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Quote from: Sanitough on January 31, 2021, 07:10:59 AM

...and they can offer great salary to their players, and of course players could likely get a bonus or incentives as they have a chance of getting into the finals and win.

Salaries should not be part of the discussion here. It's not a problem if CJ got a special offer from SMB. It's personal stuff. There is no problem if teams want to get stronger but the recent CJ Perez trade isn't fair no matter how you looked at it.

The subject of the majority's concern is those players involved in the trade. CJ can be traded but DYIP should get good role players in return. If they want to rebuild, they can demand role players as CJ is a big fish. But they end up accepting those bench players and that was the issue insisting it's a fair trade.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 31, 2021, 02:39:09 PM

Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

What they see is that SMB is trying to form a super super team, they are already the favorites to win the championship because they have JMF but they still keep filling the team with talented players. They will get CJ in exchanges of bench players, that's too much to see because Terrafirma will become a very weak team as we don't know if that first pick rookie would be as good as CJ Perez.

And in relation to this news, Yeng Guiao tells PBA in wake of Perez trade: 'Listen to the fans'

Superteam within the lineup that they've got before CJ, SMB always wanted to make sure that they've got the big edge over the other franchise inside this league.

It's tough to resist since the offers that tey've got really allure players, with what Terrafirma will got, nothing compares to how CJ
contribute to this team.

It should be taken seriously by the league adminstrator, fans of SMB may love this trade but
it's not only SMB corporation but there are also different teams that will be affected of this move.

When Romeo was traded to SMB, people reacted because SMB gets a superstar from Northport, now they get a superstar from DYIP, so I think the league does not care about that, SMB will keep manipulating this league and they will get the best players. IMO, it's best if there will be more teams that will enter and owners should only be limited with one team for less control and manipulation.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

What they see is that SMB is trying to form a super super team, they are already the favorites to win the championship because they have JMF but they still keep filling the team with talented players. They will get CJ in exchanges of bench players, that's too much to see because Terrafirma will become a very weak team as we don't know if that first pick rookie would be as good as CJ Perez.

And in relation to this news, Yeng Guiao tells PBA in wake of Perez trade: 'Listen to the fans'

Superteam within the lineup that they've got before CJ, SMB always wanted to make sure that they've got the big edge over the other franchise inside this league.

It's tough to resist since the offers that tey've got really allure players, with what Terrafirma will got, nothing compares to how CJ
contribute to this team.

It should be taken seriously by the league adminstrator, fans of SMB may love this trade but
it's not only SMB corporation but there are also different teams that will be affected of this move.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

Whether you are a SMB fan or not, you know that this trade is very unfair and the reason of DYIP management isn't enough to justify their actions.

A star player in the future being traded with an exchange of 3 bench players and one draft pick?? I don't see the "real" reason behind this. Maybe the DYIP management wanted to free some salary because Perez' salary is quite high already for them and they want to have rookies that obviously have a lower salary.

I'm an SMB fan and I will be but this trade is unfair. Pick one of their star players too and add Pessumal at least then it will be a fair trade.

Pessumal is not a star of the team.. unfortunately big teams can get what they want because they have a high salary cap and they can offer great salary to their players, and of course players could likely get a bonus or incentives as they have a chance of getting into the finals and win.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

Whether you are a SMB fan or not, you know that this trade is very unfair and the reason of DYIP management isn't enough to justify their actions.

A star player in the future being traded with an exchange of 3 bench players and one draft pick?? I don't see the "real" reason behind this. Maybe the DYIP management wanted to free some salary because Perez' salary is quite high already for them and they want to have rookies that obviously have a lower salary.

I'm an SMB fan and I will be but this trade is unfair. Pick one of their star players too and add Pessumal at least then it will be a fair trade.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 30, 2021, 05:36:44 PM

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

They were just surprised, for PBA fans I'm sure they are happy because this will make their team better and with CJ Perez on board, that makes their future more secured as veterans like Arwind and Cabagnot will soon retire. CJ Perez is a scoring champ, he certainly will fit with the SMB and good pair with Fajardo due to his good passing skills.

Agree, I'm surprise as well as we were talking about other player that was asking his current team to be traded, but then this big news just came in and we didn't see it coming.

SMB is the best team in the PBA (whether you agree with me or not) even if they failed last season.

Fajardo as long as he is healthy will continue to bring this team to the championship, they don't need to be like a super team to win as they are already a super team. It's not only a shame for the SMB but for the entire organization as they allow to make a specific to be this strong while leaving the struggling team to struggle more.

Fajardo is already prone to injury and he is not getting any younger, at 31 years old now, he can still dominate but SMB management is seeing the future of the SMB so they have acted early to acquire a player that could lead the team. If Fajardo will retire, SMB will never be the same again because it's hard to find a big man as talented as Fajardo which really their main advantage now.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 30, 2021, 03:47:49 PM

Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

They were just surprised, for PBA fans I'm sure they are happy because this will make their team better and with CJ Perez on board, that makes their future more secured as veterans like Arwind and Cabagnot will soon retire. CJ Perez is a scoring champ, he certainly will fit with the SMB and good pair with Fajardo due to his good passing skills.

Agree, I'm surprise as well as we were talking about other player that was asking his current team to be traded, but then this big news just came in and we didn't see it coming.

SMB is the best team in the PBA (whether you agree with me or not) even if they failed last season.

Fajardo as long as he is healthy will continue to bring this team to the championship, they don't need to be like a super team to win as they are already a super team. It's not only a shame for the SMB but for the entire organization as they allow to make a specific to be this strong while leaving the struggling team to struggle more.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 30, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

They were just surprised, for PBA fans I'm sure they are happy because this will make their team better and with CJ Perez on board, that makes their future more secured as veterans like Arwind and Cabagnot will soon retire. CJ Perez is a scoring champ, he certainly will fit with the SMB and good pair with Fajardo due to his good passing skills.

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Looks like people are not happy with the trade of CJ Perez to the SMB.

What they see is that SMB is trying to form a super super team, they are already the favorites to win the championship because they have JMF but they still keep filling the team with talented players. They will get CJ in exchanges of bench players, that's too much to see because Terrafirma will become a very weak team as we don't know if that first pick rookie would be as good as CJ Perez.

And in relation to this news, Yeng Guiao tells PBA in wake of Perez trade: 'Listen to the fans'

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 29, 2021, 05:27:45 AM

SMB really always gets what they wanted lol.

Most of their frontcourt runners are aging so instead of waiting for those players to retire or slow down, they think of a plan to cover those.

I hope DYIP draftees will be a rising star soon. Like them to beat SMB with Perez on-board.

Power of money

. The league is already a competition between SMB teams and MVP teams.

I like the move of the SMB though and you are right that the star players of SMB are aging already (around 30+ years old) but what I don't like is the trade itself. What SMB will give isn't enough in terms of performance compare to what Perez can give to the team. If they will include one of their starters and add Pessumal on the trade talks then it will be a fair trade.

DYIP is already a good team if only they aren't giving their star players to other teams in exchange for some bench.

Quote from: agustina2 on January 29, 2021, 11:52:29 AM

SMB is the Favorite to win the All-Filipino and now become more Favorite because of the CJ Perez trade. Talents are now spread into those big companies only. The culture of PBA won't really be changed.

Players that seem to have potential will always be targeted by big companies.

I'm an SMB fan but this is too early to say because any team that has a good star players will be useless if they don't have chemistry and they will not execute well. Add adjustments too since this will be a huge adjustment for him (possible).

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Quote from: agustina2 on January 29, 2021, 11:52:29 AM

SMB is the Favorite to win the All-Filipino and now become more Favorite because of the CJ Perez trade. Talents are now spread into those big companies only. The culture of PBA won't really be changed.

Players that seem to have potential will always be targeted by big companies.

I have to disagree with this because it is not automatic for CJ Perez to jell well to the system of coach Austria. He may be a go to guy in his previous team but he has to adjust to SMB if ever this trade would push through.

We have seen many instances where a player having a talent level more on that of Perez landed on SMB but did not worked well with Fajardo. Cstand and Mo Tautoa are the great example of this scenario.

As i've said, the governor of Dyip has already said that this is a "fair trade" and they are willing to let go of their star player maybe because of a deep reason we don't know.

Little bit of trvia about the little beast:

He asked for a TF before he got interviewed Grin

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 29, 2021, 02:23:27 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on January 29, 2021, 11:52:29 AM

SMB is the Favorite to win the All-Filipino and now become more Favorite because of the CJ Perez trade. Talents are now spread into those big companies only. The culture of PBA won't really be changed.

Players that seem to have potential will always be targeted by big companies.

And players and their agents also aiming to land playing with big campanies (SMB & Pangilinan) is no secret that those stars / rising stars
are always in the list of this 2 comanies.

They are offering perks that players can't resist, even in returned they'll just sit and not going to play the same minutes that they've gotfrom their previous teams.

Players are more now with long term stability than showing the full potentials of their careers, is more on money
matters than bringing the talents that they've got. Well that's life and those players knows that their careers can
be ruined by major injuries so taking the money is far important than anything.

Very well said, it's the money is the main reason why they are playing for big teams, they got good offer while they are still young and healthy, they'll not hesitate to grab it, that's the reality that we can't deny, not only in PBA, even in bigger league like the NBA.

Parks is getting a chance to win a championship plus getting a good contract, I think that's really satisfying, unless he doesn't want to play anymore with the team, then he might look for another team, in his case, he can transfer to big teams that are not own by Pangilinan and that is only the SMB teams.

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Quote from: agustina2 on January 29, 2021, 11:52:29 AM

SMB is the Favorite to win the All-Filipino and now become more Favorite because of the CJ Perez trade. Talents are now spread into those big companies only. The culture of PBA won't really be changed.

Players that seem to have potential will always be targeted by big companies.

And players and their agents also aiming to land playing with big campanies (SMB & Pangilinan) is no secret that those stars / rising stars
are always in the list of this 2 comanies.

They are offering perks that players can't resist, even in returned they'll just sit and not going to play the same minutes that they've gotfrom their previous teams.

Players are more now with long term stability than showing the full potentials of their careers, is more on money
matters than bringing the talents that they've got. Well that's life and those players knows that their careers can
be ruined by major injuries so taking the money is far important than anything.

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SMB is the Favorite to win the All-Filipino and now become more Favorite because of the CJ Perez trade. Talents are now spread into those big companies only. The culture of PBA won't really be changed.

Players that seem to have potential will always be targeted by big companies.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 28, 2021, 05:09:53 PM

I think this is what you are talking about.

This still stands as the richest PBA player contract - at least on record

That's 80 million pesos, that's probably the biggest as that is equivalent to 10 million per year or php833,000 per month.

Yup, that's it. Then that means that they can go more than the max amount in the contract but they'll just put it onto bonuses and allowances which will make a superstar get into that contract. Well, only the best and most influential can get that max contract just like Kenneth Duremdes.

Quote from: Russlenat on January 28, 2021, 06:03:50 PM

Nice information guys, I never expect that it's happened in the PBA before, that was a huge amount compared to the contract the players are getting this season or in the past few season. I'm still not a big fan of PBA that time but I know some popular players like Kenneth Duremdes of course, that guy deserved a huge contract.

I think he was an exception because of his influence and very popular during his prime.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 29, 2021, 05:27:45 AM

SMB really always gets what they wanted lol.

Most of their frontcourt runners are aging so instead of waiting for those players to retire or slow down, they think of a plan to cover those.

Not only SMB, the big teams in the PBA that is own by the SMB group and the Pangilinan group.
Look what happen to Blackwater, they were doing great with Ray Parks then suddenly Ray Parks was traded to TNT.

Quote from: goinmerry on January 29, 2021, 05:27:45 AM

Like them to beat SMB with Perez on-board.

1% probability, lol.. sorry...

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SMB really always gets what they wanted lol.

Most of their frontcourt runners are aging so instead of waiting for those players to retire or slow down, they think of a plan to cover those.

I hope DYIP draftees will be a rising star soon. Like them to beat SMB with Perez on-board.

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Quote from: harizen on January 29, 2021, 02:23:02 AM

Hmmm... I was surprised by the Breaking News. No one sees this coming.

Terrafirma sends CJ Perez to San Miguel in blockbuster deal

What's the blockbuster deal here? What Terrafirma is thinking? They claimed it's hard to CJ Perez as he was the ace of the team but looked at those players they get in return. Hard to think that there's an under the table discussion here. SMB now added again another great talent.

Lower-tier teams now become more of a farming team but that would change if Terrafirma will able to pick some of the best draftees in the upcoming draft. Lots of rumored good prospects there.

The trade however is still subject to PBA approval but likely close to be approved as Terrafirma themselves claims it's a fair trade.

Rumors are already circulating online since last year or 2 years ago so SMB is eyeing in Perez from the start.

What surprised me is the players that the SMB will give to them. Alolino, Escoto who already in Dyip for quite some time and he will be back again in his former team, MGR who is a good defender and a draft pick this year. Not imbalance for me. The Dyip also want Pessumal to be traded to them but SMB management doesn't want it.

I'm a fan of SMB for years already but this is just a proof that the competitiveness of the league is slowly fading. Star players are just focused on a few teams and the other teams, it will be like a fertilizer to these big companies. They will just get players there and will trade some bench players. I just hope that Commissioner Marcial will not approve this trade or at least tweak and make the trade balance at least.

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Quote from: harizen on January 29, 2021, 02:23:02 AM

Hmmm... I was surprised by the Breaking News. No one sees this coming.

Terrafirma sends CJ Perez to San Miguel in blockbuster deal

What's the blockbuster deal here? What Terrafirma is thinking? They claimed it's hard to CJ Perez as he was the ace of the team but looked at those players they get in return. Hard to think that there's an under the table discussion here. SMB now added again another great talent.

Lower-tier teams now become more of a farming team but that would change if Terrafirma will able to pick some of the best draftees in the upcoming draft. Lots of rumored good prospects there.

The trade however is still subject to PBA approval but likely close to be approved as Terrafirma themselves claims it's a fair trade.

There is a rumor about this supposed trade circulating on social media and now it is starting to take it's shape.

One of the reason why Terrafirma would let go of CJ Perez is that there is no more harmony in the team with Perez around (don't know if this is true).

Team mates of his are frustrated of him always taking the winning shot but never got a win lol.

If the above reason is true then i could say that the deal is fair enough, better send away players who have attitude problem.

How good the SMB will become, CJ Perez will fit this team because although he is a good scorer, he is always a good passer, better than Romeo IMO. The only question now is if how they will build a chemistry under him as CJ will certainly be playing as a starter and he will take care of the offense more.

SMB getting better, and more if Fajardo will come back fully healthy.

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Quote from: harizen on January 29, 2021, 02:23:02 AM

Hmmm... I was surprised by the Breaking News. No one sees this coming.

Terrafirma sends CJ Perez to San Miguel in blockbuster deal

What's the blockbuster deal here? What Terrafirma is thinking? They claimed it's hard to CJ Perez as he was the ace of the team but looked at those players they get in return. Hard to think that there's an under the table discussion here. SMB now added again another great talent.

Lower-tier teams now become more of a farming team but that would change if Terrafirma will able to pick some of the best draftees in the upcoming draft. Lots of rumored good prospects there.

The trade however is still subject to PBA approval but likely close to be approved as Terrafirma themselves claims it's a fair trade.

There is a rumor about this supposed trade circulating on social media and now it is starting to take it's shape.

One of the reason why Terrafirma would let go of CJ Perez is that there is no more harmony in the team with Perez around (don't know if this is true).

Team mates of his are frustrated of him always taking the winning shot but never got a win lol.

If the above reason is true then i could say that the deal is fair enough, better send away players who have attitude problem.

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