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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 06, 2023, 08:07:29 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

Just came across this article stating that Converge is letting Jamal Franklin go. They will still pay the remainder of his contract, but they are moving forward to the playoffs without Jamal Franklin. I do not know who will replace him, but it is too near the playoffs, and they may not have the chemistry needed to win a series. Below is the link to the article.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-ballclub-converge-to-release-import-jamaal-franklin-a2244-20230306

So, this means that he intentionally underperforms in their last game against Ginebra in response to the coach's instructions to share the ball. Very unprofessional response to a valid instruction from the coach.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 06, 2023, 08:07:29 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

He's letting his teammates shoot the ball in preparation for the playoffs. He wasn't willing to shoot the ball because he wants his teammates to be involved in the play and let them shoot. It's obvious that on all of their games, Franklin is the one that's taking the shots most of the time. I don't see it as negative thing, but I see it as teamwork.

Even the commentators are saying negative about what Franklin did. As I'm watching it they said that "as an import, that performance is unaccepted". I mean it's a non-bearing game after all. All the time when there's an import, we've always seen these imports taking most of the shots, and some of the locals aren't having an opportunity to score and shoot the ball.

As for me, I don't think as a negative because overall, it's their performance in the playoffs that matters. Currently they are now at the 7th seed. The last game of Magnolia will decide what will be their final standings.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

I don't think so. He had some open shots, but it looks like he wasn't a willing shooter in that game. Though he shot a lot, he knows his outside shots are of high percentage. They were also in a position where the lead of Ginebra had already ballooned, so as an import, he should act and try to come back to win. I'm seeing that there's something wrong with him, or maybe he was ordered not to shoot the ball and let the Kings win.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

Always have that mentality when something unusual happen during the game, the reputation of PBA always at risk when gamblers noticed that something is not right within the game, though it's always a rumor and nothing can be proven I mean, no one can prove anything after the game end.

For someone who already understands the drill, just another bad pick and continues to move forward.

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The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

Not a pro if he got that mentality! He's been paid to listen to his coach and adjust for the betterment of the game and not to ruin it.

Just a personal take without sentiment. We don't know what will happen next and if the comment affects him personally.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 05, 2023, 01:45:21 PM

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On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

Meralco won the game against Phoenix Fuel Master. They won by six points. I feel like Meralco has a hard time in closing games. They have a good lead with two minutes left in the game, but they let Phoenix make a run and closed the game. Then McDaniels fouled out that gave the Phoenix Fuel Masters a chance to snatch a win. Luckily Newsome was there for a block and some timely rebound to make sure that they secure the win.

Meralco won the game against the Phoenix, but they almost lost when they surged, making forced turnovers against Meralco. The good thing is that, the Bolts remained their composure until the end of the game even though McDaniels got fouled out in the 4th quarter. Well, the Bolts already is secured in the playoffs, so it's a non-bearing game for them. Currently, they are now in the 5th spot and might remain on that spot until the playoffs.

What's bad is that, I put a -6.5 spread bet on the Bolts, but the lead is only 6. The FuelMasters tried to foul Newsome in the dying seconds, but the referees didn't whistle thus, he didn't shot free throws that would've cover my bet. It's the referee's fault I lost my bet. Cheesy

Quote from: goinmerry on March 05, 2023, 06:59:31 PM

Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

I watched the whole game, and on one interview, Franklin said that he wants to boost the morale of his team that's why he is giving them balls for them to shoot. I mean we've seen Franklin scoring and scoring. He said that now's the time for his teammates to at least shoot the ball and since they are already in the playoffs, I guess there's noting wrong with that way of thinking.

I might think negatively towards the import of Converge if I didn't heard that interview.

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Lots of speculations that Converge lose that game on purpose as their import only scored lower compared to its usual in 35 minutes of playing. But looking at the standing, win or loss, I don't see how it will impact the final position of teams.

The courtside reporter also tells during the game that Franklin is always trying to make several hoops last game even if it's hard to attempt and not sure if it's going to be a successful shot. That's what Coach Ayo pointed out and maybe Franklin take it as a big deal.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 05, 2023, 01:45:21 PM

My take is Franklin likes to play iso but that would not work for a defensive team like Ginebra. Maybe he was overwhelmed by the defense of Ginebra so he was taken out of his usual performance.

Adding to that, it was noticeably always seen that Jamaal Franklin is hogging the ball mostly prior to their games against Ginebra. The reason why the import always establishes a high score every game.

Because of that, he was instructed then to always share the ball with his teammate and the result is, he didn't become aggressive as he used to be.

I will disregard the speculation that Franklin intentionally wants to lose that game but it's clear that he and Converge have an internal issue and problem which is not good for the team. Now that Franklin shared the ball, look at what happened, the locals didn't even step up.

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Quote from: crzy on March 05, 2023, 04:19:04 PM

There’s no intention to lose here as they are still on a big risk of losing the chance getting into the next round, or maybe you’re correct with this one but I think their import is just off today and don’t have a good plays. Too bad to lose with a 19 point deficit, this might be expect as they played against Ginebra which we all know played better compare to other teams. Positioning for the second round will be more crucial, let’s see if Covenver and Ginebra will meet again next round.

Even if Converge loses that game against Ginebra, there's no big risk for them to lose the chance of getting into the quarterfinals. They already clinched and qualified for their quarterfinal spot and let's say they won that game last night, the possibility of being on the twice-to-win side is still what they will end up with.

Winning or losing that game against Ginebra last night also won't change the possibility of Converge facing the MVP team, TNT, Meralco and NLEX, and SMC teams, Brgy. Ginebra and San Miguel Beermen. If the seeding won't change until the last game, Converge might face the Beermen and they need to make 2 wins to eliminate SMB.

A tough challenge waiting on the quarterfinals for the Converge and let's see if they can pull up an upset.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 05, 2023, 08:15:43 AM

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There's a high chance that Converge will lose this one as their import's offense is very predictable and the Gin Kings have guarded him well, at the moment he has only registered 4 points in this game.

He is not making shots, and there's something wrong with that game. It looks like Converge is intentionally losing the game. Jamal Franklin, who scored 57 points against Meralco, only scored 4 points and had attempted only 5 shots in that game. That's so uncharacteristic of him because he usually has higher shot attempts.

What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

There’s no intention to lose here as they are still on a big risk of losing the chance getting into the next round, or maybe you’re correct with this one but I think their import is just off today and don’t have a good plays. Too bad to lose with a 19 point deficit, this might be expect as they played against Ginebra which we all know played better compare to other teams. Positioning for the second round will be more crucial, let’s see if Covenver and Ginebra will meet again next round.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 05, 2023, 12:47:03 AM

On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

Meralco won the game against Phoenix Fuel Master. They won by six points. I feel like Meralco has a hard time in closing games. They have a good lead with two minutes left in the game, but they let Phoenix make a run and closed the game. Then McDaniels fouled out that gave the Phoenix Fuel Masters a chance to snatch a win. Luckily Newsome was there for a block and some timely rebound to make sure that they secure the win.

Quote from: Maslate on March 05, 2023, 08:15:43 AM

What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

That is really uncharacteristic for the import. I did not watch the whole game, only a glimpse but when I saw that Ginebra have a double-digit lead, I already know Ginebra will win. My take is Franklin likes to play iso but that would not work for a defensive team like Ginebra. Maybe he was overwhelmed by the defense of Ginebra so he was taken out of his usual performance.

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Meanwhile, the Gin Kings and Converge are playing now. I'm sure Converge will play harder, as they are in a two-game losing streak already. Let's see how this game goes. It's a tight ball game so far and everyone is enjoying the action.

I'm expecting a close game, but it seems like their import is having a problem. He hasn't played a lot in this game and has only made a limited contribution. Franklin is supposed to score double digits already if he is healthy, but after the first half, he has only scored two points. I hope he will come back in the second half and help his team compete with the Gin Kings.

The lead is not that high and I think Converge can still cover that lead and take it for them, they need a good plays right now.
Losing this game will put them on a risky position going into the next round, too bad their import is not playing well its time for the locals to step up. If Ginebra plays consistently here, we might see a huge lead at the end of the game and that can hurt the confidence of converge for sure.

It ended up with a huge deficit, 19 points to be exact, Gin kings wins all quarters, not sure what happen with Converge import why he's not playing well and why he's not doing his usual type of game, he was known as very productive import but today he's not showing that eagerness to produce a score for the team.

I just notice another great game from CStand. He's really been a big factor for the team, making good defense and providing decent numbers for his offense.

A two-way player that Gin kings really can rely, congrats to all Gin kings fans and Bettors!

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 05, 2023, 07:45:59 AM

There's a high chance that Converge will lose this one as their import's offense is very predictable and the Gin Kings have guarded him well, at the moment he has only registered 4 points in this game.

He is not making shots, and there's something wrong with that game. It looks like Converge is intentionally losing the game. Jamal Franklin, who scored 57 points against Meralco, only scored 4 points and had attempted only 5 shots in that game. That's so uncharacteristic of him because he usually has higher shot attempts.

What do you think about that game? Did you see something unusual like I did?

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Quote from: mirakal on March 05, 2023, 05:59:48 AM

Another lucky bet worth sharing.

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I'm having a good night, and it was the fourth quarter that really gave me this win. As for the second game, I'm still hoping that it will result in a low-scoring game, as these are both great teams. I doubt Franklin would be able to generate lots of points in the 3-point area, since Ginebra has lots of players who could guard him. If not JB, I like Malonzon to defend him.

Wow, congrats on your big win mate, you are so lucky tonight. As for the second game, i think it is a high scoring game because they already score 151 points at the end of the third quarter but i have bet that it won't go over 227.5. There's a high chance that Converge will lose this one as their import's offense is very predictable and the Gin Kings have guarded him well, at the moment he has only registered 4 points in this game.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 05, 2023, 07:08:09 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on March 05, 2023, 06:33:10 AM

Meanwhile, the Gin Kings and Converge are playing now. I'm sure Converge will play harder, as they are in a two-game losing streak already. Let's see how this game goes. It's a tight ball game so far and everyone is enjoying the action.

I'm expecting a close game, but it seems like their import is having a problem. He hasn't played a lot in this game and has only made a limited contribution. Franklin is supposed to score double digits already if he is healthy, but after the first half, he has only scored two points. I hope he will come back in the second half and help his team compete with the Gin Kings.

The lead is not that high and I think Converge can still cover that lead and take it for them, they need a good plays right now.
Losing this game will put them on a risky position going into the next round, too bad their import is not playing well its time for the locals to step up. If Ginebra plays consistently here, we might see a huge lead at the end of the game and that can hurt the confidence of converge for sure.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 05, 2023, 06:33:10 AM

Meanwhile, the Gin Kings and Converge are playing now. I'm sure Converge will play harder, as they are in a two-game losing streak already. Let's see how this game goes. It's a tight ball game so far and everyone is enjoying the action.

I'm expecting a close game, but it seems like their import is having a problem. He hasn't played a lot in this game and has only made a limited contribution. Franklin is supposed to score double digits already if he is healthy, but after the first half, he has only scored two points. I hope he will come back in the second half and help his team compete with the Gin Kings.

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Congratulations @mirakal, that's another big win for you. When you say Meralco, it should be a low-scoring game. Maybe the absence of Maliksi helped a lot to make it a low-scoring game. Nice catch, man.

Meanwhile, the Gin Kings and Converge are playing now. I'm sure Converge will play harder, as they are in a two-game losing streak already. Let's see how this game goes. It's a tight ball game so far and everyone is enjoying the action.

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I'm having a good night, and it was the fourth quarter that really gave me this win. As for the second game, I'm still hoping that it will result in a low-scoring game, as these are both great teams. I doubt Franklin would be able to generate lots of points in the 3-point area, since Ginebra has lots of players who could guard him. If not JB, I like Malonzon to defend him.

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On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

It always looks good on paper, but you'll never know what will happen. Just like what happened with DYIP vs Magnolia, we thought that Magnolia would easily dominate DYIP, but it turned out to be a tight game. Magnolia almost lost, but they were lucky to bring the game to OT, and they had to play hard to win.

Well, you are right, because it turns out this game is tight. Phoenix actually won the first half, so let's see if they will be able to bounce back. By the way, the scoring of Meralco might be affected, as Allen Maliksi is out in this game. I haven't heard the reason, but most likely, it's a coaching staff decision or suspension by the management.

4th quarter now, under 6 minutes and the lead of Meralco is double digits they managed to turn things to their side, it's Phoenix time now to try rallying back and see if they can still change the direction of this game, we still don't know if who's going to win as PBA always have a surprise.

Still enough time to make some good run and cut the lead, just need to make a good stop.

It was a nice run, but they fell short. The fourth quarter was full of defense, and the game ended up with only 178 points, which was lower than the original over/under of over 200+. Meralco's defense was the key to their win. Despite their import being fouled out, they were still able to manage to defend and win the game. That's the Meralco I know.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 05, 2023, 04:48:35 AM

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 05, 2023, 12:47:03 AM

On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

It always looks good on paper, but you'll never know what will happen. Just like what happened with DYIP vs Magnolia, we thought that Magnolia would easily dominate DYIP, but it turned out to be a tight game. Magnolia almost lost, but they were lucky to bring the game to OT, and they had to play hard to win.

Well, you are right, because it turns out this game is tight. Phoenix actually won the first half, so let's see if they will be able to bounce back. By the way, the scoring of Meralco might be affected, as Allen Maliksi is out in this game. I haven't heard the reason, but most likely, it's a coaching staff decision or suspension by the management.

4th quarter now, under 6 minutes and the lead of Meralco is double digits they managed to turn things to their side, it's Phoenix time now to try rallying back and see if they can still change the direction of this game, we still don't know if who's going to win as PBA always have a surprise.

Still enough time to make some good run and cut the lead, just need to make a good stop.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 05, 2023, 03:29:04 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 05, 2023, 12:47:03 AM

On first game, I think the Bolts will get this one so I'd rather bet on spread or total rather than the winner. On the 2nd game, I think the odds of Ginebra winning is still attractive at least for me. I will bet on them this time.

It always looks good on paper, but you'll never know what will happen. Just like what happened with DYIP vs Magnolia, we thought that Magnolia would easily dominate DYIP, but it turned out to be a tight game. Magnolia almost lost, but they were lucky to bring the game to OT, and they had to play hard to win.

Well, you are right, because it turns out this game is tight. Phoenix actually won the first half, so let's see if they will be able to bounce back. By the way, the scoring of Meralco might be affected, as Allen Maliksi is out in this game. I haven't heard the reason, but most likely, it's a coaching staff decision or suspension by the management.

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