2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 67.

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Quote from: mia_houston on July 20, 2022, 04:44:10 PM

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we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I think there are several teams that are indeed candidates to win the 2022 world cup later, if we look at a glance of course the factors of players like messi and ronaldo become a reference for favoring argentina and portugal, but I personally see teams that have collectivities actually have a greater chance to win the world cup, brazil, spain, germany, belgium and france are teams that have better and evenly squad depth, so maybe spain and france will be world cup finalists this year in my opinion.

right, I agree. and I have said it in many posts.
There are many other candidates who have the potential to win the Qatar world cup tournament. france, germany, england, brazil, or maybe some other unexpected dark horse team like belgium for example you mentioned.

We will never know until the game is held. however i am not referring to ronaldo, the portugal squad team is not in good form from match stats. different from argentina this time, you can see a lot of argentina players competing in european league teams. argentina this time sent their best and proved they won the CONMEBOL cup.
it's not just about messi, there are other talents who have the same quality as other big teams. I think Argentina's chances of getting the title are wide open.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 20, 2022, 11:33:08 AM

Most likely Messi does not have a suitable partner for him to play in the country, this is quite different when he is in the Barcelona club that has been won many titles, in his country there are no other players who are able to have a big impact on progress in winning the title, I think The Club's atmosphere with his country is quite different, this might not affect the contribution of Leonel Messi

I don't think that Argentine team is lacking any talent. The real reason is that Messi hasn't played that often for Argentina. Also, let's not forget the fact that Messi is a dual citizen of Spain and Argentina. Along with Messi, there are very talented players such as Paulo Dybala and Lautaro Martínez in the forward department. Starting from 2021 he has made regular appearances for them, but before that he wasn't very familiar with the team strategy. Now he is close to retirement and wants to be remembered as the player who won the world cup for his country.

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Quote from: mia_houston on July 20, 2022, 04:44:10 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I think there are several teams that are indeed candidates to win the 2022 world cup later, if we look at a glance of course the factors of players like messi and ronaldo become a reference for favoring argentina and portugal, but I personally see teams that have collectivities actually have a greater chance to win the world cup, brazil, spain, germany, belgium and france are teams that have better and evenly squad depth, so maybe spain and france will be world cup finalists this year in my opinion.

I consider Brazil and France as favorites to win the World Cup. However, France's team performance is not good. Bonding between players is weak. Yet they have a squad full of an extraordinary star player. For whom it is possible to win the World Cup. Brazil, on the other hand, has a lot of talented players. The number of young players in the Spain team is high. So I don't consider Spain as a favorite to win the World Cup.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 19, 2022, 12:05:18 AM

We all know how much Lionel Messi wanted to lift the world cup in his hands. Because the biggest criticism of Lionel Messi was that he could not play in the Argentina national team as he played with the Barcelona jersey. If they win the world cup, maybe they will have answered everyone about it. Messi is one of the best players of all time. The world cup is so important that the biggest sadness in his career is the lack of it. This is the last chance for Messi and Ronaldo. They both want this trophy very much.

Because of that basis Leonel Messi could not be said to be incarnated by Maradona, at the Messi club level has won many titles, but for the country he has not been able to give anything, this is the last opportunity for him to prove. If this time fails, then it is certain he will close his career without being able to win the World Cup

I think it's not really about Messi playing well with the club and not so bad with the nation. I think it's about him playing well in Barcelona and not well with his nation. Plus, he won the cup finally with his nation as well, so it's not really a valid argument anymore. Because right now, we have him playing not so well with PSG, and we have seen him win a cup with his nation, so that narrative of him not being well in his nation is not anymore.

I know that it's not going to hold a candle to what he has achieved with Barcelona, it was a system he was built in, he grow up there and that is why I believe that he would never be as good as that ever again, and not just about age anymore.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I think there are several teams that are indeed candidates to win the 2022 world cup later, if we look at a glance of course the factors of players like messi and ronaldo become a reference for favoring argentina and portugal, but I personally see teams that have collectivities actually have a greater chance to win the world cup, brazil, spain, germany, belgium and france are teams that have better and evenly squad depth, so maybe spain and france will be world cup finalists this year in my opinion.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 20, 2022, 04:45:09 AM

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

It's very difficult to see I think, even if they made it as a finalist at Conmebol but obviously they will still be very difficult at the World Cup.
To say they are in the final is too bold because in fact there are still many clubs that are equal or even higher in quality than Argentina at the moment.

we agree there are many equal and great teams that will compete in qatar world cup, i have said it in many posts.
For example, Brazil, France, Germany, or the team that became the dark horse. they have many extraordinary talented players who will compete in this world cup event. all the teams i mentioned have the potential to become champions even i am sure that france will play amazingly, as well as argentina's rivals brazil, they will do a good job and become one of the favorite squad in the qatar world cup.

you may disagree with my choice but the fact is argentina is a great squad which has many talented players qualified and the captain's role in the team. that's why argentina became a finalist CONMEBOL.

Regardless of anything we can argue in this case Cheesy

As I said being a finalist there is a good thing but with Argentina's record in the world cup it's not very good for them.
As for Messi being the captain of the team, it certainly provides a good motivation but until now for the world cup title I don't see anything more than him.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 19, 2022, 12:05:18 AM

We all know how much Lionel Messi wanted to lift the world cup in his hands. Because the biggest criticism of Lionel Messi was that he could not play in the Argentina national team as he played with the Barcelona jersey. If they win the world cup, maybe they will have answered everyone about it. Messi is one of the best players of all time. The world cup is so important that the biggest sadness in his career is the lack of it. This is the last chance for Messi and Ronaldo. They both want this trophy very much.

Because of that basis Leonel Messi could not be said to be incarnated by Maradona, at the Messi club level has won many titles, but for the country he has not been able to give anything, this is the last opportunity for him to prove. If this time fails, then it is certain he will close his career without being able to win the World Cup

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 19, 2022, 01:04:26 AM

The argument is that Messi always perform well for his club side, but he never repeats that while representing the Argentine national team. Previously it was rumored that he was not in good terms with the coach, as well as with some of the other players. But the performance in Copa America rubbishes these allegations. Argentina won the title for the 15th time, and Messi was the top scorer (as well as the winning captain). From what I saw, the team bonding was excellent under the captaincy of Messi.

Most likely Messi does not have a suitable partner for him to play in the country, this is quite different when he is in the Barcelona club that has been won many titles, in his country there are no other players who are able to have a big impact on progress in winning the title, I think The Club's atmosphere with his country is quite different, this might not affect the contribution of Leonel Messi

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 19, 2022, 01:31:33 AM

It is difficult for Messi to achieve his ambitions here because even though he is great on an individual basis and the other players have also been very good but indeed sometimes their dominance in the Conmebol zone but obviously the world cup is not as simple as expected.
But for the title now I feel they will talk a lot but not in the knockout phase.
They will only go through the group stage but will never make it to the final I don't think.

Maybe this can be said to be true, usually the players will not be solid when playing for the country, because the duration of time to play together, so that to reach the final will be difficult, the game in each club will be far different when playing with the country, because Each coach has their own style and way, this makes the players not solid when playing for the country

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on July 19, 2022, 04:26:37 PM

Argentina will be stronger if they play together with team work. Everyone knows Messi is the most important player in the team but that shouldn't dispute against the idea of team work and team spirit. Every player has their different role to play in the squad and if this roles are carried out effectively and efficiently the team will do a lot better in the coming World Cup.

I think all teams will also do team work to be stronger and better and it's not only about Argentina, even though this Argentina has a lot of great players but I personally wouldn't expect too much with Argentina. The number of star players in the national team will not guarantee good results either, because in the world cup the teams that only have a mediocre squad can be very good in the match. I'm just giving an overview of Denmark they don't have many star players in the squad but in reality, their gameplay is very tight and has a very strong looking power. Therefore, I personally don't expect too much from a team like Argentina, but if they can win the title then obviously it's a good achievement and they deserve it.

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Quote from: Z-tight on July 20, 2022, 07:33:15 AM

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Argentina itself has a chance to become world champions. They are now in a group with Poland, Saudi Arabia and Mexico.

Argentina have a chance to win the world cup, but it is not because of the teams in their group, Argentina are always expected to make it out of the group stage, they are a top national side, and being eliminated in the group stages of the world cup will be a shock. If they play to the best of their ability as a great national team they will finish top of that group, Poland seems like the only strong competition for them there, but they should finish above them. This world cup is going to be Messi's last one, that can be something to motivate the Argentine national team to go all out for gold when the world cup starts.

In group matches, most chances they will stay at top and this is going to be good for them with this they can face which will second in their group which is also good advantage for them Argentina is mostly having good results in early stages, but they mostly feel problem in last stages where mostly quality teams need to give their best they usually dropped which is having big issue for them in last few years but with current squad they can do some better and have chance to go through into last four which is also good but as for Messi they need to win which is also possible but still need good work and better team combination.

Few players are at their best in club games but still need to do work at national level which is very important for winning titles.

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Quote from: Z-tight on July 20, 2022, 07:33:15 AM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 19, 2022, 04:33:26 PM

Argentina itself has a chance to become world champions. They are now in a group with Poland, Saudi Arabia and Mexico.

Argentina have a chance to win the world cup, but it is not because of the teams in their group, Argentina are always expected to make it out of the group stage, they are a top national side, and being eliminated in the group stages of the world cup will be a shock. If they play to the best of their ability as a great national team they will finish top of that group, Poland seems like the only strong competition for them there, but they should finish above them. This world cup is going to be Messi's last one, that can be something to motivate the Argentine national team to go all out for gold when the world cup starts.

Yeah, there's no chance that Argentina doesn't pass the group stage. But having said that, Italy didn't qualify for this world cup, and I would have never thought that, so you never know really.

The world cup is a very competitive tournament, and it usually gives you surprises.

But yeah, Messi is definitely going out with a bang in this world cup. Hopefully we'll see him playing at another level. This is the last thing he needs to win, even though he will always live in the shadow of Maradona.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 19, 2022, 04:33:26 PM

Argentina itself has a chance to become world champions. They are now in a group with Poland, Saudi Arabia and Mexico.

Argentina have a chance to win the world cup, but it is not because of the teams in their group, Argentina are always expected to make it out of the group stage, they are a top national side, and being eliminated in the group stages of the world cup will be a shock. If they play to the best of their ability as a great national team they will finish top of that group, Poland seems like the only strong competition for them there, but they should finish above them. This world cup is going to be Messi's last one, that can be something to motivate the Argentine national team to go all out for gold when the world cup starts.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on July 19, 2022, 09:26:31 AM

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I disagree with you that Argentina will reach the final, I highly doubt that. Indeed I also see their current squad is better than before, but other countries have the same thing. They have also had some achievements recently, but I see that it was not enough for them to reach the final at the Qatar World Cup.

he saw from the condition of the players consisting of messi and de maria where these two combinations can be the center of the game because I believe both will play well, currently the condition of other professional players such as ronaldo who is not accepted at any club makes the competition even more intense. light for argentina so there is potential to reach the final, moreover the main goalkeeper from argentina who is very skilled will give his best contribution.

In terms of the individual quality of the players, it is indeed very good therapy if you look at the quality of individuals like this, it is clear that there are a lot of qualified national teams such as France, Belgium, Brazil and even Portugal and England.
There are a lot of qualified players from every team and indeed it's not just Argentina so looking at the quality of the individual it's still too hasty to say they are in the final.

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Quote from: izsara on July 19, 2022, 04:48:25 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

It's very difficult to see I think, even if they made it as a finalist at Conmebol but obviously they will still be very difficult at the World Cup.
To say they are in the final is too bold because in fact there are still many clubs that are equal or even higher in quality than Argentina at the moment.

we agree there are many equal and great teams that will compete in qatar world cup, i have said it in many posts.
For example, Brazil, France, Germany, or the team that became the dark horse. they have many extraordinary talented players who will compete in this world cup event. all the teams i mentioned have the potential to become champions even i am sure that france will play amazingly, as well as argentina's rivals brazil, they will do a good job and become one of the favorite squad in the qatar world cup.

you may disagree with my choice but the fact is argentina is a great squad which has many talented players qualified and the captain's role in the team. that's why argentina became a finalist CONMEBOL.

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Quote from: Minecache on July 19, 2022, 06:31:36 AM

Brazil team has many star players. And almost all players of the Brazil team are with some renowned club. As a result, their players are becoming more experienced. So Brazil is definitely the favorite for the World Cup. But Argentina's team is not weak. Their forwards are strong. On the other hand, the defense has talented players like Lisandro Martínez. So the possibility of becoming world champions is not low.

Brazil almost never dropped out of the top-5 teams in the last 2-3 decades. But the same can't be said about Argentina. They are more volatile in terms of form, at least when compared to Brazil. All that said, this time they have sent a very strong side to Qatar. It is well balanced and although Messi will be leading the attack the other players are also quite capable. And from what we have seen in Copa America, the team bonding has remained exceptional. A little bit of luck, and they will lift the trophy for the first time after 1986.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

It's very difficult to see I think, even if they made it as a finalist at Conmebol but obviously they will still be very difficult at the World Cup.
To say they are in the final is too bold because in fact there are still many clubs that are equal or even higher in quality than Argentina at the moment.

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Argentina itself has a chance to become world champions. They are now in a group with Poland, Saudi Arabia and Mexico. I think we can agree that Saudi Arabia is the weakest link in the group here. Yet Poland and Mexico are dangerous opponents. Argentina has a better selection, but on a lesser day you can lose to both Poland and Mexico. It is possible that you will be 3rd and be eliminated. Still, the Argentines should be able to win this group led by Messi.

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Argentina will be stronger if they play together with team work. Everyone knows Messi is the most important player in the team but that shouldn't dispute against the idea of team work and team spirit. Every player has their different role to play in the squad and if this roles are carried out effectively and efficiently the team will do a lot better in the coming World Cup.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on July 19, 2022, 09:26:31 AM

he saw from the condition of the players consisting of messi and de maria where these two combinations can be the center of the game because I believe both will play well, currently the condition of other professional players such as ronaldo who is not accepted at any club makes the competition even more intense. light for argentina so there is potential to reach the final, moreover the main goalkeeper from argentina who is very skilled will give his best contribution.

Talking about the final, Argentina certainly has a great opportunity. not just because of the good players on the team. they have an interesting strategy and game tactics.
I think Argentina and Brazil meet in the final. it's because Brazil is my favorite country in this year's world cup. The meeting of the two will certainly be an extraordinary final match. will attract a large audience. Both countries are trying to restore past glory.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I disagree with you that Argentina will reach the final, I highly doubt that. Indeed I also see their current squad is better than before, but other countries have the same thing. They have also had some achievements recently, but I see that it was not enough for them to reach the final at the Qatar World Cup.

With current circumstances and on papers we can't predict who is going to win in November at Qatar because all will be happened at ground and here just we have few suggestions or views about our teams. Every one is going to talk about his favourite team and there is no doubt we have few good squads and very good units in this event with Brazil and Argentina are also from these teams with having some chances but like we are watching in last two decades European teams are dominating, and South American teams are on decline which is also having some impact on this event as well, so any result can happen with any strong team can win like Brazil, Argentina, France and England all are in good shape.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 19, 2022, 08:29:42 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I disagree with you that Argentina will reach the final, I highly doubt that. Indeed I also see their current squad is better than before, but other countries have the same thing. They have also had some achievements recently, but I see that it was not enough for them to reach the final at the Qatar World Cup.

he saw from the condition of the players consisting of messi and de maria where these two combinations can be the center of the game because I believe both will play well, currently the condition of other professional players such as ronaldo who is not accepted at any club makes the competition even more intense. light for argentina so there is potential to reach the final, moreover the main goalkeeper from argentina who is very skilled will give his best contribution.

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