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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 19, 2022, 08:29:42 AM

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we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I disagree with you that Argentina will reach the final, I highly doubt that. Indeed I also see their current squad is better than before, but other countries have the same thing. They have also had some achievements recently, but I see that it was not enough for them to reach the final at the Qatar World Cup.

From the point of view of the bookmakers, the chances of the teams to reach the final are as follows:

To Reach Final

Brazil 3.43

France 3.68

England 3.92

Spain 4.41

Argentina 4.90

Germany 4.90

Belgium 5.88

Netherlands 5.88

Portugal 5.88

On the one hand, this is not such a high chance - 20%, on the other hand, the favorite has a slightly better one - 29% and a whole group of teams has approximately equal chances. But I would not say that betting on such odds looks attractive, it is better to bet on separate games.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

I disagree with you that Argentina will reach the final, I highly doubt that. Indeed I also see their current squad is better than before, but other countries have the same thing. They have also had some achievements recently, but I see that it was not enough for them to reach the final at the Qatar World Cup.

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we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

Last year Argentina won the Copa America after a 28 year wait playing the finals against Brazil. It also served as the first international for Messi. This is considered as the path for the winning of FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Same time there is criticism around, that a single player alone can't take the team towards success. The support to Argentina is much on Messi. Throughout the qualifier Argentina stays undefeated, so more positive things have happened recently. Let's wait for few more months.

At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

Argentina is a strong favorite to win the title because they have really a pool of talented players in their squad.Passing the group is absolutely a sure thing for them because they are playing against much weaker opponents when we compare the other teams quality in that group.Qualifying first of the group gives you the so called opportunity to get an easier opponent than if you come second but I think this rule is out now because as far as I know only one team passes because FIFA has increased the number of participants,I am not so sure about this,in UEFA is a sure thing though.So there will be only like 4 games to be played after the group stages or 5 as a maximum,strong teams have equal chances to win the World Cup but I think the team with the better players will get it in the end.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

Last year Argentina won the Copa America after a 28 year wait playing the finals against Brazil. It also served as the first international for Messi. This is considered as the path for the winning of FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Same time there is criticism around, that a single player alone can't take the team towards success. The support to Argentina is much on Messi. Throughout the qualifier Argentina stays undefeated, so more positive things have happened recently. Let's wait for few more months.

I think it will be very difficult for Argentina to win the world championship title, but of course they have a chance.
Messi and his teammates were considered losers after losing 2 South American Championship finals and the 2014 World Cup final.
Especially great pressure was on Messi because everyone compared him to Maradona and it was believed that Messi can't be a better player than Maradona until he brings the world title to Argentina, as Maradona did in 1986.
It was obvious how difficult it was for Messi to play under such pressure and he even considered quitting playing for the national team.
Nevertheless, Messi ended up staying in the national team and finally brought the first title to Argentina at the last South American championship.
It's obvious that this world championship will be the last for Messi and his last chance to bring his country the title of world champion.
It will be a very difficult mission for Messi because Argentina is still not the main favorite in this World Cup, but Messi is a great player and with him every team has a chance to win.
Personally, I consider Brazil and France to be the main favorites, but this World Cup will be very uncertain and anything is possible.

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At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

Well... no one claimed that Argentina is the best team at the world cup. Without an argument, Brazil has the highest chances of winning the cup this time around. What favors Argentina is the recent form and presence of Lionel Messi. And since it is probably his last world cup, I am sure that the Argentine team would give their best attempt. Irrespective of the betting odds, this is the best squad Argentina has sent to the world cup ever since 1986. But I don't know whether that is enough to lift the trophy this time.

Brazil team has many star players. And almost all players of the Brazil team are with some renowned club. As a result, their players are becoming more experienced. So Brazil is definitely the favorite for the World Cup. But Argentina's team is not weak. Their forwards are strong. On the other hand, the defense has talented players like Lisandro Martínez. So the possibility of becoming world champions is not low.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 19, 2022, 06:13:41 AM

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At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

Well... no one claimed that Argentina is the best team at the world cup. Without an argument, Brazil has the highest chances of winning the cup this time around. What favors Argentina is the recent form and presence of Lionel Messi. And since it is probably his last world cup, I am sure that the Argentine team would give their best attempt. Irrespective of the betting odds, this is the best squad Argentina has sent to the world cup ever since 1986. But I don't know whether that is enough to lift the trophy this time.

@hahay initially I thought that it would be England who would have a good chance of winning it, but currently I feel that it’s either Brazil or Argentina only one of them can win it. @Sithara007 about Messi we’ll have to see how he performs for PSG this season, because it’ll give us an idea as to how he’ll be performing at the World Cup and personally I see Argentina till the semis at least, but what about others anyone feeing that they’ll make it to the finals?.

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Quote from: hahay on July 19, 2022, 02:58:15 AM

At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

Well... no one claimed that Argentina is the best team at the world cup. Without an argument, Brazil has the highest chances of winning the cup this time around. What favors Argentina is the recent form and presence of Lionel Messi. And since it is probably his last world cup, I am sure that the Argentine team would give their best attempt. Irrespective of the betting odds, this is the best squad Argentina has sent to the world cup ever since 1986. But I don't know whether that is enough to lift the trophy this time.

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Quote from: hahay on July 19, 2022, 02:58:15 AM

At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

if you think brazil is the best i think the difference in point of view is a natural thing especially in the choice of favorites who will compete in the qatar world cup, i think the statistics of the last match of the two are not too much difference, even though brazil has only drawn three times in the statistics of the match, the match between Brazil and Argentina ended in a draw but the ball possession was controlled by Argentina.
i think messi and the whole argentina squad will play to the best of their ability in the qatar world cup to reach the title, and i believe that.

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I don't know if they do not rely on Messi or not. Do you think Martinez or Dybala would be enough to actually make them win the title? Messi is still the most important piece of the puzzle and in ANY game he plays badly, they have a high chance of getting eliminated. Martinez could have a bad game, but we all know Messi could turn it around himself, but if Messi plays badly, Martinez turning it around would be unlikely situation.

This is why I believe that we shouldn't be expecting Argentina to win, this isn't a league, it's a tournament and there bound to be at least one game where Messi will play bad, and that's when they will end up losing and getting eliminated.

In World Cup everything is possible although I am not expecting much from the Argentinian team. The group stage is relatively easy. There is Poland that seems challenging, then there is Mexico that might be annoying and Saudi that never passed this stage tho. Getting the first place is a must to guarantee passing the round of 16 then it is a matter of luck and skills. Luck if they face easier opponents or a top team that isn't in its day. Skills if they are mostly ready for each games without injuries.
Overall I don't see speculation about that in general, World Cup isn't a normal tournament like CONMEBOL where you have to collect points, it is either you are ready for every single match or you are out!

The group in which Argentina is playing is in fact relatively easy for them so I do not see them having any kind of trouble to get to the next round, and even the round of 16 is not going to be such big trouble for them, the real tournament is going to begin at the quarterfinals, however Argentina has a great motivation to try to win the cup, they want to do this not only for themselves but for Messi as well, because even if we know that he was at some point one of the best players around the world we know that he has not played as well when it comes to his national team, and if he wants to be recognized as one of the best at his country then he needs to win a World Cup.

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we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

Last year Argentina won the Copa America after a 28 year wait playing the finals against Brazil. It also served as the first international for Messi. This is considered as the path for the winning of FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Same time there is criticism around, that a single player alone can't take the team towards success. The support to Argentina is much on Messi. Throughout the qualifier Argentina stays undefeated, so more positive things have happened recently. Let's wait for few more months.

At the World Cup, Argentina will be in Group C along with Poland, Mexico and Saudi Arabia. If we see an opponent like this then surely Argentina will go through to the next round, but when I consider winning the title I am not very sure. Because even, representatives from South America in my view Brazil is the best team because even though Brazil and Argentina are both unbeaten but Brazil still has a better winning record than Argentina during the qualifying round. With a record like that, although this is the last chance for Messi but still, Argentina is not the best in this world cup event.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 19, 2022, 02:02:17 AM

we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

Last year Argentina won the Copa America after a 28 year wait playing the finals against Brazil. It also served as the first international for Messi. This is considered as the path for the winning of FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Same time there is criticism around, that a single player alone can't take the team towards success. The support to Argentina is much on Messi. Throughout the qualifier Argentina stays undefeated, so more positive things have happened recently. Let's wait for few more months.

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we all know argentina is one of the favorite teams in the qatar world cup, this prestigious cup event every four years is the last competition for messi, argentina will do their best and target the world champion under captain messi, argentina squad is currently the best compared to some last year, argentina were conmebol championship finalists if only to qualify from the round of 16 i think argentina will not go through much trouble. I believe Argentina will enter the final in the Qatar World Cup.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2022, 11:44:37 PM

Leonel Messi has reached at the highest point for his career, only the world cup he has not been able to achieve at such a young age, it will be a gamble for Leonel Messi's career before taking the step of retiring, everyone also wants to see Argentina enter the final and win the trophy, but it must be that Argentina will find it difficult to face other big countries, considering that many football players born now have good qualities and play in big European leagues

It is difficult for Messi to achieve his ambitions here because even though he is great on an individual basis and the other players have also been very good but indeed sometimes their dominance in the Conmebol zone but obviously the world cup is not as simple as expected.
But for the title now I feel they will talk a lot but not in the knockout phase.
They will only go through the group stage but will never make it to the final I don't think.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on July 18, 2022, 11:44:37 PM

Leonel Messi has reached at the highest point for his career, only the world cup he has not been able to achieve at such a young age, it will be a gamble for Leonel Messi's career before taking the step of retiring, everyone also wants to see Argentina enter the final and win the trophy, but it must be that Argentina will find it difficult to face other big countries, considering that many football players born now have good qualities and play in big European leagues

The argument is that Messi always perform well for his club side, but he never repeats that while representing the Argentine national team. Previously it was rumored that he was not in good terms with the coach, as well as with some of the other players. But the performance in Copa America rubbishes these allegations. Argentina won the title for the 15th time, and Messi was the top scorer (as well as the winning captain). From what I saw, the team bonding was excellent under the captaincy of Messi.

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Argentine players do not have enough stars to now, they rely more on Messi to play, while soccer games have developed enough for now, Europe has a much greater potential for the future World Cup, if you see the players they have, placement that is obsessed with Idol in the past, no longer a guarantee for the current soccer style, because the progress of football is far more developed for now, almost all countries have potential stars

The Argentine team still have many star players, they have always relied on Lionel Messi in the past and even now just the way Portugal are relying on Ronaldo to lead them to victory all the time. Argentina has kept a very good form recently and look to be one of my favourites to get to the final of the world cup and it will be really trilling to have a final with Argentina playing against Portugal.

Leonel Messi has reached at the highest point for his career, only the world cup he has not been able to achieve at such a young age, it will be a gamble for Leonel Messi's career before taking the step of retiring, everyone also wants to see Argentina enter the final and win the trophy, but it must be that Argentina will find it difficult to face other big countries, considering that many football players born now have good qualities and play in big European leagues

We all know how much Lionel Messi wanted to lift the world cup in his hands. Because the biggest criticism of Lionel Messi was that he could not play in the Argentina national team as he played with the Barcelona jersey. If they win the world cup, maybe they will have answered everyone about it. Messi is one of the best players of all time. The world cup is so important that the biggest sadness in his career is the lack of it. This is the last chance for Messi and Ronaldo. They both want this trophy very much.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on July 13, 2022, 05:00:25 PM

Quote from: Fara Chan on July 12, 2022, 03:06:53 AM

Argentine players do not have enough stars to now, they rely more on Messi to play, while soccer games have developed enough for now, Europe has a much greater potential for the future World Cup, if you see the players they have, placement that is obsessed with Idol in the past, no longer a guarantee for the current soccer style, because the progress of football is far more developed for now, almost all countries have potential stars

The Argentine team still have many star players, they have always relied on Lionel Messi in the past and even now just the way Portugal are relying on Ronaldo to lead them to victory all the time. Argentina has kept a very good form recently and look to be one of my favourites to get to the final of the world cup and it will be really trilling to have a final with Argentina playing against Portugal.

Leonel Messi has reached at the highest point for his career, only the world cup he has not been able to achieve at such a young age, it will be a gamble for Leonel Messi's career before taking the step of retiring, everyone also wants to see Argentina enter the final and win the trophy, but it must be that Argentina will find it difficult to face other big countries, considering that many football players born now have good qualities and play in big European leagues

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Argentina always has a chance to become world champions. They don't just have Messi, of course. He is the most important player, but besides Messi there are also other great players in the team. In 2014 they were close when they lost the final to Germany. But also for Argentina it has been a long time since they became world champions. The last time was in 1986 in Mexico with Maradona. If Messi wants to become world champion again, it will really have to happen this year, but that also applies to Belgium.

The development of the times that led to the even distribution of football, it is almost difficult to make accurate predictions about which country will lift the trophy, Argentina has superstar Lionel Messi, but other countries also have stars and the distribution of quality players, judging from the number of star players that Argentina has, maybe lost in quality to Brazil, Spain and several other countries, the style of football now is very much different from before, not to mention Leonel Messi is not as productive as he used to be, I think Argentina will fight for the world cup, but it's difficult to reach the final in the future

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 17, 2022, 03:22:39 PM

I don't know if they do not rely on Messi or not. Do you think Martinez or Dybala would be enough to actually make them win the title? Messi is still the most important piece of the puzzle and in ANY game he plays badly, they have a high chance of getting eliminated. Martinez could have a bad game, but we all know Messi could turn it around himself, but if Messi plays badly, Martinez turning it around would be unlikely situation.

This is why I believe that we shouldn't be expecting Argentina to win, this isn't a league, it's a tournament and there bound to be at least one game where Messi will play bad, and that's when they will end up losing and getting eliminated.

In World Cup everything is possible although I am not expecting much from the Argentinian team. The group stage is relatively easy. There is Poland that seems challenging, then there is Mexico that might be annoying and Saudi that never passed this stage tho. Getting the first place is a must to guarantee passing the round of 16 then it is a matter of luck and skills. Luck if they face easier opponents or a top team that isn't in its day. Skills if they are mostly ready for each games without injuries.
Overall I don't see speculation about that in general, World Cup isn't a normal tournament like CONMEBOL where you have to collect points, it is either you are ready for every single match or you are out!

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 18, 2022, 11:14:25 AM

I agree that France is currently underperforming in the last few matches especially in the European Cup, I think this time it will be different from the performance in the last few matches. After all, France has a lot of talented players and a winning mentality. I'm sure France can enter the semi-finals and maybe qualify as champions. We agree for the English team, but at least England has the potential to qualify for the big 8 round.

It seems that in this case I want to criticize Deschamps' performance now.
He's been a coach for a few years but until now it seems he's still a bit confused about what scheme he should do for France and this is what makes it difficult.
French players have a lot of potential but once again Deschamps still can't explore the individual abilities of his players who make their team star-studded but play very monotonous.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on July 18, 2022, 04:28:13 PM

There are a lot of teams that are better than Argentina lining up for this world cup. Personally, I find it very difficult to believe Argentina will win the Euro 2022 World Cup. But this team right now is obviously a lot better than the last world cup. They have a few weaknesses in the defensive lineup but overall they are quite balanced I will say. Argentina is going to have big problems in the defense because the last time we all knew what happened was when Argentina was playing against France. It feels like they had no match for the pace of mbappe. And I have to say since then the defense of Argentina hasn't improved. Christian Romero and Lisandro Martinez should be the backbone of Argentina's defense, but I don't think the other defenders are dependable.

You are right there are many teams better lined up as compared to Argentina.
but once the tournament starts it will show which team is in what form.

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