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I think I have mentioned it before that some guys from the Terrafirma might end up in one of the SMC teams and it happened now. If you guys remember, when PBA restarts, Terrafirma surprises everyone with their performance beating some of the top teams in the league.
And that's the start of targeting those players. As we know SMC, they are always willing to give up players in exchange of young ones, regardless if that player helps the franchise win championships.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
This is like SMC's indirect way of saying to their players to retire as you are old in this game already
. Those players involved, I think they already knew that one day this would come. One good thing about this is that they still earn some money before they finally retire. Give chance to the young players to shine, many of them are now playing overseas while a lot of 38's to 40's are still banging bodies in the PBA lol.
Wonder what's the real score of Mark Caguiao in the Gin King's roster, is he retired?
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
All for the sake of their franchise, SMB needs to break that "Death 5" they are no longer materializing and with the threats of younger opponents, they need to adjust and make sure that they are competitive enough to continue chasing more titles. After that game 7 loss to TNT, management sees the big difference, they are no longer dominating.
The rotation of players inside the court is more on this death 5 squad, putting new face needs a lot of adjustment, though I'm not sure if they will get good benefits in acquiring Enciso, he's also not on his prime, maybe they are just acquiring him for another trade.
Enciso is still 30 years old, he got a good game also as he is a good shooter, so most probably the SMB will keep him even though he might not be in the starting 5. I'm sure the SMB knows what they are doing, they destroy the death 5 because it's already time to give the younger players a chance to play to compete a good team like the TNT.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
All for the sake of their franchise, SMB needs to break that "Death 5" they are no longer materializing and with the threats of younger opponents, they need to adjust and make sure that they are competitive enough to continue chasing more titles. After that game 7 loss to TNT, management sees the big difference, they are no longer dominating.
The rotation of players inside the court is more on this death 5 squad, putting new face needs a lot of adjustment, though I'm not sure if they will get good benefits in acquiring Enciso, he's also not on his prime, maybe they are just acquiring him for another trade.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
They've made controversial trades back in the years. The likes of Danny Siegle, Danny I, Caidic are some of the players that they traded even though they have great contribution to the team.
I will not be surprised too if Ross and Lassiter will be traded to other teams as well. I'm not expecting Fajardo to be traded as he can still play for at least 2-3 years with the team.
That was only one bad conference and they decided to trade some players, I think it's not fair as these veterans contributed big time during the times when the SMB won championships. BGSM is different from SMB because they value their veterans, they even keep Mark Caguioa until now and Jayjay Helterbrand were given a chance to retire in Ginebra.
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I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
They've made controversial trades back in the years. The likes of Danny Siegle, Danny I, Caidic are some of the players that they traded even though they have great contribution to the team.
I will not be surprised too if Ross and Lassiter will be traded to other teams as well. I'm not expecting Fajardo to be traded as he can still play for at least 2-3 years with the team.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
Cabagnot is already an accomplished player, he already won a championship several times with the SMB so for sure he will accept the decision of the management to trade him. AFAIK, Cabagnot has a passion for coaching too, so maybe after his time in the PBA as a player, he will retire and be a coach, probably just like Jimmy Alapag.
His arrival with the Terraferma is good, they have some young talents, they just need veteran to help them more confident and I'm sure Cabagnot would do that for them.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
Nothing personal here, it's just a business and we have to accept that it happened.
I'm also surprised at first knowing there's another trade from the SMB roster, and Cabagnot being a clutch guy is traded for Enciso, I guess the SMB are looking for youth that's why they traded their older players.
Cabagnot is 38 years old and Arwind Santos is 40, they are already veterans, so we can understand the decision of the management.
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After trading Arwind Santos to NorthPort for Vic Manuel, here is another bigtime trade coming from SMB.
They traded Alex Cabagnot, one of the "Death 5" to TerraFirma for Simon Enciso.
https://cnnphilippines.com/sports/2021/11/13/Cabagnot-Enciso-trade.html
Who is the winner with this trade? Its hard to know at least for me since both of the teams have benefits with this trade. For TerraFirma, we know how good Cabagnot is in terms of leadership. He can share his experience to the young players of Dyip and can be a good leader to them as well like what he is doing when he is still in SMB. While for Enciso, he will be a good bench shooter like Pessumal. He will be a good addition since they have many 3point shooters already.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
They traded Alex Cabagnot, one of the "Death 5" to TerraFirma for Simon Enciso.
https://cnnphilippines.com/sports/2021/11/13/Cabagnot-Enciso-trade.html
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League powerhouse San Miguel Beermen parted ways with another veteran player as they shipped guard Alex Cabagnot to Terrafirma Dyip in exchange for Simon Enciso.
The Philippine Basketball Association Commissioner’s Office approved the trade on Saturday.
The Philippine Basketball Association Commissioner’s Office approved the trade on Saturday.
Who is the winner with this trade? Its hard to know at least for me since both of the teams have benefits with this trade. For TerraFirma, we know how good Cabagnot is in terms of leadership. He can share his experience to the young players of Dyip and can be a good leader to them as well like what he is doing when he is still in SMB. While for Enciso, he will be a good bench shooter like Pessumal. He will be a good addition since they have many 3point shooters already.
I didn't expect this trade though I already know that the "Death 5" will be breaking as they are old already. What are your thoughts with this?
I think TNT does not need to touch their roster, they have all the players they needed to win another championship.
Wiliams their rookie always play like an import, so they look like they have 2 imports playing which makes their team better compared to the others. I know that Ginebra will be the favorites to win this coming conference due to Brownlee but I have a feeling that TNT will not easily give that to them as they are more confident now, especially for players like Pogoy, Rosario, and others who won their first championship.
Both Rosario and Poguy are playing tough when the team needed them, they just allow Williams to care of the business but when the time that Williams needs help from his big Bro these two are ready to fire up and back Williams to continue dominating, we have seen them playing as a team and not just a Castro centered team.
The improvement of having coach Chot back, his mentorships provide inspiration to the team. We question back then why Williams is getting minutes during the early season of the Bubble.
We saw why he trusts his rookie and deserves that minute. He brings the title for this franchise and he will continue with the help of his teammates.
I hope to see the same explosive Williams that could easily provide points for the team, with the imports added it could affect his production but he will continue to be a threat because they can't double him when as that would open up the shooters of the TNT plus they have imports that are also good.
McKenzie Moore has not played with the NBA as we can see in his resume.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/mckenzie-moore-1.html
However, I know that he is good, otherwise TNT would not get him.
More dangerous, since aside from William's , Poguy also has that same caliber, they just can't double anyone, as giving free shots to anybody inside the court will easily be converted. That super rookie really has that advantage, though I also see the possibilities that his number will be lesser since import mostly take more shots than the regular players.
We can't conclude yet if what are the capabilities of each import and how they will help the teams 🤔
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team. 
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team. 
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team. I think TNT does not need to touch their roster, they have all the players they needed to win another championship.
Wiliams their rookie always play like an import, so they look like they have 2 imports playing which makes their team better compared to the others. I know that Ginebra will be the favorites to win this coming conference due to Brownlee but I have a feeling that TNT will not easily give that to them as they are more confident now, especially for players like Pogoy, Rosario, and others who won their first championship.
Both Rosario and Poguy are playing tough when the team needed them, they just allow Williams to care of the business but when the time that Williams needs help from his big Bro these two are ready to fire up and back Williams to continue dominating, we have seen them playing as a team and not just a Castro centered team.
The improvement of having coach Chot back, his mentorships provide inspiration to the team. We question back then why Williams is getting minutes during the early season of the Bubble.
We saw why he trusts his rookie and deserves that minute. He brings the title for this franchise and he will continue with the help of his teammates.
I hope to see the same explosive Williams that could easily provide points for the team, with the imports added it could affect his production but he will continue to be a threat because they can't double him when as that would open up the shooters of the TNT plus they have imports that are also good.
McKenzie Moore has not played with the NBA as we can see in his resume.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/mckenzie-moore-1.html
However, I know that he is good, otherwise TNT would not get him.
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team. CStan is not the problem, when he still playing with the Beerman he contribute a lot, so with Northport, the team managed to increase their winnings
I'm not sure about the problem with Gin kings seems that there's an internal issue with the players and the management, they are not playing the
same after winning the first bubble. And with some key players who are also not healthy from last season. Maybe Brownlee will find the right way
to lead this team and bring the spirit back.
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
Trade is to balance the team I guess and the management knows every risk of this one, since they are paying huge money just to make this kind of trade possible. If he is a good player, the can still perform but don't expect too much if you're the only top player because no one can lift the team up alone. I bellieve Northport is balanced team now, let's see if they can perform better as a team. I guess most of them played in the NBA but does not have a good career in the NBA. Justin Brownlee AFAIK did not play in the NBA but as we saw in the past conferences, he is still very competitive with the imports. What worries me now is that with some of the imports that are bigger than Brownlee, how would the Ginebra be able to defend the paint when they don't have a tall Center.
Physicality and Ginebra still has Aguilar and CStan which is I think still a good defender in the paint though I'm not pretty sure if they can defend and stop those imports especially the big ones knowing how big and strong some are. I'm thinking that Brownlee will let the local players of Ginebra defend the paint and he will just score and score like what he is doing back in the years. I guess I just missed Slaughter, you know, they struggled when they traded him and the Northport who receives him gets better, so maybe the Ginebra this new conference will not be the same team. Yes, Brownlee will score but we also have the opposing team who has an import that could score, so I can't be too confident now to see the same Ginebra team that won championships in the past.
When the Filipino Cup started, we saw the huge improvements of Slaughter when he is in NorthPort. He is more agile now, stronger and a better big than he is when he is in Ginebra. Overall, he improved when he got his training in other country. I also missed Slaughter but he improved when he got traded and that is a good thing for NorthPort. Lets see how Ginebra will adjust on their inside defense again now that they got CStan instead of Slaughter and its Governor's Cup.
If only they know how the team would work before the trade then they will not gonna make a mistake. Just like the Lakers when they thought they'll get better with Westbrook but the reality is they are not, their ranking is not what fans are expecting them to be. C Stan has been in different teams, he played with Northport, it doesn't work out as well, so most probably he is the problem.
we're on the upcoming new season again.
It's not actually a new season but a new conference, we are still in the same season.But anyway, it's not important how you call it, what matters is finally we will see the new face of a team with their import and import plays a vital role on the success of the team since they are usually the ones who will carry the team to win.
This is also a chance for a weak teams to get better as long as they get a good import.
Team plays are going to change with their imports. Just as the normal all Filipino conference, this is what we're waiting for. We want to see how they play their best together with their imports. As usual, more playing time for them. This is also a chance for a weak teams to get better as long as they get a good import.
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I guess most of them played in the NBA but does not have a good career in the NBA. Justin Brownlee AFAIK did not play in the NBA but as we saw in the past conferences, he is still very competitive with the imports. What worries me now is that with some of the imports that are bigger than Brownlee, how would the Ginebra be able to defend the paint when they don't have a tall Center.
Physicality and Ginebra still has Aguilar and CStan which is I think still a good defender in the paint though I'm not pretty sure if they can defend and stop those imports especially the big ones knowing how big and strong some are. I'm thinking that Brownlee will let the local players of Ginebra defend the paint and he will just score and score like what he is doing back in the years. I guess I just missed Slaughter, you know, they struggled when they traded him and the Northport who receives him gets better, so maybe the Ginebra this new conference will not be the same team. Yes, Brownlee will score but we also have the opposing team who has an import that could score, so I can't be too confident now to see the same Ginebra team that won championships in the past.
When the Filipino Cup started, we saw the huge improvements of Slaughter when he is in NorthPort. He is more agile now, stronger and a better big than he is when he is in Ginebra. Overall, he improved when he got his training in other country. I also missed Slaughter but he improved when he got traded and that is a good thing for NorthPort. Lets see how Ginebra will adjust on their inside defense again now that they got CStan instead of Slaughter and its Governor's Cup.
we're on the upcoming new season again.
It's not actually a new season but a new conference, we are still in the same season.But anyway, it's not important how you call it, what matters is finally we will see the new face of a team with their import and import plays a vital role on the success of the team since they are usually the ones who will carry the team to win.
This is also a chance for a weak teams to get better as long as they get a good import.
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