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Quote from: yazher on October 18, 2022, 05:40:31 AM

Kemba Walker is waived by the Detroit Pistons today?

This is really shocking because the used to be playing like a star in his early career as an NBA player but injuries got him good. It seems like the league really wanted to spend on healthy players nowadays instead to gamble on unstable players that might gonna cost them millions of dollars in mistake if they are not careful. Do you guys think that despite his size, he can still be a role player for some teams in the league?

I don't know his situation at the moment, but he was a superstar for me.
I couldn't understand Detroit's waived of Kemba Walker. I hope Kemba Walker goes to a good team and gets back to his old performance.

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Kemba Walker is waived by the Detroit Pistons today?

This is really shocking because the used to be playing like a star in his early career as an NBA player but injuries got him good. It seems like the league really wanted to spend on healthy players nowadays instead to gamble on unstable players that might gonna cost them millions of dollars in mistake if they are not careful. Do you guys think that despite his size, he can still be a role player for some teams in the league?

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 18, 2022, 04:36:44 AM

Very well said, at the moment, Poole is more valuable than Draymond Green because he can produce points for the team, and the fact that he is still young, that means he will continue to develop his talent until he becomes a legit superstar. People were saying that Poole looks like the young Steph Curry, so if he will live to that expectation, what we are seeing on Poole is that he will become a hall of famer someday.

Its undeniable that Poole has a bright future since looking at what he can produce to Warriors is really promising points and for sure he is superstar caliber but for discussing to be a hall of famer? Maybe he need to get MVP first or surpass many records before that to happen.

But also Green is huge lose for Warriors if he officially let him go so most provably they might struggle on defensive and on screening which is important to let their shooters create their shoots. Maybe we can see a different Warriors if Green is out on the rooster.

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Quote from: Distinctin on October 18, 2022, 04:02:36 AM

Quote from: jossiel on October 18, 2022, 03:48:30 AM

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

He can be traded but there's no way he will get a higher contract in a new team. The contract would still stands and he will only be paid on what is in the contract, if the new team will give him increase, that's not part of the contract, it's another one.

Like a team that will buyout his contract? That's possible, right?

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Quote from: jossiel on October 18, 2022, 03:48:30 AM

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

Jordan Poole has 1 more year in his old contract with GSW.
What happened was a contract extension already waiting to be signed, or it was signed already.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jordan-poole-31587/
It's a big one. So obviously they won't be extending Draymond Green's extension because that will be a huge luxury tax if they do so.

About the trade, I think they put more value on Jordan Poole so they can trade him if they want for an equal value with other teams.
That means they can get a better player/s in exchange for just one.

All right, thanks.

So, they're betting on Poole as he's got more potential to be at his peak and prime rather than Green since he's likely past his prime. I got it and well, this how the trading business goes for these teams.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 18, 2022, 03:48:30 AM

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

Jordan Poole has 1 more year in his old contract with GSW.
What happened was a contract extension already waiting to be signed, or it was signed already.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jordan-poole-31587/
It's a big one. So obviously they won't be extending Draymond Green's extension because that will be a huge luxury tax if they do so.

About the trade, I think they put more value on Jordan Poole so they can trade him if they want for an equal value with other teams.
That means they can get a better player/s in exchange for just one.

Very well said, at the moment, Poole is more valuable than Draymond Green because he can produce points for the team, and the fact that he is still young, that means he will continue to develop his talent until he becomes a legit superstar. People were saying that Poole looks like the young Steph Curry, so if he will live to that expectation, what we are seeing on Poole is that he will become a hall of famer someday.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 18, 2022, 03:48:30 AM

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

Jordan Poole has 1 more year in his old contract with GSW.
What happened was a contract extension already waiting to be signed, or it was signed already.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jordan-poole-31587/
It's a big one. So obviously they won't be extending Draymond Green's extension because that will be a huge luxury tax if they do so.

About the trade, I think they put more value on Jordan Poole so they can trade him if they want for an equal value with other teams.
That means they can get a better player/s in exchange for just one.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 18, 2022, 03:48:30 AM

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

He can be traded but there's no way he will get a higher contract in a new team. The contract would still stands and he will only be paid on what is in the contract, if the new team will give him increase, that's not part of the contract, it's another one.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 18, 2022, 03:27:12 AM

With how GSW handles the case of Poole and Wiggins, it indicates that there's a possibility that they are willing to pay more for taxes.

As long as it's on their choice of keeping both of them with the option to pay for more taxes and it's affordable to them, they'll pick that option.

Quote from: Pamadar on October 18, 2022, 03:27:12 AM

Only a matter of the outcome of this new season chase. If all goes well for the business, then expect that they will negotiate and give
something that will make these two stars to continue playing and stay.

Isn't it that Poole has already signed a contract for them with a 4-year deal? Or it's possible that they may trade him with a higher contract from other teams if some teams want him?

Is that how things work for these contracts and there's an option for the management to do that type of deal?

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 18, 2022, 02:11:49 AM

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I don't know if Green and Klay's contract will be extended, and it must've been hard for GM Bob Myers to make a decision knowing that both of them are a huge part of the past dynasty that gave them 3 titles. Let's just hope that they will be given at least 1–2-year contract maybe.

These two are the star players of the team, there's no way they won't be extended, probably they'll not get a max salary but the management will surely consider them still playing with the team. Actually, it's not only about the talent, it's about the chemistry of the team and it has been Klay, Curry, and Draymond Green who made this team a championship team.

All will depend on the contract expired. What I'm saying is this upcoming season will be the determining factor for both Green and Thompson to continue playing or to look for other options.

With how GSW handles the case of Poole and Wiggins, it indicates that there's a possibility that they are willing to pay more for taxes.

Only a matter of the outcome of this new season chase. If all goes well for the business, then expect that they will negotiate and give
something that will make these two stars to continue playing and stay.

For now, it's better to watch them perform and give the fans the entertainment that they expect from them.

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I understand the moves of the Warriors but I can't comprehend the luxury tax situation. Are we to expect that they will really pay almost half billion for taxes? Do Nba franchises really making that much money when they become champions?

As far as I know, the Warriors will probably spend over $500 million in the 23/24 season, including $268 million in taxes. That's really a lot, but I think the Warriors have enough revenue sources to cover such huge expenses. Obviously, tickets aren't the only source of revenue for this team. I'm more than sure the Warriors also make a lot of money from TV, merchandising, advertising, and various partnerships.

Well, the management is in a tight spot in almost every year because they are put in a situation where they have choose whom to trade or who will be given light contracts despite the player's effort for the team to maximize their revenues and lessen the taxes they have to pay annually.

Currently, the Golden State Warriors is ranked #2 as the most valuable team next to New York Knicks in the league right now and surely there is a reason for that ranks. I think pricey tickets is their biggest source of income and there's these merchandise and advertising.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 15, 2022, 04:25:52 PM

Looks like Jordan Poole got his bag. 140 million dollar contract extension. I wonder if this would have played out differently without the Green incident. This pretty much seals Green’s fate with the Warriors. They can’t afford to pay him what he’ll want without paying half a billion dollars in luxury taxes. Now we wait and see if Draymond gets traded, opts into his player option for next year, or is involved in a sign and trade.

Wow, huge contract for a young Jordan Poole, but honestly he deserves that because he already played like a superstar, people are calling him the next Steph Curry so it's no surprised that the Warriors would invest in him. With regards to Draymond Green, I think there's a good chance that he'll be traded because no chance now that he will get a max contract.

Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins, both of them have good contracts from the Warriors both $140++ contract extension. That is huge for this two young players and for sure they will be the next generation.

As for Green, he already sign his contract when he sucker punch Poole, Lol. And for sure he won't get that max contract and could leave next seasons if he opt to.

Yeah, he might be traded because the Warriors' management choose to give Poole a good contract than giving Green a max contract.

4 years contract, that's $35 million per year, higher than Draymond Green which only making $25 million this season.
I wonder how he is feeling now, a young player getting bigger salary than him, and how about Andrew Wiggins contract extension, what would be the effect?

For sure Green has heard about it and could be working for his own contract extension, a max if he can. But then again in the recent days we have seen what he had done not just to Jordan Poole but to the rest of the guys in the team. He might be feeling shit right now after hearing both Poole and Wiggins have sign for a huge contract. So we might as well see Green in other teams. We've seen others speculated that he will play with Lebron at Lakers but we will see.

That is for sure, there's no way he couldn't hear about it. Even rumors are half true these days mainly about his situation. Personally, I don't even think that they'll give Green a max extension because that doesn't benefit the team anymore as they are prioritizing the younger ones who could be the next generation for the franchise. As for Green, he won't have a hard time going in any team in the league but the contract he'll get is not that high either.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 17, 2022, 09:19:42 PM

I don't know if Green and Klay's contract will be extended, and it must've been hard for GM Bob Myers to make a decision knowing that both of them are a huge part of the past dynasty that gave them 3 titles. Let's just hope that they will be given at least 1–2-year contract maybe.

These two are the star players of the team, there's no way they won't be extended, probably they'll not get a max salary but the management will surely consider them still playing with the team. Actually, it's not only about the talent, it's about the chemistry of the team and it has been Klay, Curry, and Draymond Green who made this team a championship team.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 17, 2022, 04:42:51 AM

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So both Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole got 4-year deals in their new contracts. But Wiggins got only $109 million in his deal while Poole secured a $140 million contract. Wiggins though admitted that he is very happy at GSW so he was willing to take the pay cut in order to keep the team's core roster. Pretty sure Wiggins could've secured a more expensive contract than Poole following his solid performance last season. I'm just glad that he finally finds peace and happiness at GSW. He was once dubbed a failure after being drafted at pick 1. Jordan Poole on the other hand is now feeling better and is all in for the team this coming season. I wonder what's on Green's mind now? Green should be lucky enough to get a Wiggins-type deal because his numbers are decreasing and he is also becoming older to deserve long contracts.

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

Now that the young players Poole and Wiggins' contracts are now extended, both Green and Klay are in the hot seat right now.
They still have a guaranteed one-year deal, but will the Warriors management try to extend it? That's a big question.

Let's forget the Poole-Green incident because they are in good terms already. Poole's contract is higher than Wiggins but nevertheless, seeing both of them having a 4-year contract with the GSW is already a good thing or maybe age does a big factor in this one.

I don't know if Green and Klay's contract will be extended, and it must've been hard for GM Bob Myers to make a decision knowing that both of them are a huge part of the past dynasty that gave them 3 titles. Let's just hope that they will be given at least 1–2-year contract maybe.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 17, 2022, 03:53:51 PM

... Someone give me a bold prediction for this year. Could be nba champ, mvp winning, scoring title, etc.

Here's mine:

RJ Barrett averages 25 points a game leading the Knicks to a spot in the eastern conference finals eventually losing to the Bucks. There.

Bold prediction indeed hehe.

I'll go for Zion and the Pelicans dominating the Nuggets in the semis and tgen the Warriors in the West Finals. Teams could be in reverse order but NOP will win just the same.

It would be nice to see both Ja and Zion duke it out in this season's playoffs.

That is quite a bold prediction or maybe wishful thinking. I have yet to see Zion play a full season so I am not making any prediction that they will beat any of these two strong teams. Let's say that this year, zion will be perfectly healthy and will be able to play in the playoffs, I do not think they can easily get past these two teams. Compared to a very young and inexperienced Pelicans, these two teams are already seasoned in the playoffs. Especially GSW, which already went through multiple NBA Finals. Unless these two teams suffered injuries from their core players, the young Pelicans will not beat them.

I like though that JA and Zion face each other in the playoffs.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 17, 2022, 06:14:43 PM

[...] as per report this is what he said that's why Green was so mad at him, is that Draymond is a single triple.

I have not read this report. The warriors did not release any reason why the altercation and they are mum about it. Or did I miss this one?

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 17, 2022, 02:04:17 AM

We are underestimating him too much, Green is a star player for a reason, of course, he will still be effective in other teams because of the coaching staff will make sure that once they acquire him they have a system that will fit for him, imagine giving him a max salary and not using him effectively, that's insane.

That's not underestimating but a valid analysis.

Green is more effective clearly when he's with the Splash Brothers. He already used giving these 2 a clear shot. I'm also with others that he might struggle on other teams, especially since his trade will happen at this point of his career where we can assume he's not already in his prime.

Understanding the team's system is easy but it's not that simple to execute for some players especially Green that whose entire career is playing for the Warriors.

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I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.

Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.

Draymond was just an ordinary NBA Player if he didn't won a championship. Because he played with the best team in the NBA that's why he became popular, and in fairness to him although he does not have an exceptional talent, but the team really struggle if Draymond Green is not around, especially in big games.

It's probably they miss Green leadership or his contribution like their best defensive man and then setting up their two scorer, in Steph and Klay and now they have 3 in Poole.

But as I have said, his game is going down and I would agree with Poole, as per report this is what he said that's why Green was so mad at him, is that Draymond is a single triple. So that says a lot about the numbers he put in last season. And if that numbers goes down again this season, then maybe the Warriors will not sign him up for a good contract.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 17, 2022, 03:53:51 PM

... Someone give me a bold prediction for this year. Could be nba champ, mvp winning, scoring title, etc.

Here's mine:

RJ Barrett averages 25 points a game leading the Knicks to a spot in the eastern conference finals eventually losing to the Bucks. There.

Bold prediction indeed hehe.

I'll go for Zion and the Pelicans dominating the Nuggets in the semis and tgen the Warriors in the West Finals. Teams could be in reverse order but NOP will win just the same.

It would be nice to see both Ja and Zion duke it out in this season's playoffs.

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Quote from: DanWalker on October 17, 2022, 12:12:19 PM

I agree with you. As he has reached the end of his prime, asking for such a huge contract was not the right option for him in my opinion. Maybe he could have asked for a bit less. This is because he should know that he won't be able to deliver the same quality of games as he used to even a few years back. Yes, I have to say that he is quite lucky that his contract is even being considered. I feel that he may have a hard time saying goodbye to GSW because he has served them for quite a long time and also hope that he will let his contract with GSW expire, by this he will get a well-deserved farewell.

And he's might not able to ask that again since he's already pass his prime.

He's still lucky that he's got a good contract and for sure that he's going to stay with the winning team that he's been with and would still like to have that championship for this season.

Didn't he said that he wants to get into the Lakers? That's what I can remember from some news that I've seen.

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Anyone else getting excited for the regular season! October is the best month, baseball playoffs, football going strong and nba starting up not to mention the college sports.

Someone give me a bold prediction for this year. Could be nba champ, mvp winning, scoring title, etc.

Here's mine:

RJ Barrett averages 25 points a game leading the Knicks to a spot in the eastern conference finals eventually losing to the Bucks. There.

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I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.
We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.

Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.

Draymond was just an ordinary NBA Player if he didn't won a championship. Because he played with the best team in the NBA that's why he became popular, and in fairness to him although he does not have an exceptional talent, but the team really struggle if Draymond Green is not around, especially in big games.

If we set the standard very high, it will not be possible for Green alone to accomplish a great deal. If we are talking about Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, those are the absolute elite in the game. That is a reason why they were still performing even at a very old age. There is no way we can compare Green to those players, since in my opinion, he is simply not the same level of player as those players. It's safe to say he is above average in his field. However, there is a big difference between being above average and being one of the best.

At this stage, I also think it is quite a big mistake to give Green a big contract at this point in time. Truth be told, I think he's not worth the money he's asking for.

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