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Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 07:32:42 AM

..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

It was a good start but after they let Teng and Ahamnissi its obvious that they are not here to compete, it's an easy negotiation with players who can provide decent numbers, most of the good teams are willing to pay the price just to keep their competitiveness and have that chance winning the game, but it was different with how Converge doing it now, they are just playing to continue their stay from the league but in terms of trying to reach the finals there's no trace from the management to increase their chances, and with rumors that coach Ayo will be replaced it adds up to the point that they might be a part now of a farming team.

There's possibility that they will only become a farm team, with their quality of players, it's not gonna compete with the good roster of the strong teams, their 2nd unit might even be better than the main unit of the converge. See the 2nd unit of SMB, they have Teng, Romeo, Trollano, Tautuaa, and Jericho Cruz I guess.. So, we see the difference, and if SMB could afford this kind of quality players, how can a converge them would be able to compete with them.

People may criticize SMB for not following the salary cap ( if there's any), but we can always criticize theses so called farm teams for not being able to come up with a required budget to pay based on standard salary.

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Good news for this coach.

Phoenix coach Jamike Jarin signed to a three-year contract extension

Good for him, his team had an impressive run last governor's cup, they reach the Semi Finals and their import won an award on that. But we can't deny that he is really a good coach as although his team is lack of experience but they were able to give Magnolia a real challenge, it's just unfortunate that they fail to reach the finals, however, reaching that far is already big.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 19, 2024, 07:47:21 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 19, 2024, 06:46:52 AM

Yeah right, if this demand from William will take place then chances that each players who believes that they deserve more can just imitate what he did and demand for the price they want, let's wait and see if how this drama will ends up, if William's and TNT will close the negotiation and what will be the outcome, with how TNT is aiming to hire his service, the chance that there are lots of under the table price to cover only the max price but the demand contract might be deal behind the close door.

We all know that players who deserves more take it from the under the table deals, I mean they will sign a max contract but there are more behind that, additional perks that being negotiated outside that sign contracts.

If that's a way to keep them stay, why not. Before, players are looking to play with the PBA as it's the biggest league in the country, however, due to big indifferences of salaries, some choose to play abroad and that means we are missing an entertaining player to watch. So if this action of Williams will open the eyes of the team owners, then maybe they'll start paying competitive salaries and that would solve the problem of the PBA that they are facing now.

I'm referring to problem of attendance as during regular season, the venue are not even 50% of the capacity, it will only attract crowd if Ginebra will play in the FInals, without them, it will be a dull one.

I agree to that, if what's happening right now can give some chance for quality players to demands their salaries and the team and the league will see the possibilities that it will help the league in terms of fans attendance, I mean if the team will adjust to what players are asking and not just these two giant companies but all the teams that inside pba will also be included, there's a big chance that competition will be on another higher level, which what the fans wants and not just a single team like ginebra who can bring fans interest.

It will be back from how the fans supported their idols and will be willing to pay for the tickets and cheer for their teams, I missed those years when it's not just ginebra but also Alaska , Shell, Purefoods and Sta Lucia teams that really bring the level of excitement for each fans who loves this support .

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 19, 2024, 06:46:52 AM

Yeah right, if this demand from William will take place then chances that each players who believes that they deserve more can just imitate what he did and demand for the price they want, let's wait and see if how this drama will ends up, if William's and TNT will close the negotiation and what will be the outcome, with how TNT is aiming to hire his service, the chance that there are lots of under the table price to cover only the max price but the demand contract might be deal behind the close door.

We all know that players who deserves more take it from the under the table deals, I mean they will sign a max contract but there are more behind that, additional perks that being negotiated outside that sign contracts.

If that's a way to keep them stay, why not. Before, players are looking to play with the PBA as it's the biggest league in the country, however, due to big indifferences of salaries, some choose to play abroad and that means we are missing an entertaining player to watch. So if this action of Williams will open the eyes of the team owners, then maybe they'll start paying competitive salaries and that would solve the problem of the PBA that they are facing now.

I'm referring to problem of attendance as during regular season, the venue are not even 50% of the capacity, it will only attract crowd if Ginebra will play in the FInals, without them, it will be a dull one.

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I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

I think the word humbled himself does not apply here. It's a negotiation, he set his own price, so it's like take it or leave it. TNT still wants him, so I think they'll up the price so Williams will sign the contract. With this, I think it would help other players to also demand a higher salary as other leagues outside the Philippines are playing well, so maybe Williams will open the eyes of other players that they should also learn how to negotiate aa long as they believe in their talents.

We have to wait and see. It seems that you're right that TNT is dying hard to take him but most of us are telling that they shouldn't take him anymore and just move on and leave him if there are any other takers of his own set price. There is no more salary cap on the PBA because most of them have their own demands and great salary offer that has been maxed out and even more than the suggested price and cap of the league. If there is a B League offer for him, he should take that away quickly.

Yeah right, if this demand from William will take place then chances that each players who believes that they deserve more can just imitate what he did and demand for the price they want, let's wait and see if how this drama will ends up, if William's and TNT will close the negotiation and what will be the outcome, with how TNT is aiming to hire his service, the chance that there are lots of under the table price to cover only the max price but the demand contract might be deal behind the close door.

We all know that players who deserves more take it from the under the table deals, I mean they will sign a max contract but there are more behind that, additional perks that being negotiated outside that sign contracts.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 18, 2024, 07:15:51 AM

Quote from: blockman on March 14, 2024, 09:10:09 AM

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

I think the word humbled himself does not apply here. It's a negotiation, he set his own price, so it's like take it or leave it. TNT still wants him, so I think they'll up the price so Williams will sign the contract. With this, I think it would help other players to also demand a higher salary as other leagues outside the Philippines are playing well, so maybe Williams will open the eyes of other players that they should also learn how to negotiate aa long as they believe in their talents.

We have to wait and see. It seems that you're right that TNT is dying hard to take him but most of us are telling that they shouldn't take him anymore and just move on and leave him if there are any other takers of his own set price. There is no more salary cap on the PBA because most of them have their own demands and great salary offer that has been maxed out and even more than the suggested price and cap of the league. If there is a B League offer for him, he should take that away quickly.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 18, 2024, 07:15:51 AM

Quote from: blockman on March 14, 2024, 09:10:09 AM

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

I think the word humbled himself does not apply here. It's a negotiation, he set his own price, so it's like take it or leave it. TNT still wants him, so I think they'll up the price so Williams will sign the contract. With this, I think it would help other players to also demand a higher salary as other leagues outside the Philippines are playing well, so maybe Williams will open the eyes of other players that they should also learn how to negotiate aa long as they believe in their talents.

Aside from setting his own value which I think is just fair. However, I agree with @blockman here that he should humble himself as reportedly he had some problem with his coach before not showing respect, like coming to the practice late, etc.. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated, yes, he has a talent but basketball is not about one person, it's a team effort and therefore chemistry should be created effectively from players, coachhes and staff so they are in one page while on the court, on and off. Or maybe this is just a rumor now as there's been no official statement yet whethere TNT really wants to sign him again.

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Quote from: blockman on March 14, 2024, 09:10:09 AM

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

I think the word humbled himself does not apply here. It's a negotiation, he set his own price, so it's like take it or leave it. TNT still wants him, so I think they'll up the price so Williams will sign the contract. With this, I think it would help other players to also demand a higher salary as other leagues outside the Philippines are playing well, so maybe Williams will open the eyes of other players that they should also learn how to negotiate aa long as they believe in their talents.

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 16, 2024, 12:19:22 PM

Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 07:32:42 AM

..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

It was a good start but after they let Teng and Ahamnissi its obvious that they are not here to compete, it's an easy negotiation with players who can provide decent numbers, most of the good teams are willing to pay the price just to keep their competitiveness and have that chance winning the game, but it was different with how Converge doing it now, they are just playing to continue their stay from the league but in terms of trying to reach the finals there's no trace from the management to increase their chances, and with rumors that coach Ayo will be replaced it adds up to the point that they might be a part now of a farming team.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 17, 2024, 09:20:13 AM

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

I agree with the post above that Converge being competitive can only be seen in import conferences (Governors & Commissioners). Their previous hired imports in the history of the franchise were solid and caliber imports such as Tom Vodanovich, Jamaal Franklin, and Quincy Miller.

And no, Converge does anything to keep Ahamnissi but since the latter is an unrestricted free agent, he can go and sign with whatever team he wants as his target but unfortunately, Converge doesn't seem the team he wants to stay with. But Converge needs to move forward.

That's what I like about the whole PBA Converge team from executives, managers, staff, etc. that they don't want to give baby treatment to anyone. If they think the player is not happy with them despite that they can match good offers from other teams, they will let go of that player. As for Coach Ayo, he also has the guts to tell their imports to always try to associate with the locals like what he did to Jamaal Franklin that known for ball hogging.

It always comes with a price, and I think coverge could not afford quality players that's why they are just keeping the players that are still in contract, but when they also become free agent too, they could leave and play with SMB, Ginebra or TNT, and will become worst for Converge. If they like to be competitive, they should consider giving offers that are hard to resist, I don't know the exact figures we are talking but that was the rumors I read.

Ahamnissi and Teng probably want a championship, but the price is right, they might stay. Or maybe if they are really serious, they could get a quality player like Mikey Williams, this guy has a big demand but could help a team to improve.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 17, 2024, 09:20:13 AM

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

I agree with the post above that Converge being competitive can only be seen in import conferences (Governors & Commissioners). Their previous hired imports in the history of the franchise were solid and caliber imports such as Tom Vodanovich, Jamaal Franklin, and Quincy Miller.

And no, Converge does anything to keep Ahamnissi but since the latter is an unrestricted free agent, he can go and sign with whatever team he wants as his target but unfortunately, Converge doesn't seem the team he wants to stay with. But Converge needs to move forward.

That's what I like about the whole PBA Converge team from executives, managers, staff, etc. that they don't want to give baby treatment to anyone. If they think the player is not happy with them despite that they can match good offers from other teams, they will let go of that player. As for Coach Ayo, he also has the guts to tell their imports to always try to associate with the locals like what he did to Jamaal Franklin that known for ball hogging.

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 16, 2024, 12:19:22 PM

Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 07:32:42 AM

..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 07:32:42 AM

..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 07:32:42 AM

It was different compared to the first game as Converge were not able to come back. So far, we had witness the biggest win this season.

106-75... a 31 point victory, Magnolia just trying to prove that they are ready for the championship once again. Their first win and Converge losing streak continues to 5. 52% overall FG percentage, too high, it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

Magnolia is known to have a tough defense especially when they are up, Converge is unmatched with Magnolia's experienced and like what you said, there's no system in terms of defense that Converge shows from this game, they just try to exchange scores but they are unfortune compared with Magnolia who still carrying their pride after being short winning the last conference title.

Magnolia with the same system and same executions, they are tough both defense and offense with very familiar blends of players inside the court they can simply execute and it's going to be smooth and seems like easy for each players who's playing inside the court.

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That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).

Big run by the DYIP to come back and win. Juami Tiongson's dagger gave his team a game winner where they won by 1 point only. There's a lot of comeback victory so far, good for bettors as this would provide a very attractive odds.

However, can it happen again in the current game, the last game?

59-73, Magnolia is up by 14 points, IIRC, the spread was around -15.5... so just a little push, they'll cover it.

It was different compared to the first game as Converge were not able to come back. So far, we had witness the biggest win this season.

106-75... a 31 point victory, Magnolia just trying to prove that they are ready for the championship once again. Their first win and Converge losing streak continues to 5. 52% overall FG percentage, too high, it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 16, 2024, 01:56:39 AM

Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 01:18:11 AM

That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).

Big run by the DYIP to come back and win. Juami Tiongson's dagger gave his team a game winner where they won by 1 point only. There's a lot of comeback victory so far, good for bettors as this would provide a very attractive odds.

However, can it happen again in the current game, the last game?

59-73, Magnolia is up by 14 points, IIRC, the spread was around -15.5... so just a little push, they'll cover it.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 16, 2024, 01:18:11 AM

That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 15, 2024, 09:44:04 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on March 15, 2024, 06:41:26 PM

Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/

Also read this article, the sole purpose of Justin Brownlee playing for the Indonesian league is for him to keep fit as the import-back conference of the PBA is still far away, shake off the rust as they say.

But his heart belonged to the Philippines since he is a naturalized import. In fact, he is the most consistent import in the Philippines as we have naturalized players before but they are not consistently playing with the NBA conferences where imports area allowed.

He will be back soon, and yes he needs to keep himself fit and at the same time will earn decent money as I'm pretty sure the offer is good knowing how good he is and had proven it already when he carried the PH in the asian games.

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 15, 2024, 09:44:04 PM

Speaking of Ginebra, they were upset by the Meralco Bolts last night. Chris Newsome and Allen Maliksi led the way for the Bolts, scoring 19 and 25 points respectively.

That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 15, 2024, 06:41:26 PM

Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/

Also read this article, the sole purpose of Justin Brownlee playing for the Indonesian league is for him to keep fit as the import-back conference of the PBA is still far away, shake off the rust as they say.

Speaking of Ginebra, they were upset by the Meralco Bolts last night. Chris Newsome and Allen Maliksi led the way for the Bolts, scoring 19 and 25 points respectively.

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Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/

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