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Quote from: Sanitough on February 22, 2024, 01:34:33 PM

By the way, this Sunday we have another game and it will be held in the Philippines.

Yes, this will be this coming Sunday at the Philsports Arena. I'm sure the fans will come and support the new Gilas. After their dominating win versus Hong Kong, they are now oozing with confidence, and I have no doubt that they can beat Chinese Taipei, but not sure if it's still a blowout win for Gilas. At this current lineup, my confidence is very high because I saw how they move the ball to find an open shooter, but against a tougher opponent, we will see if their chemistry will still work out.

Trivia, this Philsports Arena has a maximum capacity of 10,000 according to wiki... Can the fans fill this arena?

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Quote from: xLays on February 22, 2024, 01:16:01 PM

Just watched some highlights of the FIBA Asia Cup qualifier between Philippines and Hong Kong. Well Gilas played well but from what I can see, the Hong Kong team is quite easy to beat. Also, I have noticed that Gilas Pilipinas has really improved; Justin Brownlee knows and understand how his team plays. Kai Sotto has shown bit of improvement and has toned down his energy as I can see from his gestures. KQ can shoot every shot really well; I like this kid.and hopefully someday he can play in the NBA. What do you think mga kababayan, Olympics or not?

I was also amazed by the comments from the fans as it seems they like the system now. These players are playing great basketball, the ball movement was very impressive and they are not afraid to shoot. I think with this lineup, I have no doubt that they will be the champion in the FIBA Asian Cup.

For those who haven't seen it yet, he's the highlights of the game. Gilas Pilipinas vs. Hong Kong window 1 game highlights | FIBA Asia Cup 2025 Qualifiers

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/gilas-pilipinas-beats-hong-kong-in-fiba-asia-cup-qualifier-a795-20240222

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The scores:
Philippines 94 – Brownlee 16, Quiambao 15, Sotto 13, Malonzo 11, Ramos 9, Newsome 7, Aguilar 6, Oftana 5, Perez 5, Thompson 5, Tamayo 2.

Hong Kong 64 – Leung 15, Xu 13, Yeung 12, Reid 12, Yang 5, Tsoi 4, So 3, Hon 0, Liu 0, Tam 0, Wong 0, Chan 0.

Quarters: 23-15; 41-37; 71-46; 94-64.

By the way, this Sunday we have another game and it will be held in the Philippines.

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Just watched some highlights of the FIBA Asia Cup qualifier between Philippines and Hong Kong. Well Gilas played well but from what I can see, the Hong Kong team is quite easy to beat. Also, I have noticed that Gilas Pilipinas has really improved; Justin Brownlee knows and understand how his team plays. Kai Sotto has shown bit of improvement and has toned down his energy as I can see from his gestures. KQ can shoot every shot really well; I like this kid.and hopefully someday he can play in the NBA. What do you think mga kababayan, Olympics or not?

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Quote from: Maslate on February 22, 2024, 12:26:44 PM

Have you guys read a rumor about Greg Slaughter signing with Ginebra again? I just saw a post on Facebook about this but could not confirm if that was really true, as there hasn't been an article online that gives more details about this. I was just thinking, if he will sign with Ginebra again, that would make this team a good contender in the All-Filipino Cup. JMF and Greg Slaughter are a good match, and every time they play against each other, it is always a very competitive match individually.

I didn't read yet anything about that rumor but there's a chance for it to become possible.

Greg Slaughter is currently in contract for his Japan B-League stint for the 2023-24 season which will end up I think in May and June. The team won't surely make it to the postseason. The restart of the PBA conference might probably happen in a couple of months, and by that time Greg should be free from any contract unless there will be a contract extension on his current team.

If happens, the timing is good since right now Ginebra is lacking a big man as Japeth Aguilar's performance is now declining and only playing limited minutes while Christian Standhardinger is now injury-prone and might not be able to return to his usual shape for good. Jamie Malonzo can play at Position 5 but he's more effective as a Power Forward.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 22, 2024, 12:49:47 PM

Quote from: Maslate on February 22, 2024, 12:26:44 PM

Have you guys read a rumor about Greg Slaughter signing with Ginebra again? I just saw a post on Facebook about this but could not confirm if that was really true, as there hasn't been an article online that gives more details about this. I was just thinking, if he will sign with Ginebra again, that would make this team a good contender in the All-Filipino Cup. JMF and Greg Slaughter are a good match, and every time they play against each other, it is always a very competitive match individually.

There are lots of fake posts on Facebook, so rumors might be baseless without proof that it's really possible. Well, before Slaughter could really match JMF, but we haven't seen him anymore on how he is playing now. I believe he is playing overseas, but I guess he's not doing well since our vloggers are not making videos of him. That only means he is not interesting to watch. We'll see how these rumors will unfold; perhaps we can find some posters here that could provide more details regarding this.

You maybe have a point there, let's just wait for the development of this rumor as I'm hoping it will come into reality. And there's a sense of urgency for the Ginebra to acquire a big man since Japeth aren't the same anymore, they can't match JMF in the paint without a dominant big man like Greg.

We have this news too that he is still playing in Japan with his current team.

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"Greg Slaughter will be back with Rizing Zephyr Fukuoka for the 2023-24 season," the post said.

https://www.onesports.ph/more-sports/article/12973/greg-slaughter-extends-stay-in-japan

So in order for him to play in the Philippines, he'll need to finish the season which I don't know when will end, or terminate it prematurely with the approval of the team owner/s.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 22, 2024, 12:26:44 PM

Have you guys read a rumor about Greg Slaughter signing with Ginebra again? I just saw a post on Facebook about this but could not confirm if that was really true, as there hasn't been an article online that gives more details about this. I was just thinking, if he will sign with Ginebra again, that would make this team a good contender in the All-Filipino Cup. JMF and Greg Slaughter are a good match, and every time they play against each other, it is always a very competitive match individually.

There are lots of fake posts on Facebook, so rumors might be baseless without proof that it's really possible. Well, before Slaughter could really match JMF, but we haven't seen him anymore on how he is playing now. I believe he is playing overseas, but I guess he's not doing well since our vloggers are not making videos of him. That only means he is not interesting to watch. We'll see how these rumors will unfold; perhaps we can find some posters here that could provide more details regarding this.

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Have you guys read a rumor about Greg Slaughter signing with Ginebra again? I just saw a post on Facebook about this but could not confirm if that was really true, as there hasn't been an article online that gives more details about this. I was just thinking, if he will sign with Ginebra again, that would make this team a good contender in the All-Filipino Cup. JMF and Greg Slaughter are a good match, and every time they play against each other, it is always a very competitive match individually.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 21, 2024, 08:07:50 AM

Quote from: Questat on February 21, 2024, 07:40:23 AM

I agree that it's a timely manner to show his matureness, just like what you said, there are highlights from the previous league that he's playing where he already showing good numbers which is very important to build his confidence.

We will all be seeing how they will execute all those hard works during their practice, I believe that the game will help them and teach them how to work and play as one.

And as we look at his physical looks, he is still young. As long as he stays healthy, he will keep improving. The good thing for him is that he has been given a lot of opportunities to play in a competitive league. Now, with the FIBA Asia Qualifier, if he is up for a challenge, he will step up here.

He does resemble Wemby, though, but of course, Wemby is better since he is already in the NBA. Well, I believe that there's a chance for Kai to make it to the NBA, but he needs to be consistent, and this FIBA Asia tournament is another big stage to showcase his talent. Since Gilas Pilipinas won the Asian Games last year, they will be playing with boosted confidence, especially Brownlee, who just came back after a ban.

Regarding the betting odds, it's okay if they're not available now since the game is tomorrow at 8:00 PM in the evening. Still plenty of time. As for how to watch this, I hope Pilipinas Live has coverage so that we won't have to rely on illegal streams and avoid interruptions.

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Quote from: Questat on February 21, 2024, 07:40:23 AM

So tomorrow Gilas vs Hongkong

In Feb 25, Gilas vs Chinese Taipei ( this will in our country)

Haven't seen the betting odds of this fight yet.

We will see the betting odds tomorrow. I checked with my bookie now, but I only see the odds for the "FIBA Americup Qualifiers." Perhaps this event is not so popular, which is why it's still not available. Let's be patient and wait until tomorrow. Hopefully, we can provide an update here, so those willing to bet but unable to find where to risk their money can get an idea.

Quote from: Fredomago on February 21, 2024, 07:54:14 AM

With coach Tim, I think he will be utilize with both Japeth and JMF mentoring him it will be easy for him to developed that good blend to his teammates, just a matter of how they will create a good system for him, as he's a two-way player, he can protect the rim and bring decent numbers of rebounds plus his capability to score when he got a good looks to take the shot.

It's a different coach, so we might see a different outcome in his performance. FIBA Asia isn't as competitive as the FIBA World Cup. Kai Sotto has played in different countries and on different leagues. I believe he has a lot to offer, but he hasn't been discovered or utilized to his full potential yet.

Quote from: Questat on February 21, 2024, 07:40:23 AM

I agree that it's a timely manner to show his matureness, just like what you said, there are highlights from the previous league that he's playing where he already showing good numbers which is very important to build his confidence.

We will all be seeing how they will execute all those hard works during their practice, I believe that the game will help them and teach them how to work and play as one.

And as we look at his physical looks, he is still young. As long as he stays healthy, he will keep improving. The good thing for him is that he has been given a lot of opportunities to play in a competitive league. Now, with the FIBA Asia Qualifier, if he is up for a challenge, he will step up here.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 21, 2024, 07:14:09 AM

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I think JMF can play, but they are giving him a rest since they know they are capable of beating those two teams. JMF and AJ Edu were crucial during their Asian Games championship run, but now they won't be playing, and instead, Japeth will be on the court. While Japeth may not contribute as much on points, he can still be reliable in terms of defense, even if he isn't the same as before. However, with Tim Cone as the coach, I trust him to make the most out of this lineup and be successful in these two games.

He was forced to play during the finals as they needed him. But this one might be too physical since there are lots of big guys, and he doesn't want to risk himself playing not at 100%. JMF has a lot of injury history already, and he is better when he is fully healthy, like as healthy as he was when they won a championship in the Asian Games. Honestly, I think Edu is more effective, but since he is also out, other bigs should step up, and hopefully, Japeth will turn back the time.

It will be a good test for Kai, as he will be playing most of the time since both JMF and Edu are out coach Tim will utilize him and knowing how good JBL he will also use Kai's advantage in terms of their offense, I'm not looking for Japeth as age and all those injuries might slow him he will be there to bring aid for Kai and for all those big young guns.

We will see how and what are the plans, good thing that they are preparing much earlier and PBA is letting them to work out and do the drills and practices to know more about the system that coach Tim wants to execute.

Maybe it's just timely because Kai is now regaining his confidence. I've seen some highlights from some of his recent games where he was able to score 20+ points, and the shot-blocking is still there. Having him on the team will help Gilas improve their defense. I'm excited about this since it could be the first time we see Kai getting some good minutes, unlike in the FIBA World Cup, where despite his length, he could easily be abused in the paint, resulting in him getting limited minutes.

With coach Tim, I think he will be utilize with both Japeth and JMF mentoring him it will be easy for him to developed that good blend to his teammates, just a matter of how they will create a good system for him, as he's a two-way player, he can protect the rim and bring decent numbers of rebounds plus his capability to score when he got a good looks to take the shot.

I agree that it's a timely manner to show his matureness, just like what you said, there are highlights from the previous league that he's playing where he already showing good numbers which is very important to build his confidence.

We will all be seeing how they will execute all those hard works during their practice, I believe that the game will help them and teach them how to work and play as one.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 21, 2024, 07:14:09 AM

Maybe it's just timely because Kai is now regaining his confidence. I've seen some highlights from some of his recent games where he was able to score 20+ points, and the shot-blocking is still there. Having him on the team will help Gilas improve their defense. I'm excited about this since it could be the first time we see Kai getting some good minutes, unlike in the FIBA World Cup, where despite his length, he could easily be abused in the paint, resulting in him getting limited minutes.

Kai is still young, of course he will eventually improve. Now that the team is relying so much on him in the paint, he will surely do his best to help the team. Gilas is lucky that despite Kai having a contract with overseas team, he still find a way to represent the country to help them.

We can see his statistics here on his current team/

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kai-Sotto/Summary/133946

So tomorrow Gilas vs Hongkong

In Feb 25, Gilas vs Chinese Taipei ( this will in our country)

Haven't seen the betting odds of this fight yet.

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Quote from: Fredomago on February 20, 2024, 06:57:43 PM

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 19, 2024, 09:31:16 AM

I think JMF can play, but they are giving him a rest since they know they are capable of beating those two teams. JMF and AJ Edu were crucial during their Asian Games championship run, but now they won't be playing, and instead, Japeth will be on the court. While Japeth may not contribute as much on points, he can still be reliable in terms of defense, even if he isn't the same as before. However, with Tim Cone as the coach, I trust him to make the most out of this lineup and be successful in these two games.

He was forced to play during the finals as they needed him. But this one might be too physical since there are lots of big guys, and he doesn't want to risk himself playing not at 100%. JMF has a lot of injury history already, and he is better when he is fully healthy, like as healthy as he was when they won a championship in the Asian Games. Honestly, I think Edu is more effective, but since he is also out, other bigs should step up, and hopefully, Japeth will turn back the time.

It will be a good test for Kai, as he will be playing most of the time since both JMF and Edu are out coach Tim will utilize him and knowing how good JBL he will also use Kai's advantage in terms of their offense, I'm not looking for Japeth as age and all those injuries might slow him he will be there to bring aid for Kai and for all those big young guns.

We will see how and what are the plans, good thing that they are preparing much earlier and PBA is letting them to work out and do the drills and practices to know more about the system that coach Tim wants to execute.

Maybe it's just timely because Kai is now regaining his confidence. I've seen some highlights from some of his recent games where he was able to score 20+ points, and the shot-blocking is still there. Having him on the team will help Gilas improve their defense. I'm excited about this since it could be the first time we see Kai getting some good minutes, unlike in the FIBA World Cup, where despite his length, he could easily be abused in the paint, resulting in him getting limited minutes.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 20, 2024, 08:08:34 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on February 19, 2024, 09:31:16 AM

I think JMF can play, but they are giving him a rest since they know they are capable of beating those two teams. JMF and AJ Edu were crucial during their Asian Games championship run, but now they won't be playing, and instead, Japeth will be on the court. While Japeth may not contribute as much on points, he can still be reliable in terms of defense, even if he isn't the same as before. However, with Tim Cone as the coach, I trust him to make the most out of this lineup and be successful in these two games.

He was forced to play during the finals as they needed him. But this one might be too physical since there are lots of big guys, and he doesn't want to risk himself playing not at 100%. JMF has a lot of injury history already, and he is better when he is fully healthy, like as healthy as he was when they won a championship in the Asian Games. Honestly, I think Edu is more effective, but since he is also out, other bigs should step up, and hopefully, Japeth will turn back the time.

It will be a good test for Kai, as he will be playing most of the time since both JMF and Edu are out coach Tim will utilize him and knowing how good JBL he will also use Kai's advantage in terms of their offense, I'm not looking for Japeth as age and all those injuries might slow him he will be there to bring aid for Kai and for all those big young guns.

We will see how and what are the plans, good thing that they are preparing much earlier and PBA is letting them to work out and do the drills and practices to know more about the system that coach Tim wants to execute.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 19, 2024, 09:31:16 AM

I think JMF can play, but they are giving him a rest since they know they are capable of beating those two teams. JMF and AJ Edu were crucial during their Asian Games championship run, but now they won't be playing, and instead, Japeth will be on the court. While Japeth may not contribute as much on points, he can still be reliable in terms of defense, even if he isn't the same as before. However, with Tim Cone as the coach, I trust him to make the most out of this lineup and be successful in these two games.

He was forced to play during the finals as they needed him. But this one might be too physical since there are lots of big guys, and he doesn't want to risk himself playing not at 100%. JMF has a lot of injury history already, and he is better when he is fully healthy, like as healthy as he was when they won a championship in the Asian Games. Honestly, I think Edu is more effective, but since he is also out, other bigs should step up, and hopefully, Japeth will turn back the time.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 19, 2024, 07:53:28 AM

Not good news for Gilas, who will be playing in the FIBA Asia qualifying without JMF. It was reported today that he will be sitting out, and they will use Japeth as their big man. It's indeed a different scenario without Fajardo playing, but let's trust them. The positive note is that Brownlee is back and can still lead the team.

Here's the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/japeth-aguilar-gilas-call-up-fajardo-sits-out-hk-qualifier-a795-20240219

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JAPETH Aguilar has been called up by Gilas Pilipinas in the first window of the Fiba Asia Cup 2025 qualifiers.

Gilas Pilipinas coach Tim Cone said Aguilar will suit up for the games against Hong Kong on February 22 and Chinese Taipei on February 25 with June Mar Fajardo and AJ Edu out due to injuries.

I think JMF can play, but they are giving him a rest since they know they are capable of beating those two teams. JMF and AJ Edu were crucial during their Asian Games championship run, but now they won't be playing, and instead, Japeth will be on the court. While Japeth may not contribute as much on points, he can still be reliable in terms of defense, even if he isn't the same as before. However, with Tim Cone as the coach, I trust him to make the most out of this lineup and be successful in these two games.

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Not good news for Gilas, who will be playing in the FIBA Asia qualifying without JMF. It was reported today that he will be sitting out, and they will use Japeth as their big man. It's indeed a different scenario without Fajardo playing, but let's trust them. The positive note is that Brownlee is back and can still lead the team.

Here's the news. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/japeth-aguilar-gilas-call-up-fajardo-sits-out-hk-qualifier-a795-20240219

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JAPETH Aguilar has been called up by Gilas Pilipinas in the first window of the Fiba Asia Cup 2025 qualifiers.

Gilas Pilipinas coach Tim Cone said Aguilar will suit up for the games against Hong Kong on February 22 and Chinese Taipei on February 25 with June Mar Fajardo and AJ Edu out due to injuries.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 17, 2024, 11:11:13 AM

If that does not change in the future, then this league will slowly lose its credibility. When someone or a group of people has a significant influence on a certain league, it's likely that they can manipulate the outcome of the game as well. This is something that has never happened in the NBA, where team owners typically only own one team. Despite this, there are still rumors that the NBA uses referees to influence the game. If such rumors were to arise, how much more vulnerable would the PBA be with the kind of influence that big team owners have?

This league already loses its credibility, the only reason why they are still here is because of money.
We know how they manipulate the games and the PBA management can’t do anything to address this issues because of the rich people behind every teams, money talks in PBA. If they really want to improve the league then they should start cutting any under the table agreement with the teams, and start making rules that will benefit the league and the other stakeholders.

Sad reality and there's nothing that the league facilatators can do, it's the big bosses that runs the entire league, they can easily get whatever they want whenever they need it. Like what you said, the league's credibility has been long forgotten, with how the league being managed now, most of the time either SMC or MVP will be rewarded to whatever deals they wanted to be part even the deal is very far from the actual realization.

What the boss wants, is what PBA management will provide, same with your sentiment, is likely more about how money manipulates the system a corrupted organization that being ruled by corrupt billionaires.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 17, 2024, 11:11:13 AM

If that does not change in the future, then this league will slowly lose its credibility. When someone or a group of people has a significant influence on a certain league, it's likely that they can manipulate the outcome of the game as well. This is something that has never happened in the NBA, where team owners typically only own one team. Despite this, there are still rumors that the NBA uses referees to influence the game. If such rumors were to arise, how much more vulnerable would the PBA be with the kind of influence that big team owners have?

This league already loses its credibility, the only reason why they are still here is because of money.
We know how they manipulate the games and the PBA management can’t do anything to address this issues because of the rich people behind every teams, money talks in PBA. If they really want to improve the league then they should start cutting any under the table agreement with the teams, and start making rules that will benefit the league and the other stakeholders.

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I heard rumors about this but it seems like the PBA are not interested with it. Although I believe they already know that the league is losing popularity, they still keep the current set up of teams, and worst it looks like one farm team is confirm added.

They will loss control if they will allow that. And in most industry, they already have business. If they will open for more teams, maybe other liquor businesses will also join and create their team, that would be competiting on their business. Ginebra and SMB are very popular in the Philippines, they own majority of the market so why would they allow their competitors to be popular?

If the PBA would like a change, they need to replace the higher management as I believe they are working just like a puppet, it's still MVP and SMB who are controlling the league, so they have the final say. If there's TNT, will they allow globe? I doubt.

That is what competition is for, they can't monopolize it because this league is for everyone. If there's a lot of politics within the league, we won't be able to get talented players that will represent our country in the international competition. So if these two big team owners will not influence the decision of those who run the league, they can choose the best players to represent our country, regardless on what team he is playing.

Have you observe that when coach Chot was still in charge on Gilas, most of the players are from TNT, now that Tim Cone is the coach, he's also getting the SMB players, but the good thing is they won a championship, so people did not complain on that.

That's given I guess because it's not the league that are supporting our national team since they cannot afford it. As we can see on the international games, they are wearing the company name of either TNT or SMB, depending who help them in that competition. So yes, there's a big influence by these giant owners to dictate the officials of the league, and that influence will continue as long as there's no changes on the current rules and set up.

Without MVP and SMB, this league might also not be able to give a decent salary to its players, because I believe that once a player sign with the SMB or MVP team, they are given bigger salalry compared to other teams. They say there's a salary cap but it was only on paper, it was not implemented.

If that does not change in the future, then this league will slowly lose its credibility. When someone or a group of people has a significant influence on a certain league, it's likely that they can manipulate the outcome of the game as well. This is something that has never happened in the NBA, where team owners typically only own one team. Despite this, there are still rumors that the NBA uses referees to influence the game. If such rumors were to arise, how much more vulnerable would the PBA be with the kind of influence that big team owners have?

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I don't know the finals MVP is, but I think it will be Jericho Cruz as he had some big shots to help the team to win.

Cruz has been one of the reason on the success of SMB in the Finals, but it was SMB who were consistent from game 1 to game 6, and he was named as the Finals MVP. Remember that Cruz didn't play well in game 5, so that's a big (-). CJ not only won the BPC but has also won the Finals MVP, he just proved that he is one of the superstar of MVP and he is lucky to have played with JMF who is a humble supertar, possibly GOAT when he retires.

Of course, that's why I expected him to win but I didn't consider the previous games where CJ was the one leading the team, I'm referring to game 1 and 2 where their import as well are still shooting with impressive percentage from beyond the arc. I'm happy for the success of CJ, if he wasn't acquired by SMB, he would not be able to win championship and achieve individual awards like you mentioned.

Now, they'll take a break on the PBA season but those that are part of the Gilas Pilipinas will only have a quick rest since they'll be training together with Brownlee for the FIBA ASIA qualifier. In February 22, 2024, they'll play with the Hongkong.

We can see the full schedule from this site https://www.fiba.basketball/asiacup/2025/qualifiers/games

All-stars player of the team contributes well but CJ is leading and by the help of Junmar then they got the trophy. About Junmar fajardo maybe you right that mate he will become a GOAT in the world of PBA cause his achievements and attitude in game is very good hamble and the kraken will release inside the court. Anyways for the upcoming Fiba game it's nice to hear that brownlee can play with us and one thing for sure it's will big help on us cause his presence is the team booster.

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