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October 17, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
If only Draymond Green expressed his concern over his desire for the max contract prior to signing a 4-year $100 million in 2020-21, maybe things today might have changed. Asking for such kind of huge contract at this point in his career is really a no-brainer to grant. Now entering his post-prime period, he is even lucky that his current contract is still considered one of the good contracts out there providing his stats is not that appealing anymore. Being a team advisor, especially to young cores is not a factor.

I'm sure Draymond Green won't exercise his player option next year and will finish his contract with the Warriors until becoming a UFA. I'm also speculating that we won't see any trades involving him in the off-season next year.

I agree with you. As he has reached the end of his prime, asking for such a huge contract was not the right option for him in my opinion. Maybe he could have asked for a bit less. This is because he should know that he won't be able to deliver the same quality of games as he used to even a few years back. Yes, I have to say that he is quite lucky that his contract is even being considered. I feel that he may have a hard time saying goodbye to GSW because he has served them for quite a long time and also hope that he will let his contract with GSW expire, by this he will get a well-deserved farewell.
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October 17, 2022, 11:34:02 AM

I wonder where would Green go after GSW. He is not actually a player that could produce by himself. He needs a good system that can exploit his talents and he needs teammates that compliment his playstyle in order to be effective.

Sad but true, for me, I think he spent his whole career inside the Golden State Warriors for 10 years since 2012, and since he was only 22 years old, and I think he build up his playstyle just to fit in the need of the Golden State Warriors main man Stephen Curry, back then the two was a duo that is truly inseparable and he is a great defending machine although this potentially decreases his offensive stat, because he is not be forcing any big play in offense but mostly on defense, Then that is it for him, I am also curious on what team he can benefit or what team will be a benefit for him but I really go 1 team, for me, Boston Celtics is the only team I see,

So both Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole got 4-year deals in their new contracts. But Wiggins got only $109 million in his deal while Poole secured a $140 million contract. Wiggins though admitted that he is very happy at GSW so he was willing to take the pay cut in order to keep the team's core roster. Pretty sure Wiggins could've secured a more expensive contract than Poole following his solid performance last season. I'm just glad that he finally finds peace and happiness at GSW. He was once dubbed a failure after being drafted at pick 1. Jordan Poole on the other hand is now feeling better and is all in for the team this coming season. I wonder what's on Green's mind now? Green should be lucky enough to get a Wiggins-type deal because his numbers are decreasing and he is also becoming older to deserve long contracts.

Andrew Wiggins can sure demand more but in insight, this is also a good contract for him, and right now the Golden State Warriors core is in for a good season, I really wish there will be no injuries this time, and now that James Wiseman is on the team it will be a more different Warriors compared with the last season, while Green is in the midst of getting the trust back to him he will need to have property show the management that he still a viable asset for the team, but right now it is getting slimmer for Draymond Green, next year will be another headache for the Golden State Warriors on the Salary of most of their players,
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We are underestimating him too much, Green is a star player for a reason, of course, he will still be effective in other teams because of the coaching staff will make sure that once they acquire him they have a system that will fit for him, imagine giving him a max salary and not using him effectively, that's insane.

I do not know if other teams will offer him with a max contract though. In a year or two, he will be on the decline. Offering him max is just overestimating his value. I think he will receive decent offers but a max, I doubt it.

Not really underestimating him, it's his playstyle that will be difficult to insert into one team.
Then you have to consider this one as well when calculating his value in other teams. He is lucky he has Steph and Klay in the team, and Kerr as his coach because he fits too much in their system.


And like what you said, Zion also has outside shots that he can take if he has a good look. Regular season is
approaching, we will see good improvements from NOP with Zion playing.
Zion with an improved Brandon Ingram who carried the team last year and then CJ McCollum, it's actually a scary team.  Cheesy

... until you see him twitch his ankle again. Hopefully not too much this year.
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October 17, 2022, 09:20:38 AM

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.

Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.

Draymond was just an ordinary NBA Player if he didn't won a championship. Because he played with the best team in the NBA that's why he became popular, and in fairness to him although he does not have an exceptional talent, but the team really struggle if Draymond Green is not around, especially in big games.

The timing was right for Draymond, when he play for GSW the splash bro and Iggy was really performing well,
plus those big that help them to win the title.

Maybe his presence really helps them in winning the game and giving GSW 4 rings, but classifying as an elite star I don't see him
close to those mentioned names above, just like what you said, he's just an ordinary player who understands the game well
and playing with the right sets of players who are working together.
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October 17, 2022, 09:11:06 AM
We are underestimating him too much, Green is a star player for a reason, of course, he will still be effective in other teams because of the coaching staff will make sure that once they acquire him they have a system that will fit for him, imagine giving him a max salary and not using him effectively, that's insane.
Not really underestimating him, it's his playstyle that will be difficult to insert into one team.
I know he is good, especially on the defensive end but it's the offense that he lacks. He is used to feeding offensive players like the splash brothers and it will not be easy for a new team how they can maximize that type of skills if they don't have the same type of roster and coaching style.
All of that should be considered first before bringing him in and how much they can offer for his contract.

And like what you said, Zion also has outside shots that he can take if he has a good look. Regular season is
approaching, we will see good improvements from NOP with Zion playing.
Zion with an improved Brandon Ingram who carried the team last year and then CJ McCollum, it's actually a scary team.  Cheesy
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October 17, 2022, 07:31:13 AM
Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.
Age is one big barrier in NBA and have denied some players enough time to play games because they won't be as active as they were. Draymond green still have time to play game but we all know he's aging and we don't expect good performance from him as before. He still delivered and has a solid defend but interms of running and doing the ups and downs, we would expect low from him. Warriors will extend contract with him but not to his satisfaction due to age and he would earned respect in the team.

Age is the biggest factor but if you are exceptional, you can still earn big minutes, just like Lebron James, despite being old already, he is still the one leading his team, so Draymond can still play his usual, being smart in the court and able to help his team to win. I understand Draymond, he wants a big contract because he wants to prepare for his future now that he is already married.
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October 17, 2022, 07:08:27 AM
Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.
Age is one big barrier in NBA and have denied some players enough time to play games because they won't be as active as they were. Draymond green still have time to play game but we all know he's aging and we don't expect good performance from him as before. He still delivered and has a solid defend but interms of running and doing the ups and downs, we would expect low from him. Warriors will extend contract with him but not to his satisfaction due to age and he would earned respect in the team.
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October 17, 2022, 07:03:00 AM

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.

Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.

Draymond was just an ordinary NBA Player if he didn't won a championship. Because he played with the best team in the NBA that's why he became popular, and in fairness to him although he does not have an exceptional talent, but the team really struggle if Draymond Green is not around, especially in big games.
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October 17, 2022, 05:52:19 AM

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.

Those are good elite players, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron to name a few. However, in Draymond Green's career, I wouldn't call him elite, yes he is a good defensive player and a team leader. But as you age, and in his case, his skills are going down very fast and if I'm not mistaken, his numbers is the worst in his career if not one of the worst last season. So it's very important for the Warriors to really think about him whether to let him go or offer him but not a contract that he wants.
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October 17, 2022, 05:45:54 AM

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.

NBA has quite learned a lot in the past years when they saw those star players when getting old does not really play like how they were in their mid-20s and its a waste of money if they gonna extend them furthermore with hundreds of millions when they cannot really play the same or bring the team to the Finals. Some players are only good in the early years of their careers and only a few like LBJ can maintain their productivity on the court the rest are just backup players when they get old like Green and they only need fewer payments when they're not in their prime anymore.
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October 17, 2022, 04:42:51 AM
So both Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole got 4-year deals in their new contracts. But Wiggins got only $109 million in his deal while Poole secured a $140 million contract. Wiggins though admitted that he is very happy at GSW so he was willing to take the pay cut in order to keep the team's core roster. Pretty sure Wiggins could've secured a more expensive contract than Poole following his solid performance last season. I'm just glad that he finally finds peace and happiness at GSW. He was once dubbed a failure after being drafted at pick 1. Jordan Poole on the other hand is now feeling better and is all in for the team this coming season. I wonder what's on Green's mind now? Green should be lucky enough to get a Wiggins-type deal because his numbers are decreasing and he is also becoming older to deserve long contracts.

I guess if we look at NBA's history in recent years, team owners would rather invest on young players. Just like in the case of Poole and Wiggins, they see the this 2 might be their future superstar and that it could bring them more championship, so it's a no brainer to offer them good contracts.

We can't read Green's mind but for sure, he either appreciate and very happy for the 2 or he just wish that the Warriors are going to offer him a good contract as well, so will see.
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October 17, 2022, 04:28:09 AM
So both Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole got 4-year deals in their new contracts. But Wiggins got only $109 million in his deal while Poole secured a $140 million contract. Wiggins though admitted that he is very happy at GSW so he was willing to take the pay cut in order to keep the team's core roster. Pretty sure Wiggins could've secured a more expensive contract than Poole following his solid performance last season. I'm just glad that he finally finds peace and happiness at GSW. He was once dubbed a failure after being drafted at pick 1. Jordan Poole on the other hand is now feeling better and is all in for the team this coming season. I wonder what's on Green's mind now? Green should be lucky enough to get a Wiggins-type deal because his numbers are decreasing and he is also becoming older to deserve long contracts.
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October 17, 2022, 02:04:17 AM
I'm sure Draymond Green won't exercise his player option next year and will finish his contract with the Warriors until becoming a UFA. I'm also speculating that we won't see any trades involving him in the off-season next year.

I wonder where would Green go after GSW. He is not actually a player that could produce by himself. He needs a good system that can exploit his talents and he needs teammates that compliment his playstyle in order to be effective.
Makes me wonder too.
I always like comparing this era's players to old ones but I cannot find one that would best suit the comparison for him.
Not even Dennis Rodman.
It will be a difficult task for other teams to insert him in their rotation as his play style is mostly about giving a shooter space which is Klay and Steph.
What else can he do after that because it will be predictable in the long run?

We are underestimating him too much, Green is a star player for a reason, of course, he will still be effective in other teams because of the coaching staff will make sure that once they acquire him they have a system that will fit for him, imagine giving him a max salary and not using him effectively, that's insane.
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October 16, 2022, 11:32:43 PM
Zion's ability to dominate inside is very big especially now that Ingram is very confident already with his shooting and attacking the paint.

If he keeps being healthy, we might see again another player in today's basketball that is dominating the paint. Even though he can shoot 3s, his main offense is coming from the inside. Not just in offense but he is also a good defender under the rim. His presence inside is enough for that specific player not to attempt to attack the rim.

About Brandom Ingram, he's been always acting as the main guy since his Lakers day but sorry to say that he really doesn't have the ability to be the main guy or at least carry a team. He is sometimes on and off too with his performance.

I can't say if he will be as dominating inside or in the paint because there are also a lot of good defenders inside. But the thing with Zion is that he can play outside as well I believed. He can be a threat in 3 point as he can shoot it.

And then he had help with CJ and Ingram. Another option is that he can play post and then pass the ball outside.

I will like to see Zion developed to be a great and elite player, not just known to be power and giving us highlight dunks.




If Zion adjusts with his advantages, I'm sure we will see more interesting game from NOP.

They have him inside and he can post up and create a double to find an opening for his teammates, he just need to
look for that play first before forcing his shots inside.

And like what you said, Zion also has outside shots that he can take if he has a good look. Regular season is
approaching, we will see good improvements from NOP with Zion playing.
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October 16, 2022, 10:03:43 PM
I'm sure Draymond Green won't exercise his player option next year and will finish his contract with the Warriors until becoming a UFA. I'm also speculating that we won't see any trades involving him in the off-season next year.

I wonder where would Green go after GSW. He is not actually a player that could produce by himself. He needs a good system that can exploit his talents and he needs teammates that compliment his playstyle in order to be effective.
Makes me wonder too.
I always like comparing this era's players to old ones but I cannot find one that would best suit the comparison for him.
Not even Dennis Rodman.
It will be a difficult task for other teams to insert him in their rotation as his play style is mostly about giving a shooter space which is Klay and Steph.
What else can he do after that because it will be predictable in the long run?
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October 16, 2022, 08:57:03 PM
Zion's ability to dominate inside is very big especially now that Ingram is very confident already with his shooting and attacking the paint.

If he keeps being healthy, we might see again another player in today's basketball that is dominating the paint. Even though he can shoot 3s, his main offense is coming from the inside. Not just in offense but he is also a good defender under the rim. His presence inside is enough for that specific player not to attempt to attack the rim.

About Brandom Ingram, he's been always acting as the main guy since his Lakers day but sorry to say that he really doesn't have the ability to be the main guy or at least carry a team. He is sometimes on and off too with his performance.

I can't say if he will be as dominating inside or in the paint because there are also a lot of good defenders inside. But the thing with Zion is that he can play outside as well I believed. He can be a threat in 3 point as he can shoot it.

And then he had help with CJ and Ingram. Another option is that he can play post and then pass the ball outside.

I will like to see Zion developed to be a great and elite player, not just known to be power and giving us highlight dunks.


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October 16, 2022, 07:52:40 PM
Zion's ability to dominate inside is very big especially now that Ingram is very confident already with his shooting and attacking the paint.

If he keeps being healthy, we might see again another player in today's basketball that is dominating the paint. Even though he can shoot 3s, his main offense is coming from the inside. Not just in offense but he is also a good defender under the rim. His presence inside is enough for that specific player not to attempt to attack the rim.

About Brandom Ingram, he's been always acting as the main guy since his Lakers day but sorry to say that he really doesn't have the ability to be the main guy or at least carry a team. He is sometimes on and off too with his performance.

With CJ playing with them I think the three stars need to have good chemistries, they are more competitive now as a
team considering both Jonas and Willy a current MVP from last FIBA Europe will jibe with them.

Zion can play as a power forward while both CJ and Brandom will take care mostly outside,
the two towers can bring them more chances of offensive rebounds, though it will be going to
depend on how the coaches will take care of the players rotations and how they will design the play.
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October 16, 2022, 06:48:51 PM
Zion's ability to dominate inside is very big especially now that Ingram is very confident already with his shooting and attacking the paint.

If he keeps being healthy, we might see again another player in today's basketball that is dominating the paint. Even though he can shoot 3s, his main offense is coming from the inside. Not just in offense but he is also a good defender under the rim. His presence inside is enough for that specific player not to attempt to attack the rim.

About Brandom Ingram, he's been always acting as the main guy since his Lakers day but sorry to say that he really doesn't have the ability to be the main guy or at least carry a team. He is sometimes on and off too with his performance.
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October 16, 2022, 06:33:33 PM
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Or they are planning to trade a lot and some kind of rebuilding?  The Warriors people must be considering Curry's age factor and plan these moves accordingly, of course. I'm rather curious about where will GSW be in 5 years, 10 years. Of course it is very very hard to predict but I mean what kind of team they are thinking to build.
Some franchise broke their team to avoid high luxury taxes in the past but I doubt this is what the Warriors is planning. They will let go of other players for sure but their future line up is quite secured with Wiggins and Poole in my opinion. They will do just fine post Steph and Klay era.

Fortunately for GSW, they are raking in money right now because of Steph Curry. Fans are willing to pay high priced tickets just to watch them play. GSW will make more money than the luxury tax they are paying. It is still good business for them as long as they keep winning.

They do not have to break the team, but they do have to let go of some good players in order to make space for their young cores. Earlier, they let go of Gary Payton II even though he was really good last season, especially in defense. It still worked out for Payton though because he still got a good contract with Blazers. I just hope they made the right decision choosing Poole and Wiggins to anchor their future.

I'm sure Draymond Green won't exercise his player option next year and will finish his contract with the Warriors until becoming a UFA. I'm also speculating that we won't see any trades involving him in the off-season next year.

I wonder where would Green go after GSW. He is not actually a player that could produce by himself. He needs a good system that can exploit his talents and he needs teammates that compliment his playstyle in order to be effective.
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Or they are planning to trade a lot and some kind of rebuilding?  The Warriors people must be considering Curry's age factor and plan these moves accordingly, of course. I'm rather curious about where will GSW be in 5 years, 10 years. Of course it is very very hard to predict but I mean what kind of team they are thinking to build.
Some franchise broke their team to avoid high luxury taxes in the past but I doubt this is what the Warriors is planning. They will let go of other players for sure but their future line up is quite secured with Wiggins and Poole in my opinion. They will do just fine post Steph and Klay era.
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