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Quote from: Golftech on May 15, 2020, 06:10:35 AM

They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

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Quote from: Questat on May 15, 2020, 05:19:31 AM

I am surprise that LBJ got a better percent on the 3 point line, I thought he is not a good shooter though.

But those stats of Kobe and Jordan are the stats of the legit greats in NBA, it only says that they are good in attacking the paint, do jump shots and not relying much in 3 point shooting. They are athletic and they uses that to contribute to their respective team .

If I will to rank not basing on the stats but only based on what I see them playing during that time, I'd say Kobe is very close to Jordan..
Lebron, nahh...

Kobe imitates MJ and he really did a very good job. He's next to the GOAT from how he played this game, he proved that he really deserved everything
that he achieved, also not being biased I go with Kobe next in line with MJ. They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 15, 2020, 05:07:39 AM

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Thoughts?

My rank for them when we talk about clutch is according on how you write it.
Michael at first, Kobe then Lebron.

They have their own strengths though.
Lebron could start the game already in fire while MJ and Kobe needs a little time to heat their engines.
But we are talking about a fourth quarter game. It needs a lot of confidence.
I vote for MJ. He can shoot or he can pass, it's difficult to defend those kind of players.

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I am surprise that LBJ got a better percent on the 3 point line, I thought he is not a good shooter though.

But those stats of Kobe and Jordan are the stats of the legit greats in NBA, it only says that they are good in attacking the paint, do jump shots and not relying much in 3 point shooting. They are athletic and they uses that to contribute to their respective team .

If I will to rank not basing on the stats but only based on what I see them playing during that time, I'd say Kobe is very close to Jordan..
Lebron, nahh...

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So, while looking for some MJ videos, I stumbled upon an interesting video review of clutch moments of him, and 2 other top NBA players that are often mentioned in GOAT talk.
Clutch parameters set by video creator:
1. Less than 5 minutes to go in the game ( plus potential OP)
2. Game within +/- 8 points

Clutch Review: Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals (1991-1998)
Total FG = 47-107 (44 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG = 46-97 (47 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG = 1-10 (10 fg%)

Clutch Review: Kobe Bryant in the NBA Finals (2000-2010)
Total FG = 33-82 (40 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG = 30-59 (51 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG = 3-23 (13 fg%)

Clutch Review: Lebron James in the NBA Finals (2007-2018)
Total FG = 31-91 (34 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG = 22-59 (37 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG = 9-32 (28 fg%)

For Jordan i knew he will excel at this aspect, but I must say that I am pleasantly surprised by Kobe's number in crucial parts of the game, somehow I thought his numbers would be much lower. Only thing that ruins it a bit are those 3 pts attempts, but most of those were forced. On the other hand, LeBron is not as clutch as I thought, and by many he is still considered as "greater" player than Kobe. One can argue that those parameters that are set might be more in favor of some players, and by changing it a bit we would get different percentages, but they are as they are.

Thoughts?

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 15, 2020, 03:18:44 AM

What a lucky gift for teams who bounds in, if the league headed straight to playoffs.
Must be sad for those team close to 8th spot. And what hurts a lot is that, they got their salaries cut while the league took their opportunity on battling for their spot, what else would be disheartening than this Huh

?

They are not robbed here, every decision is now down from careful evaluation, of course the situation will be considered, and if we will straight forward to the playoffs then I think the decision being paid is just fair for the players and for the fans, all we want is just to see the NBA resume their games.

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Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2020, 02:43:54 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 14, 2020, 10:23:28 AM

They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?

Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.

It is kinda messed up down there having a couple of games left to play, for sure they would play with everything they got specially those team close on clinching the playoffs.

Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2020, 02:43:54 PM

But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....

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If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.

What a lucky gift for teams who bounds in, if the league headed straight to playoffs.
Must be sad for those team close to 8th spot. And what hurts a lot is that, they got their salaries cut while the league took their opportunity on battling for their spot, what else would be disheartening than this Huh

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Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2020, 02:43:54 PM

Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.

Specially this teams.
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They are all playing hard down there just to take that 8th spot and be on the playoffs.

Quote from: harizen on May 14, 2020, 02:43:54 PM

But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....

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If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.

A lot of money is at stake.
This will hurt those players who are not being paid in 7 figures. They might have used up their salary and savings by now.
I just hope soon good news will come in USA. The number of infected is getting higher.

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Quote from: sana54210 on May 14, 2020, 11:36:45 AM

I wonder what would have happened if what happened between Jordan/Pippen and Krause in this period. Think about like maybe Bob Myers (gm of warriors) coming off from 2 straight rings in 2017 and 2018 and on the third year he says that Steve Kerr will be fired no matter what happens in the end of the season even if Curry leaves because of it. Think about what would be the social media response, think about all reddit topics, think about what media would do, basically everything would have been different, back in those days there was media and it made it to news but it couldn't be nowhere near like today, right now basically everything is online and everyone has an account to talk about these together. Its really something major that just happened and wasn't as big part of the NBA history when Jordan is talked about, maybe from now on it might be.

Of course every social media platforms will "feasted" on that news. However, as portray in the Last Dance, there's a lot of animosity going on between the players and the management. It's just these people are really professionals and are focus on one goal, to win another championships regardless of their internal bickerings.

And speaking of Jordan, his basketball reference, you can find Last Dance Viewer's guide: https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/last-dance-viewers-guide.html. Not sure if everyone is aware of it.

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Quote from: Reid on May 14, 2020, 10:23:28 AM

They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?

Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.

But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....

Quote

If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.

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They could potentially act as if a positive test result is like an injury and just send that player home to recover until he is better, while also testing all players constantly. Testing could lead a result in just few hours nowadays, it really improved very quickly (one of the reasons why I think vaccine will be ready quicker than all estimates) and that means you could literally test everyone at morning, get a result by noon, make them train, and on game days, do the testing even twice, one at morning, on at late afternoon right before kick-off should get the second results.

That way you would basically not have any players either be positive, or even if there is a positive one they wouldn't be able to sit together or play together when they have the illness since they will have to wait for the results until they can play, if the result comes back negative they can go out and play, that way they will be capable of making sure nobody is sick.

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I wonder what would have happened if what happened between Jordan/Pippen and Krause in this period. Think about like maybe Bob Myers (gm of warriors) coming off from 2 straight rings in 2017 and 2018 and on the third year he says that Steve Kerr will be fired no matter what happens in the end of the season even if Curry leaves because of it. Think about what would be the social media response, think about all reddit topics, think about what media would do, basically everything would have been different, back in those days there was media and it made it to news but it couldn't be nowhere near like today, right now basically everything is online and everyone has an account to talk about these together. Its really something major that just happened and wasn't as big part of the NBA history when Jordan is talked about, maybe from now on it might be.

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Being optimistic about it.

About the format.

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A few ideas have reportedly been floated, such as having a play-in tournament to give more teams a chance to make the playoffs, but it’s hard to even consider ideas for playoff formats when the basics are still undecided. Wojnarowski reported that the NBA has yet to figure out if all 30 teams will return when the NBA restarts, or if any of the remaining regular-season games will be played at all. Teams have 15-20 games left to play this season.

They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?

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NBA restart reportedly gaining momentum, but positive COVID-19 tests still major concern

Discussions centered on health and safety concerns, including the goal of getting team officials and players comfortable with the idea that a positive test for the coronavirus upon a return would not shutter play. Silver told those on the call that if a positive test would "shut us down, we probably shouldn't go down this path."

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-restart-reportedly-gaining-momentum-but-positive-covid-19-tests-still-major-concern-134614383.html

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 13, 2020, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:11:30 AM

There is just too much tension and a lot had been revealed in it.
He also considered what will others feel if the film will go out.

I knew that there was some tension between Jordan, Pippen and Krause, but I had no idea it was that complicated. Back then we didn't get many news from NBA here in Europe, all we had were newspapers and that NBA Inside Stuff show. When you think that Bulls could have won few more titles, if there was more consideration. Like when Kobe and Shaq split, if they stayed together they could have won few more titles together.

It's like of those locker room stories. But this one is something big.
Didn't even expect that either.

Quote from: Rikafip on May 13, 2020, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:11:30 AM

What good timing too, people are in lock down and like waiting for an episode of GOT. Grin

I just hope that last 2 episodes of The Last Dance won't be as bad as last season of GOT Wink

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Wahahaha
You don't like good endings? Something dramatic or happily ever after? Grin

Quote from: Rikafip on May 13, 2020, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:14:12 PM

The other reason, is I hate buffering. I might break my television when I throw the TV remote. Grin

Dunno, but in general Netflix is not that demanding when it comes to bandwidth so if you have at least 10 mb DL, you shouldn't have issues. Well, unless you are streaming 4k HDR stuff. Only issue is if The Last Dance is not available in your country, but even that can be sorted with good VPN.

No, I think it is my android black box which is having problems.
It ain't the new stuff out there that can use 4k.
Also, I think it has issues with its WIFI connection. It's slow but when I use my smartphone I can read a stable connection.
Yeah, VPN might really help.

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Quote from: Reid on May 13, 2020, 09:20:05 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on May 13, 2020, 08:04:44 AM

I guess Kobe's wife has loss her love to basketball if there is because he loss her daughter and her husband in a tragic incident.
Maybe anything related to basketball, she will try to forget it so they can move on... I wonder who will get the award once time comes that Kobe will be honored again in the NBA. ... respect,, yes that is what they need as it's hard to move on with what happen.

They're in grieve, I hope they could pass that difficult time.
It will heal, but it will take time.
Hell! Even us are still affected by such loss.
How hard could it be for a mother grieving for her daughter and as a wife losing her husband.
That's just too much to handle and it was so sudden.

They all want peace. Maybe they could find it with this kind of ways. Cry

I agree with you bro, I always see Kobe's family present in the court every time he has a big game, and their daughter was influence by Kobe to love basketball but the wife I guess is not an athlete, she was a model so she has no natural love on the sport like Kobe.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 13, 2020, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:14:12 PM

The other reason, is I hate buffering. I might break my television when I throw the TV remote. Grin

Dunno, but in general Netflix is not that demanding when it comes to bandwidth so if you have at least 10 mb DL, you shouldn't have issues. Well, unless you are streaming 4k HDR stuff. Only issue is if The Last Dance is not available in your country, but even that can be sorted with good VPN.

Only thing is that VPN usually slows down your internet connection depending on which country you're located and the server as well.
I'm not a fan of using Netflix since I don't have enough time to watch movies during the night time, I might fell asleep not half the movie has finished yet. Hence, I can use free streaming websites that also offers Netflix series and movies. Including the MJ documentary "The Last Dance".

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 13, 2020, 06:30:41 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on May 12, 2020, 05:51:42 PM

Since the main focus was to discuss the road to 1997-98 season, yes I think that the last 2 episodes will now focus on their journey to a championship after the 1995 playoffs loss. The second three-peat and the final years of Jordan's prime.

I hope there will be a side part of Karl Malone and the whole Utah Jazz. That would be great. Utah Jazz dominate the Western Conference from 1996 to 1998 and gives Chicago Bulls a hard time in their finals meetup.

Yes, is there anything else to surprise us?
They went too deep in giving all the information, even the behind the scenes.

If that will not be the end of this episode then what else could it be?
Anyone have some theories? Whoever compiled it did a good job. It might have took a lot of time.

The series will end to Jordan's incapability to build a strong team to his own Charlotte Bobcats for several seasons lol. Cheesy

Just kidding.

But yeah, aside from Utah Jazz thing, retirement after the 1998 finals, becoming a team staff, and the return as a player after several seasons but in another uniform, I don't have anything left to think what could be the other scoops we can get.

Interesting if there are more secrets that will be revealed or drama that even the news didn't even know during that time.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 13, 2020, 06:30:41 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on May 12, 2020, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: FanEagle on May 12, 2020, 12:55:57 PM

I think the last two would probably be the first championship of last threepeat off-season and second championship and the last years last games basically. That is all there is left with the pattern they are going.

Since the main focus was to discuss the road to 1997-98 season, yes I think that the last 2 episodes will now focus on their journey to a championship after the 1995 playoffs loss. The second three-peat and the final years of Jordan's prime.

I hope there will be a side part of Karl Malone and the whole Utah Jazz. That would be great. Utah Jazz dominate the Western Conference from 1996 to 1998 and gives Chicago Bulls a hard time in their finals meetup.

Yes, is there anything else to surprise us?
They went too deep in giving all the information, even the behind the scenes.

If that will not be the end of this episode then what else could it be?
Anyone have some theories? Whoever compiled it did a good job. It might have took a lot of time.

I guess they do also talk about all other stuff as well, they will probably talk about the second three peat in general, they talked about the last season already so far into playoffs, so they will talk about the first two championships of that three peat and already talked about the first one. However remember they talk about everything between as well, like all the personality changes, all the gambling, all the death, all the weird hair styles of rodman etc etc.

So, I am pretty sure there will be some stuff in between as well, it won't be like "hey this is what they did that year, bye", it will be like how they did it, what happened while they did it, and what happened afterwards and all of that so I think there will be some personal stories that are touching once again.

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Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:11:30 AM

There is just too much tension and a lot had been revealed in it.
He also considered what will others feel if the film will go out.

I knew that there was some tension between Jordan, Pippen and Krause, but I had no idea it was that complicated. Back then we didn't get many news from NBA here in Europe, all we had were newspapers and that NBA Inside Stuff show. When you think that Bulls could have won few more titles, if there was more consideration. Like when Kobe and Shaq split, if they stayed together they could have won few more titles together.

Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:11:30 AM

What good timing too, people are in lock down and like waiting for an episode of GOT. Grin

I just hope that last 2 episodes of The Last Dance won't be as bad as last season of GOT Wink

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Quote from: Reid on May 12, 2020, 10:14:12 PM

The other reason, is I hate buffering. I might break my television when I throw the TV remote. Grin

Dunno, but in general Netflix is not that demanding when it comes to bandwidth so if you have at least 10 mb DL, you shouldn't have issues. Well, unless you are streaming 4k HDR stuff. Only issue is if The Last Dance is not available in your country, but even that can be sorted with good VPN.

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