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January 25, 2021, 05:25:15 AM
Cyrus Baguio finally retires after impressive 17-year PBA career

Veterans are leaving, it will open an opportunity for the young ones, Baguio though I have not seen his prime in the PBA, but I heard was really really good during his prime.

Another news.

Ping Exciminiano looking to reboot career with TnT franchise

TNT really need this kind of player, a guy who can put some pressure on a player he will defend, it will bring energy to the floor, I remember his days during with the Alaska and was still playing with the Calvin, he was really a contributor in the defensive side.
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January 23, 2021, 05:58:50 PM
Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Under the table is obviously not for public announcement. What's on that article you have shared is the "formal" way.

Try to analyze the salary of Romeo from GB to SMB, salary cap per team, salaries of all SMB roster, and you can make a picture out of it. Anyway, I won't push further at this discussion as I don't have any source or link. It's just that, it's impossible for me that there's no under the table there. Cheesy

If no source then it's just our own speculation, under the table usually happen in the Philippines it's not new actually, hehe..
I think Romeo requested to be traded and it happened, and when he was traded, he knows that he will only receive the same salary, maybe the under the table happened when he got renewed by the SMB, but regardless, he won a Finals MVP if I'm not mistaken, so that's more than an under the table money.

About the salary cap, I don't know if how much is the salary cap per team but there some report in the past that a salary cap was violated.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-p5-million-reward-for-whistle-blower-on-salary-cap-violation-a791-20200428
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January 23, 2021, 05:34:07 PM
Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Under the table is obviously not for public announcement. What's on that article you have shared is the "formal" way.

Try to analyze the salary of Romeo from GB to SMB, salary cap per team, salaries of all SMB roster, and you can make a picture out of it. Anyway, I won't push further at this discussion as I don't have any source or link. It's just that, it's impossible for me that there's no under the table there. Cheesy
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January 23, 2021, 05:30:16 PM
Do you guys remember the offer sheet of Tanduay Rum to Danny Ildenfonso I once shared on this thread? That is one hell of an offer and you can see there the amount of money they get when getting into the playoffs.

I did not read it here but I was curious so I did a search, and here's what I found.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/bonus-scheme-in-danny-ildefonso-offer-sheet-from-tanduay-a1374-20200507?ref=article_tag


The basic salary is very small compared to the bonuses, damn, that's why some players choose to be playing in a good team.
Thank you for sharing this. This is a controversial contract that shouldn't be in public but I guess they've released it because the years indicated were already passed.
But we have an idea for those bonuses with awards and the salary that they have for each of their contracts for a superstar like Ildefonso. I wonder how much it is today, I think it's more than what we see on this sheet.
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January 23, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
I don't think there's an under the table deal, SMB is a big company, all their cash flow are monitored and it's under the table, the player will violate the tax law as that is under declaration of salary. I think it's most likely that Terrence is after of the bonuses SMB management are giving because SMB is a team that is always favored to win a championship.

I believed in under the table. Of course, it won't be disclosed in public.

For SMB to acquired Terrence Romeo on the said trade, they need to deduct the salary of other SMB players to fit with PBA's salary cap. PBA has set a salary cap that's why Terrence ended up on Php 200,000 a month and a salary deduction for other players. If no under the table involved, then maybe, Terrence would end up below Php 200,000.

Bonuses are after the championship, not a fixed salary so for players to agree, there should be a separate discussion. It's legal since SMB is still following the PBA salary cap terms. There is no way SMB superstars will accept a salary deduction for just a Terrence Romeo without a good agreement with the SMB management. Smiley

Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

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Romeo, a 3-time PBA scoring champion, has been acquired by San Miguel in a trade with the KaTropa in exchange for Brian Heruela, David Semerad and a 2021 first round picks.
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Kai Sotto has never turned his back on the national team. Kai Sotto has formally announced that he would be joining Gilas Pilipinas in the FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers which the country will be hosting in February in a bubble in Clark, Pampanga.

NBA dream is over?

I don't know if you have the article in which Kai Sotto decided to go home and play for Gilas. This decision of his has spark a controversy with the netizens. If he play for Gilas, this means that he will leave G-league as it is a conflict with regards to scheduling.

What's your thought on this?

Does people around Kai Sotto finally give up of giving our country the dream of having the first pure Filipino blood to be playing in the NBA?   

https://www.cnnphilippines.com/sports/2021/1/21/Kai-Sotto-join-Gilas-February-window-FIBA-Asia-Cup-qualifiers.html
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January 23, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
I don't think there's an under the table deal, SMB is a big company, all their cash flow are monitored and it's under the table, the player will violate the tax law as that is under declaration of salary. I think it's most likely that Terrence is after of the bonuses SMB management are giving because SMB is a team that is always favored to win a championship.

I believed in under the table. Of course, it won't be disclosed in public.

For SMB to acquired Terrence Romeo on the said trade, they need to deduct the salary of other SMB players to fit with PBA's salary cap. PBA has set a salary cap that's why Terrence ended up on Php 200,000 a month and a salary deduction for other players. If no under the table involved, then maybe, Terrence would end up below Php 200,000.

Bonuses are after the championship, not a fixed salary so for players to agree, there should be a separate discussion. It's legal since SMB is still following the PBA salary cap terms. There is no way SMB superstars will accept a salary deduction for just a Terrence Romeo without a good agreement with the SMB management. Smiley
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January 23, 2021, 06:10:04 AM
Do you guys remember the offer sheet of Tanduay Rum to Danny Ildenfonso I once shared on this thread? That is one hell of an offer and you can see there the amount of money they get when getting into the playoffs.

I did not read it here but I was curious so I did a search, and here's what I found.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/bonus-scheme-in-danny-ildefonso-offer-sheet-from-tanduay-a1374-20200507?ref=article_tag


The basic salary is very small compared to the bonuses, damn, that's why some players choose to be playing in a good team.
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January 23, 2021, 05:10:54 AM
I remember that perks but SMB is still the best in terms of providing serious offers,
The very reason why every players desire to take part of their company.

Definitely, that's why it's the SMB teams who are dominating the PBA because they are full of talents.

Last time it was the San Miguel Beermen who became champion and it's Ginebra in the previous season, and next season, the favorites will only be between the two. I think TNT is a big group as well, but unfortunately, they just can't win against a veteran SMB teams.
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January 22, 2021, 07:48:53 PM

Php200K might be small to a player with a talent like Terrence Romeo but what they are after is the incentives and bonuses when they are in the playoffs and fighting for the championships in which SMB is always doing and some of them were offered endorsement deal, maybe that is what you mean "under the table" but actually that's part of the contract.

Aside from that legal incentives for sure there's additional offers that we might not be aware, but thanks for providing that information, most of the time player transfer to another team due to an offer that they can't resist, or some might be interested in winning a title so instead of staying and treated as a superstar they tend to transfer joining co-superstars to win a ring.


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Do you guys remember the offer sheet of Tanduay Rum to Danny Ildenfonso I once shared on this thread? That is one hell of an offer and you can see there the amount of money they get when getting into the playoffs.



I remember that perks but SMB is still the best in terms of providing serious offers,
The very reason why every players desire to take part of their company.
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January 22, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
Not bad for Justin Chua.

After losing MIP award, Justin Chua wins new three-year Phoenix deal

Good things will come for players who are working hard to improve.

Though he did not win the Most Improved Player award but we can see how improve he was during the last season. He is still young, he will eventually win one if he continues to work hard for his team.

There's really no transparency in the contract amount, I tried to find the amount of contract in 3 years but I cannot find it.  Justin Chua is an important player for the team due to his hassle, I think he is also making a decent salary like the stars of the team, maybe lower a bit. He is already 31 years old based on the article, it's not young IMO but his maturity in the game has already improved, he is a versatile big man as he is also confident in shooting 3 points.

Maximum salary cap of a PBA player is P420,000 monthly, which is P5.04 million annually, that  offer is for those who so-called superstar.
If he signed a 3-year deal mostly he gain something near to that.

I read an article where a star like Terrence Romeo only get P200K per month after joining the SMB franchise, he sacrifices his salary for the sake of winning a title? not sure but in the event of formality or for the sake of team's salary cap he might be getting that in paper
but there are more behind it something like under the table deal.

Php200K might be small to a player with a talent like Terrence Romeo but what they are after is the incentives and bonuses when they are in the playoffs and fighting for the championships in which SMB is always doing and some of them were offered endorsement deal, maybe that is what you mean "under the table" but actually that's part of the contract.

Do you guys remember the offer sheet of Tanduay Rum to Danny Ildenfonso I once shared on this thread? That is one hell of an offer and you can see there the amount of money they get when getting into the playoffs.

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January 22, 2021, 06:35:18 PM
Maximum salary cap of a PBA player is P420,000 monthly, which is P5.04 million annually, that  offer is for those who so-called superstar.
If he signed a 3-year deal mostly he gain something near to that.

I read an article where a star like Terrence Romeo only get P200K per month after joining the SMB franchise, he sacrifices his salary for the sake of winning a title? not sure but in the event of formality or for the sake of team's salary cap he might be getting that in paper
but there are more behind it something like under the table deal.
After that title for Romeo, he will have an increase for sure. But the incentives that SMB will give to its players and franchise, they are for sure going to be generous after all that has been done.
I want to ask guys if the PBA management has coordination with the contracts that are the franchises giving to their players? since we're already talking about contracts and salary.
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January 22, 2021, 06:27:33 PM
Just like the mentality of RR Pogoy.

https://pba.ph/news/perez-says-its-team-first-more-than-individual-honor
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Perez says its team first more than individual honor

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CJ Perez doesn't mind ending up empty-handed in the last PBA Special Awards Night.

For him, it's still team above everything else.

But the big question is, can he carry his team with the present line up? He is the only star of the team, A Gilas player, compared to other teams where their rosters are filled with Gilas players, particularly the SMB teams. I think it will take time for this team to be a championship contender and I'm afraid that CJ Perez will realize someday that he is just wasting his talent in his present team. Hopefully that time will not come.
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January 22, 2021, 05:48:19 PM
Not bad for Justin Chua.

After losing MIP award, Justin Chua wins new three-year Phoenix deal

Good things will come for players who are working hard to improve.

Though he did not win the Most Improved Player award but we can see how improve he was during the last season. He is still young, he will eventually win one if he continues to work hard for his team.

There's really no transparency in the contract amount, I tried to find the amount of contract in 3 years but I cannot find it.  Justin Chua is an important player for the team due to his hassle, I think he is also making a decent salary like the stars of the team, maybe lower a bit. He is already 31 years old based on the article, it's not young IMO but his maturity in the game has already improved, he is a versatile big man as he is also confident in shooting 3 points.

Maximum salary cap of a PBA player is P420,000 monthly, which is P5.04 million annually, that  offer is for those who so-called superstar.
If he signed a 3-year deal mostly he gain something near to that.

I read an article where a star like Terrence Romeo only get P200K per month after joining the SMB franchise, he sacrifices his salary for the sake of winning a title? not sure but in the event of formality or for the sake of team's salary cap he might be getting that in paper
but there are more behind it something like under the table deal.

I don't think there's an under the table deal, SMB is a big company, all their cash flow are monitored and it's under the table, the player will violate the tax law as that is under declaration of salary. I think it's most likely that Terrence is after of the bonuses SMB management are giving because SMB is a team that is always favored to win a championship.
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January 22, 2021, 01:27:42 PM
Not bad for Justin Chua.

After losing MIP award, Justin Chua wins new three-year Phoenix deal

Good things will come for players who are working hard to improve.

Though he did not win the Most Improved Player award but we can see how improve he was during the last season. He is still young, he will eventually win one if he continues to work hard for his team.

There's really no transparency in the contract amount, I tried to find the amount of contract in 3 years but I cannot find it.  Justin Chua is an important player for the team due to his hassle, I think he is also making a decent salary like the stars of the team, maybe lower a bit. He is already 31 years old based on the article, it's not young IMO but his maturity in the game has already improved, he is a versatile big man as he is also confident in shooting 3 points.

Maximum salary cap of a PBA player is P420,000 monthly, which is P5.04 million annually, that  offer is for those who so-called superstar.
If he signed a 3-year deal mostly he gain something near to that.

I read an article where a star like Terrence Romeo only get P200K per month after joining the SMB franchise, he sacrifices his salary for the sake of winning a title? not sure but in the event of formality or for the sake of team's salary cap he might be getting that in paper
but there are more behind it something like under the table deal.
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January 22, 2021, 08:28:31 AM
Not bad for Justin Chua.

After losing MIP award, Justin Chua wins new three-year Phoenix deal

Good things will come for players who are working hard to improve.

Though he did not win the Most Improved Player award but we can see how improve he was during the last season. He is still young, he will eventually win one if he continues to work hard for his team.

There's really no transparency in the contract amount, I tried to find the amount of contract in 3 years but I cannot find it.  Justin Chua is an important player for the team due to his hassle, I think he is also making a decent salary like the stars of the team, maybe lower a bit. He is already 31 years old based on the article, it's not young IMO but his maturity in the game has already improved, he is a versatile big man as he is also confident in shooting 3 points.

It's always been that way, even at JMF the best player in the PBA, we don't know what his actual salary is, so let's just assume that they are paid well that's why they are still choosing the PBA league despite there's other existing basketball league in the Philippines.
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January 22, 2021, 05:17:45 AM
Not bad for Justin Chua.

After losing MIP award, Justin Chua wins new three-year Phoenix deal

Good things will come for players who are working hard to improve.

Though he did not win the Most Improved Player award but we can see how improve he was during the last season. He is still young, he will eventually win one if he continues to work hard for his team.
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January 21, 2021, 05:19:08 PM
While we are seeing some players are signing a new contract, we did not noticed that Sol still has no contract in the PBA.

Do you think it's the end of this career?

Come to think of it, it's impossible that teams aren't aware that Sol Mercado is a free agent prior to entering the bubble. Teams have a list for that and always updated. And players have a so-called agent that reaches teams in case of negotiating a deal.

Sol Mercardo said that teams aren't aware that he's a free agent so by the time they learned it, most teams now have a full roster.

I'm thinking the other way. Likely, no teams are interested. On the positive side, Sol is still better than those young players today that still underperforming in the league so a veteran contract still makes sense. With around 3 months to go before the opening of the new conference, there's a chance that Sol might get another shot playing on the league.

I've never heard of this league, but would be very curious to see how different it is from the NBA.

Nice to see OG lurking in this thread. Smiley Since some already answered your questions, I will respond to this question instead.

To summarized, PBA season is composed of 3 conferences so yes, there will be 3 champion teams in a season. And the total overall games here is just around 36 games (not including playoffs), a bit fewer to 72-82 games of NBA excluded of the pre-season and playoffs games. And since it's PBA, only Filipino citizens are allowed to be sign except when hiring imports on 2 conferences.
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January 21, 2021, 05:13:26 PM
What platforms allow betting on the PBA? 
popular sportsbook offers the betting odds, such us, bitsler, sportsbet, nitrogensports, stake, cloudbet and even betbtc.
Don't search the betting odds yet as the PBA season has not started yet, it will start this coming April this year according to news.


Is there an online outlet that will stream these games for free?  I've never heard of this league, but would be very curious to see how different it is from the NBA.  Have any of the Philippine Basketball Association players ever made it to the NBA or the G-league?

In most cases, popular sports betting websites here covered PBA betting. The PBA just finished the last season a month ago so there's no betting yet.
The live streaming can be watch in the link provided in their official website https://pba.ph/, we can also follow this facebook fage https://web.facebook.com/OneSportsPHL, they give live streaming link as well. No youtube streaming for now, they removed it, all you see in youtube are only commentary live streaming.
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What platforms allow betting on the PBA?  Is there an online outlet that will stream these games for free?  I've never heard of this league, but would be very curious to see how different it is from the NBA.  Have any of the Philippine Basketball Association players ever made it to the NBA or the G-league?

In most cases, popular sports betting websites here covered PBA betting. The PBA just finished the last season a month ago so there's no betting yet.

Is there an online outlet that will stream these games for free?

Sports5 Youtube Channel.

Have any of the Philippine Basketball Association players ever made it to the NBA or the G-league?

100% pure-blooded Filipino, none. But with Filipino roots, they either played directly on the States or already a citizen there.
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