A disheartening true life winning story - page 2.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 09, 2022, 03:19:52 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

yes, in these cases better to stay with reliable websites, or only test new waters knowing that you may not have a return from your gambles

but the thing is that on OP's case seems like this was an existing lottery irl, not virtual, right?
this makes a totally different situation.

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Quote from: Cookdata on November 09, 2022, 04:34:16 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on November 01, 2022, 06:22:06 AM

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win, what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

You may have your reasons subjective to yourself which probably might necessitate your diction but in a global setting as this I'll appreciate you give some regards to your nationality, it wasn't necessary mentioning name for no country is law perfected and corrupt free.
Nigeria is not the only country with corrupt judiciary or leaders. We are a great nation with great people.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There a some gambling sites that are new in the business and don't have the financial wherewithall to pay a heavy and huge winning due to their infancy in the business only hoping that accumulation could be gotten from gamblers losses to meet up in building their financial strength but it becomes u fortunate for them when a huge win is what they experience as against what their plans were. This could be one reason why certain gambling sites shy away from paying him get amounts but rather elope or form one excuses.

Another could be that it was fraud intended from the start of it, and they probably might go at loss should they payout such huge amount so they resort to extinction of such site.

My advise is that gamblers should try get knowledge of the history of certain gambling site they engaged with and their reputation in the past years, etc.
It will really keep you away from such ugly experience. For we app know how painful losing money to gambling , and then the joy of winning after many loss and someone is trying to deny you of it.
It's really painful.

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Quote from: nullama on November 08, 2022, 10:53:00 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 08, 2022, 04:20:15 PM

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how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.

could be but it sounds really suspicious

indeed, it's an horrible situation
the classical case where a company prefers short term gain instead of staying in business and earning much more on the long run
makes no sense..

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 01, 2022, 06:22:06 AM

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win, what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

Except it occurs in a nation where the law is not effectively implemented! Looking at this case, it occurred in Nigeria, and because the player did not have enough money to sue the gambling house, he may lose the case since the judge may be easily influenced by money by gambling owners, but if it is a country where nonsense is not tolerated, trust me, they will pay that money, as well as other damages and for lying that the games were not recorded on their database. As far as I'm concerned, this case will likely finish with the player being compensated and accepting the loss, sometimes we are deceived because of our limited strength.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on November 09, 2022, 01:49:53 AM

Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not.

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

- Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.

If it is done illegally, he can close it, but again, getting back the money he won is very difficult. That is mostly the case if the lottery is not government-regulated. When I was a child, I heard from my parents' friends that if someone won $200k, the lottery owner would say they didn't have money because they had gone bankrupt. Then they would close the lottery store, but the problem is that it is not legal, it is illegally put up, and people are aware of it, so my parents' friends didn't get anything, and the lottery store in our neighborhood closed down.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not.

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

- Do you mean the lottery may be operating under the jurisdiction of the government illegally? Because as far as I know, as long as you hold the ticket, the complainant has a high chance of winning. Although you have a point in what you mentioned dude.

But I agree with the complainant that the lottery appears to be legitimate, but I agree with you that no one knows what the outcome of that case could be between the winner and the lottery company.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 08, 2022, 04:20:15 PM

~snip~
how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

Maybe it was a mistake?, those things do happen from time to time at places where things are not run up to standard.

But there's also the possibility of them just not wanting to pay up, which sounds horrible really.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 04, 2022, 11:27:40 AM

I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

how often a database is wiped clean nowadays?
seems like something quite rare

would probably count against the company in court, not in favour.

but you are right, the winner should have at least some evidence that they really won.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 04, 2022, 11:27:40 AM

I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

that means there is no evidence that the gambling company can show in court later if their database is deleted, the possibility that the winner of this case may win in court if he can't show strong evidence from the gambling company, this is an opportunity where the winner can show solid evidence against that gambling company

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Quote from: Fatunad on November 03, 2022, 03:56:53 PM

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

If only in terms of convenience then decentralized platforms can win because there is no sign up functions on them or KYC but you can just connect your wallet, verify the connection and you're good to go. It is also more safer because once we are done, we can disconnect our wallet along with our funds. Not unlike to a centralized platform where it's possible for users to leave their funds there and what if the platform turn into a scam later on? Or what if they will be hacked?

You will easily lose your funds that way. On topic, the excuse made by the lottery company looks so funny. Wipe out? When the results are already out in public. The guy can easily win the case as long as he have the winning ticket.

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Quote from: peter0425 on November 01, 2022, 05:58:14 AM

The company is trying their power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

I wish to also receive an update about this case on the said date fornthe next trial, if the lawyer is sound and experienced enough it's already a winning case, I've seen people winning case against a government notbto talk of gambling site or casino, though it all requires financial aid but nevertheless the case can also warrant the attraction of additional fine on the casino for the gambler as compensation.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

Can this guy win the case?

Yes ofcourse there's a chance, provided he is in a country where judicial system is strong.

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Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

I haven't personally been through this but I have read other people on this forum who has gone through the same.

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Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

It's simple, they want to scam you.

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What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

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Raising your voice against them just like how this man has raised his appeal to the court.
This will teach the gambling company a solid lesson.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on November 04, 2022, 10:48:35 AM

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

Looking at article mentioned by Op November 21 is the continuation of the trial and it can be a long journey for them because the outcome of the trial will definitely not be pleasant for one of the parties so there is a high chance that the losing party will appeal and so on.
I just can't understand how gambling company prove the dishonesty of the winner if they previously said that their database had been wiped out

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Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

But with the way I see this case, for the casino to agree to pay $29,900 out of $169,000 total winning is a sign that the casino must be a registered one, who is scared of not having its license seized because had it been the casino wasn't legit, I doubt if he would have seen a penny. Because for me, this guy has all the right to request his full payment, in as much as he won the game legitimately.

However, this is not the first time me seeing a casino refusing to pay huge winnings, because thou I know some casino has a monthly withdrawal limit of around $10k to $20k, and if that's the case for this casino, they would have equally told the winner and promise to a monthly installmental payment of either $20k for 8 consecutive months, instead of keeping mute.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 04, 2022, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: noormcs5 on October 26, 2022, 02:30:35 PM

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

As far as I know, the lottery gambling business makes a lot of money for these business people. so I'm not sure, if the lottery company is not financially sound. as for this case, I think we should try to be fair in this judgment from both sides.
in @obari's thread, the company refused because the man was allegedly involved in irregularities. here is the link
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

I think this case must be determined from the court results later, how both of them prove it with the evidence they have.
if this man is proven not to have cheated, the lottery company must be willing to pay the money he deserves. however, unfortunately we do not have further information regarding this lottery case.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 04, 2022, 09:44:39 AM

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

That's right, lottery companies do have money to pay for winnings. but they don't want to pay for big wins that might hurt their business finances.

hoping justice will be served, but seeing as how the lottery company has plenty of money to be able to stop the case. hopefully, no bribery case will harm the plaintiff.

Stopping scam practices from casinos or gambling companies is quite difficult. especially when it comes to online casinos. they can close and then create a new online casino again. then cheat again.
just a suggestion, find a really good one and pay. and keep playing there. don't switch to a new one, because a new one doesn't necessarily pay off.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on October 26, 2022, 02:30:35 PM

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery.

I disagree that lottery companies do not have money, if they don't why are they doing it? This is a business for them and it's a lucrative one as well, which is making them increasingly common these days.

Quote from: panganib999 on October 31, 2022, 02:53:07 PM

Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

I understand the angle from which you are seeing this case, but I believe there is still justice in Nigeria's court in a case like this. No powerful people could intimidate him ian this case. If they had the power, they would have done that before it gets to the court.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 04:15:17 PM

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no.

Never! They will not refund a lost game, but they want to deprive the winner of a won trade. I detest a thing like this, cheating gets me most annoyed.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 04:15:17 PM

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery

They dare not do rubbish with the stated countries, these are sane countries that don't take the rights of their citizens lightly.

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Quote from: Fatunad on November 03, 2022, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2022, 10:46:10 AM

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

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dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

you are right we should also consider exchanges
the thing is that exchanges have another variable that is not the most important in gambling: liquidity.
before liquidity was a big deal with order books, uniswap pretty much solved it with their pool model, but it's still an issue when it comes to bridging in an out of crypto from fiat.

totally agree to regarding the topic that justice should be on the side of the winners in case they have all the proof for the contests/lotteries

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 03, 2022, 10:46:10 AM

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

Even though lets talk not only limited on gambling sites or platforms but also in exchanges as well.We know that being decentralized is good but there are things which we do actually need for us to be convenient and
easy access on some certain things which we can only find on centralized platforms which its no surprise that it is really getting more users and been preferred compared over security.
We cant deny nor ignore that fact which it is something that we do really need to realize.

Back on topic which getting some legal actions towards these companies about not on paying your winning then it would really be just worth on doing so.
As long you do have the evidences and the winning amount is just worth for you to fight on then dont really be afraid.

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