nice. Maybe you could get in touch on IRC with them.

I'll send them the mail. Let's see.

I've asked Poloniex on the mintpal startup, no response, but you could try again, without making another point. It's not a big thing. Don't forget, we are community driven...

11. Bringing ZEIT to other main stream exchanges, e.g., Poloniex.
Maybe there being listed in BTC we could push the price a bit higher?

I normally don't make a big 'thang' here about exactly what kind of stuff I get up to elsewhere, but under the circumstances I thought it might be worth sharing this.

It's a review of the forum which I commisioned a week or two back ...



Of course, the logo issue has already been rectified & the guest-view issue is next on the list.

I wish I could say with conviction that the move to the LTC market will get rid of all the dumpers, but we all know better than that. Dumpers will be dumpers.

And besides, MintPal, it seems, is going to make a killing off of the move. If you think about it, in my opinion, LTC is on its way out. I believe it is quickly losing its popularity due to the rise of DRK. It is very possible that LTC will soon lose its number 2 spot next to BTC. In fact, a quick check of crypto-prices.com shows that DRK has exceeded LTC in value by $1 (as of this writing). So with that in mind, it should be evident that people who still insist on dumping their Zeit will trade the LTC for BTC (or other coins). So MintPal stands to make a profit off of the original sell of Zeit for LTC, and then make a profit off of the sell of LTC to BTC (or other coins). Again, just my flawed logic at work here.

@CapSER2.0 -

No harm, no foul.

I'd rather you were "inside the tent pissing out" than "outside the tent pissing in" anyway so why don't you lay out your ideas  in the proper place - the forum?

Same for everyone else!

The very first thing the coin/community needs right now is people willing to 'do the graft' on its' behalf, rather than just hoping that someone else does it for you.

We have a wonderful opportunity here - to evolve from being a developer-run coin to becoming a true community coin.

We have the basic tools already - a rock-solid wallet & blockchain and a place to meet, discuss & decide.

All that is lacking is people willing to give, each according to their 'gifts', of themselves for the benefit of all.

Need motivation? Just watch the Zeitgeist movie again!

I wrote to Mintpal to ask what we have to do to return from LTC purgatory and got the response that we need to get back to equivalent of 3-4 satoshi to be re-evaluated.
So it is all in our hands!

We need to work closely with the TZM community, on their websites, in their films, and articles that will be publishing.

First of all I want to apologize for my harsh criticism of yesterday to Lion, I made this in hot and very upset by the news that shook us badly yesterday about of MintPal. Sorry!
I think, the first thing we have to do is unite us all more than ever to bring to ZEIT ahead! I not only want success of ZEIT, I also share the ideals expressed by Lion. Thank to Ray and Lion for all their efforts made​​. We need of you for the strategic plan for the rescue of ZEIT from hell.
Like I said, I have a strategic plan to rescue ZEIT, but I do not want to be leader of anything. We do not need leaders, we need good ideas and projects, and then perform them.
I want to put my plan into consideration of the hard core of this community, its most hard prominent members, for democratic approval! To form something of a deliberative Congress where we will decide the direction to follow from now on.
I estimate that my strategic plan has a 75% probability of success! I have great faith because they are given all the necessary conditions to apply it with favorable results. But I need the democratic approval of the hard core of this community to start working all together in the right direction.
The thorough details of my plan, I will expose once that we achieve to gather the hard core of this community, in a kind of virtual democratic deliberative Congress to unify positions and views.
In which is based my strattegic plan? As a preview of its foundations, I can list the following:

1. Unite and conform a hard core of this community, reaching a critical mass capable of being relevant and of great weight in the exchange markets.

2. Proceed in form coordinated, synchronized and systematic way, all at the same time and in the same direction, according to a strategic plan of ZEIT rescue, to follow. Because if we do each separately, individually and disorderly, there is not many chanses of success for out of this abyss. The top secret is to act all in form coordinated in the same direction!

3. My biggest strength is the knowledge that I have of the markets, and the behavior of investors in these (They are much guided by the analysis of the price-volume of coins, that is for the evolution that each coin had in the past). Based on this, I can almost guarantee that there are no real posibilities of that ZEIT leave the pit with a pump fall from heaven, any whales is going to risk much so, seeing the past performance price-volume of ZEIT.
The biggest problem which has ZEIT are those huge sell walls condemning longtime this coin, do not allowing let it grow freely, those walls asphyxiate it and could end up killing it, if persist for much longer. For worse, over time get fatter even more these walls of sell, for weariness of investors that previously trusted in the coin but slowly were losing that trust.
However, all these sell walls that condemns to ZEIT, have no reason to exist, because these walls are formed when investors expect take advantage of a savior bomb falling from the sky, and that's extremely unlikely!
Therefore, ZEIT need get rid of those sales walls with a strategic plan!

4. We need to get better use of the human and material resources that we have, we need to unite us and organize us to have more chanses of success. Always in a democratic environment where it is decided by the majority!

To start, we must conform the hard core of this community! People very compromised with this coin! That deserves to have voice and vote in decisions to follow...

I would add to the list:
9. raise some fund for giveways/contests to recruit new members to the ZEIT community. We need fresh blood that would bring fresh look and new ideas.
That is also related to de-listing at Mintpal - it is definitely a bad sign, but it may be an opportunity, if we start promoting the coin a bit louder than recently.

10. small upgrade to wallet - add total in the overview that sums up all three: balance, stake and unconfirmed to make the wallet even better than it is.
 

Well, seems like a lot has happened in the 26 hours I've spent miles away from any online device.

Many good points have been very well made by some wise & enlightened people.


For sure, there is much to discuss, much to be done, that I'd hoped for a somewhat longer & less turbulent period of grace to be brought to a mutually agreeable conclusion.

The 'harsh realities' of such a short-sighted, capitalistic & lawless cyberville as this one have denied us that possibility so we are all forced to confront a new reality.

Right now, I cannot 'speak for the coin'  - I do not feel that I have 'The Authority' to do that.

All I can do is speak as an ordinary human being who has found themselves in a position I neither expected nor sought.

I ended up here mostly because I happen to have the time to do it. 30 months ago I was 'thrown on the scrapheap' at the peak of the recession. Financially I've been slowly bleeding to death ever since. Mentally, the internet keeps me learning, keeps me thinking, keeps me sane - well 'ish' anyway

So when "Mr ZeitCoin" started what we believed at the time was a totally understandable & unquestionable absence, I had no problem in stepping up to the plate & giving of myself for the benefit of a coin which was standing up for some principles which I hold very dear. I felt it to be a minor role, just picking up a bit of the P.R. slack that he would be dealing with himself on his return. Stuff suited to my experience & personality.

As time has gone on, I've found myself in a somewhat more prominent role than I'm really comfortable with. I've dealt with it as best I can, balancing my time between: Mining & trading enough coin to help with the little indulgences that make life worth living; promoting the joys of the cryptosphere to places far, far away from BTC; and trying to represent the cheery, confident face of ZeitCom here & on the forum.

The hard, inescapable fact is that the person we think of as "The Dev"  - although I think it's common knowledge now that he did not, in fact, develop the coin but paid someone to do it for him - has given up on this coin. He will not be returning. We are leaderless.

The "Keys of the Kingdom" are safe. The coin & its' wallet etc are "fit for purpose". PoS works correctly.

Yet we now find ourselves in times of challenge, in self-doubt. Even perhaps a 'whiff of mutiny'.

I DO have a dream for the future of the coin, the community. But it's not an official dream, not an agreed dream. It's not even a technical dream! It's not represented by a Mission Statement or a recognised organisation or movement. If I thought there were enough people for whom that dream was something they could adopt & work toward - Especially those few have 'done all the hard graft' behind the scenes since mid-March - then I would offer that dream to you all.

My greatest fear is that the voices of those who would sacrifice the 'soul' of this coin in order to turn a financial gain in the short term will drown out the voices of those good souls who are here because they too are willing to give of themselves not JUST for a real-world reward in the longer term but also because they recognise & wish to support the 'cause' of freeing humanity from the slavery of rampant global capitalism & the fascism of the fractional reserve private banking system.

I'll work with or for anyone who still cares about the 'soul' of why this coin exists. And vice versa.

Simples!

Let's collect some ideas for the near future:

1. Wallet with chatbox
2. Wallet with update alert
3. 4 weeks / year - Summer POW event
4. Zeitbay (in progress, awesome, thank you guys)
5. Buttons, stickers, T-Shirts, real coins etc...
6. Website upgrade - What makes zeit special, what is zeit and why it is green
7. Zeitcoin slogan/quote/news of the month (wallet)
8. Zeitcoin Zoodle-Logo in the wallet. (changes every month)

further ideas?

I mean http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

TZM zeitcoin support I prefer this to understand
 

The original basis of Zeitcoin was that we support TZM ideals. I can't say for certain, but I'm sure that Zeit, just like most other coins, was very heavy on the amount of people who were more interested in trying to make a profit moreso than being interested in the meaning behind the coin. There are some of us still here that do still support TZM though. And some have even made contact with their local TZM chapters to try and raise awareness about Zeitcoin. But there is still a lot of work that needs to be done in that area.

Is there any relationship with TZM, do they support us some how?
Or zeitcoin supports TZM?