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Exactly, I watched Jordan while I was very young and appreciate his game and admire him as a player, I watched Kobe while I was in highschool and loved the way he plays as I understand the game of basketball. Then, I watched LeBron during my college days and liked his type of game. Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

People respect players but people just have their own favorite players in NBA, it doesn't matter how they train, we don't see it, what we see is them playing in the court and how they give a win on their respective team, it's normal for players to receive a lot of criticism or praise because as a fan, we are emotional, we idolize or we hate players and they have to accept it as that is how they earn money from the fans.

Im sorry, but I think you didn't get my point my friend.
I said :

Quote from: tbterryboy on May 17, 2020, 01:29:58 PM

Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

If you're totally aware about the hate Kobe, or Lebron, or Jordan, or any other player in the NBA surrounding over the social media that someone would actually put a lot of effort and time to post unnecessary hate towards them. I don't think that's a normal critics right? But, we're going away with the message I want to point out.

If you're following my comments regarding this issue, this for the person who said LeBron's achievement ain't real like Kobe's or Jordan.
Discrediting his achievement is far different than actual critics.

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I personally feel like basketball talent has this subjective part that you could both agree to disagree but also has a level where its stupid. When you say something like Gary Payton was a better player at his peak than Lebron at his peak, thats stupid, thats not subjective in my eye and that's biased, however if you say Mj is better than Lebron or say Lebron is better than MJ that is understandable, you do not have to agree with that person but you could understand why they think that way.

So if you know the level, if you know the small gap between these players, you would understand why one seen above the other. Do not say stuff like I would take Brad Miller over Shaq Cheesy

. But you could say I would take Kobe over Lebron, its those type of things that make the arguments fun as well.

Cool!

It could be base on positions too?

Jason Kidd over Jason Williams or Russell Westbrook but it cannot be against Steve Nash.
Steve Nash don't do rebounds and yet he is a 2 time MVP. Nash and Steph Curry maybe? Freethrow percentage almost the same. Both 2 time season MVP. Possible. But I like Steve Nash more (Suns) even though they didn't get a championship. That was a fun team to watch.

Could also be stats basis.

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I personally feel like basketball talent has this subjective part that you could both agree to disagree but also has a level where its stupid. When you say something like Gary Payton was a better player at his peak than Lebron at his peak, thats stupid, thats not subjective in my eye and that's biased, however if you say Mj is better than Lebron or say Lebron is better than MJ that is understandable, you do not have to agree with that person but you could understand why they think that way.

So if you know the level, if you know the small gap between these players, you would understand why one seen above the other. Do not say stuff like I would take Brad Miller over Shaq Cheesy

. But you could say I would take Kobe over Lebron, its those type of things that make the arguments fun as well.

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Quote from: ultrloa on May 17, 2020, 12:34:10 AM

Times goes by we have different team supported since every year there are one step up but Lakers is my personal favorite even since then especially when Kobe still there hitting some nice buckets with his fade away shots and it's unfortunate that Kobe is gone now since if he's still alive for sure he will have many players develop.

I have never been a fan of the Lakers even with Magic or Kobe, and now Lebron.
But that doesn't mean I don't idolize this guys. They are the names I shout whenever I made an assists(Magic) or shoot a fadeaway(Kobe). Grin

Quote from: ultrloa on May 17, 2020, 12:34:10 AM

But actually I can't compare Leonard to Lebron since first Leonard needs to prove more his self before he can surpass lebron's legacy and he have so many issue regarding on load management so compare with lebron he can muscle up in every corner and lift up his team up to the finals while leonard needs to rest for several games just to stay healthy on play offs.

I don't hate leonard but that's what I see last season.

Leonard can, but ever since that injury (Pachula evil mind) he became that players which had the bad attendance.
Lebron and Leonard are way different.
Actually, Leonard doesn't need to prove something anymore. He got what he want (MVP, MDP and 2 championship rings) and it is now a bonus that he plays for his home with high salary. Wink

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Quote from: verita1 on May 16, 2020, 03:30:09 AM

Guys, this is a very objective article about LeBron James.
We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

Do you have a basis on this? You are aware that you are talking about the history of basketball, right?

who's the most important then?

The basis is just on that post and that's through that article's analysis.

The article was made of John Schuhmann so that's how he looked upon to Lebron.

That's opinion based and most of the people will react from how this analysis bring the weight. There are always different reactions and those who lived much earlier that the current era will not agree to that, MJ still on the top but there are lots of individuals who are also important from different perspectives.
Kobe who plays like MJ, shag who dominates inside, Magic and Bird who really make the history of good rivalry.

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 17, 2020, 08:38:42 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2020, 06:08:53 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2020, 06:08:53 AM

A good example is GSW. There is so much hate now that is surrounding against them.
I don't know the reasons behind that. All that effort and hard work and still you cannot please everyone.

The only thing that people like more than seeing underdogs win is to see the best teams fail, these things go together. GSW have been dominating for a few years, and people simply got sick of it, but it escalated only after they got Durant, that's when the real hatred started. People want to see best players playing against each other, not all of them together in one team. I must admit that I was a bit disappointed as well when i heard they got Durant, after loosing against Cavaliers in the final.

Same here, man. But I couldn't blame KD for he has his own reason. Perhaps he must be tired on getting a ring with OKC so he find an easy way to get it.
But I am happy now that at least he ain't in bad terms with Westbrook anymore.

It was getting along with Westbrook.
It's obvious that WB want the spotlight. Is he a sharing person? I don't know.
But maybe not.
He was the first one that I've seen which was obviously stat padding.
Counting every shot every assists and rebounds.
Who does that? You are busy making plays and trying to win and yet you are counting? Grin

Durant made his choice and it was for his own good.
Now, I think he is not yet satisfied with that and want to win on his own.
Sounds good to me, he needs to prove it though.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2020, 06:08:53 AM

A good example is GSW. There is so much hate now that is surrounding against them.
I don't know the reasons behind that. All that effort and hard work and still you cannot please everyone.

The only thing that people like more than seeing underdogs win is to see the best teams fail, these things go together. GSW have been dominating for a few years, and people simply got sick of it, but it escalated only after they got Durant, that's when the real hatred started. People want to see best players playing against each other, not all of them together in one team. I must admit that I was a bit disappointed as well when i heard they got Durant, after loosing against Cavaliers in the final.

Same here, man. But I couldn't blame KD for he has his own reason. Perhaps he must be tired on getting a ring with OKC so he find an easy way to get it.
But I am happy now that at least he ain't in bad terms with Westbrook anymore.

Quote from: verita1 on May 16, 2020, 03:30:09 AM

We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

One of the best in modern era? Definitely. But second most important hardly. There were players in the past that were so dominant, that NBA had to change rules in order to even things out. He is really trying to follow MJ steps though, next year we will get sequel to Space Jam with him in the main role.

He must be talking about this?

Or something else? Sorry, I meant no offense but is it me or second most statement doesn't make any sense? 'Cause it seems a bit contradicting. And beside what made Bron a second most important? 'Cause he change the league? if is it that the case then Steph Curry is sitting at the very top or somewhere between 0-5, dunno. Perhaps because a lot of players now are shooting 3s than attacking the basket even big guys that was meant to be inside the paint.

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Quote from: verita1 on May 16, 2020, 03:30:09 AM

A good example is GSW. There is so much hate now that is surrounding against them.
I don't know the reasons behind that. All that effort and hard work and still you cannot please everyone.

The only thing that people like more than seeing underdogs win is to see the best teams fail, these things go together. GSW have been dominating for a few years, and people simply got sick of it, but it escalated only after they got Durant, that's when the real hatred started. People want to see best players playing against each other, not all of them together in one team. I must admit that I was a bit disappointed as well when i heard they got Durant, after loosing against Cavaliers in the final.

We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

One of the best in modern era? Definitely. But second most important hardly. There were players in the past that were so dominant, that NBA had to change rules in order to even things out. He is really trying to follow MJ steps though, next year we will get sequel to Space Jam with him in the main role.

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Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

You talking about me, lol...

Haha, no I dont think so. Why? Let us see...

Quote from: ultrloa on May 17, 2020, 12:34:10 AM

I love the underrated player, Kawhi might not an underrated for some but I don't see the kind of respect Lebron got from Leonard when in fact they are both equal or Leonard could even be a better player between the two.

It is not being a bandwagon type.
I love underrated players too and we want to support them.
Going against what the mass loves more. My kind of bad habit, or maybe good.
Someone who is not being talked much but yet he got his proofs on his history. Yeah, one of those is Kawhi.
How about Draymond Green?
If we talk about teams, I go for Denver, have less fans. Again, with my habit.

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Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

You talking about me, lol... may favorite team before was actually the Lakers, but when Kobe got injured and things wen't shit, I look for another team and when the Warriors team becomes very exciting to watch, I then become a fan of the team, but it didn't last long because my favorite player now is Kawhi Leonard and whichever team he is, I will support and be a fan of such team as well.

I love the underrated player, Kawhi might not an underrated for some but I don't see the kind of respect Lebron got from Leonard when in fact they are both equal or Leonard could even be a better player between the two.

Times goes by we have different team supported since every year there are one step up but Lakers is my personal favorite even since then especially when Kobe still there hitting some nice buckets with his fade away shots and it's unfortunate that Kobe is gone now since if he's still alive for sure he will have many players develop.

But actually I can't compare Leonard to Lebron since first Leonard needs to prove more his self before he can surpass lebron's legacy and he have so many issue regarding on load management so compare with lebron he can muscle up in every corner and lift up his team up to the finals while leonard needs to rest for several games just to stay healthy on play offs.

I don't hate leonard but that's what I see last season.

We can never come up of whose the best because we will certainly say our favorite player is the best.
Let's just say that both are good players but in terms of clutchness, I'd go with Leonard but without overall performance, maybe Lebron James.

About the load management, it's not the players call but the management, if the management would not allow it, then Leonard will be force to play.
Team coaches now are getting smarter, they are not anymore seeking to be the top 1 in the regular season, what they want is to be in the playoffs and then keep their stars get going to win since they are fully healthy due to some load management during regular season.

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Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

You talking about me, lol... may favorite team before was actually the Lakers, but when Kobe got injured and things wen't shit, I look for another team and when the Warriors team becomes very exciting to watch, I then become a fan of the team, but it didn't last long because my favorite player now is Kawhi Leonard and whichever team he is, I will support and be a fan of such team as well.

I love the underrated player, Kawhi might not an underrated for some but I don't see the kind of respect Lebron got from Leonard when in fact they are both equal or Leonard could even be a better player between the two.

Times goes by we have different team supported since every year there are one step up but Lakers is my personal favorite even since then especially when Kobe still there hitting some nice buckets with his fade away shots and it's unfortunate that Kobe is gone now since if he's still alive for sure he will have many players develop.

But actually I can't compare Leonard to Lebron since first Leonard needs to prove more his self before he can surpass lebron's legacy and he have so many issue regarding on load management so compare with lebron he can muscle up in every corner and lift up his team up to the finals while leonard needs to rest for several games just to stay healthy on play offs.

I don't hate leonard but that's what I see last season.

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Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

You talking about me, lol... may favorite team before was actually the Lakers, but when Kobe got injured and things wen't shit, I look for another team and when the Warriors team becomes very exciting to watch, I then become a fan of the team, but it didn't last long because my favorite player now is Kawhi Leonard and whichever team he is, I will support and be a fan of such team as well.

I love the underrated player, Kawhi might not an underrated for some but I don't see the kind of respect Lebron got from Leonard when in fact they are both equal or Leonard could even be a better player between the two.

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Quote from: Finestream on May 16, 2020, 06:28:44 PM

Exactly, I watched Jordan while I was very young and appreciate his game and admire him as a player, I watched Kobe while I was in highschool and loved the way he plays as I understand the game of basketball. Then, I watched LeBron during my college days and liked his type of game. Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

Indeed.
It is when you are on the top, the media starts to put you down and try to get the 50 percent chance that some fans will believe in it.
A good example is GSW. There is so much hate now that is surrounding against them.
I don't know the reasons behind that. All that effort and hard work and still you cannot please everyone.

People respect players but people just have their own favorite players in NBA, it doesn't matter how they train, we don't see it, what we see is them playing in the court and how they give a win on their respective team, it's normal for players to receive a lot of criticism or praise because as a fan, we are emotional, we idolize or we hate players and they have to accept it as that is how they earn money from the fans.

Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

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