A disheartening true life winning story - page 3.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

Quote from: Reid on October 24, 2022, 03:58:15 AM

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not.

Holding the winning ticket (if there is any) is the valid proof. If the guy kept the ticket for sure there is a huge chance he will win the case

Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

I do not think it depends on the country, i rather think the result will depends on the judge or juries that is holding the case. If they (judge or juries) can be bought then we know what will happen.

Quote from: Smartprofit on November 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

I think the case is very strong, the alibi of the company is too weak and might end up for more than 1 count of offense.

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The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

They are facing three counts of conspiracy, obtaining under false pretences and stealing, charges preferred against him by the Lagos State Government.

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Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.

dropping centralized gambling for decentralized is a great point, I totally agree
but you think we'll reach a turning point where decentralized becomes bigger than centralized? seems like due to the technical barrier and even some tech things people usually prefer convenience over security and comfort over choosing the best option in terms of fairness.

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There should be suspicion for the company because how can they run a gambling company if there is a problem with the database in their company? And if there is another trial, I can only imagine that it will not end in the next trial and if that happens, it looks like the company really wants to buy time so that the case doesn't go public again. And if the case sinks because no one picks it up, the company doesn't have to bother to prepare many things or else there will be another diversion of such issues.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 01, 2022, 06:22:06 AM

Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol.

that's why we need a reference from people who are experienced in their fields so that we don't choose the wrong lottery company or online gambling site, I also used to think like that what if I win big can I withdraw the winning money, therefore I always withdraw money even though get a little win because I'm worried that when I win big there will be problems like that

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 01, 2022, 12:51:07 AM

I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

Very much agree.

The company must really pay him regardless of the challenging circumstance they are facing. The winning has nothing to do already about the error in the company's datable. It is their responsibility to always double or even triple check their system before and after making a draw to ensure that no unfortunate situation such as this will happen. I believe it is the company's negligence that brought them into the situation. I'm really glad the winner pursued legal action because if he won't it might happen again in the future. It is their duty to fulfill their obligations and pay the winning prize to the winner.

For sure, the winner and now, the complainant has enough evidences to support his claim to reach this far. I really do hope he'll win in the court and make the company pay for his winning prize as well as all the damages done such as wasted time by just filing and taking the necessary actions as well as the emotional stress it brought him. Hopefully, the winner will give us an update about this case because it is really disheartening to know you just won, but turns out you suddenly don't because of some bullshit of the lottery company.

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Am I the only one also thinking that if I ever win, they will not give my winnings? I know it's a kind of trust issue, but still, that is mostly coming to my mind when going to the lottery and even to an online gambling website, but still, I continue to bet, lol. From every angle, we see that person would win the case even though the database has been wiped out because the result of it was public no matter what they say. Still, the problem is that if they give some money(the lottery) to the judge(possibly the other side will win) or they will win, what I am scared of is that due to technical difficulties, the judge will declare that he won the case, but the issue is that the lottery will only give half of the amount.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 01, 2022, 12:51:07 AM

I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I also agree anyone you ask will tell you that its not the fault of the bettor its the company's fault for having a defective database

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I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

There could be a settlement because the lottery company will lose their reputation and their bettors will dwindle you never do that to your bettor, if they can get away with this they can get away with anything.

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But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

He should, he has a strong case he should teach this lottery company a lesson it's a bad precedent the winner in a lottery should always deserve its prize, any alibi is invalid, especially if it's about a database that is not the fault of the bettor.

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If he still has the winning ticket with the drawn numbers, and there is a record of those numbers being drawn on the official website or on TV (I am not sure how that lotto works), he has a case against the organizers. They can claim their software experienced bugs and whatever, they want, if the winner can prove he won, the lotto has got to pay and he will win the court battle.

However, all this takes place in Nigeria. Corruption and fraud isn't unknown there. But that can be said about many other regions. If the court is independent and the judge doesn't get bribed or threatened to rule against the player, he should get his winnings eventually.

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The company is trying their power to push believing the Person/victim will not run far against them, that is why they are settling twice with small amount , but now that they find it serious , they will use that said amount to fight and win the battle.

in this will be needing a trustworthy court and government because this is a David and Goliath fight that the advantage will always towards the Big or the giant.

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Quote from: Reid on October 24, 2022, 03:58:15 AM

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

It's hard to answer the question of whether this guy will win the lawsuit or not.

It depends on the country in which this story took place and on the laws in force in that country.

Sometimes, when filing a lawsuit, the plaintiff is faced with a situation where an online casino or bookmaker is not registered as a legal entity at all or is registered as a legal entity, but with nominee owners and general directors.

In this case, it may be difficult to file a claim and win a lawsuit.

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I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.

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We might know later how this case ends up, but I think he might win it.

Also I think there's a possibility that the company actually had a technical issue, as those things happen, specially at small companies. Although it could well be that they don't want to pay the full sum and that's why they wanted to settle for way less.

At the end of the day, casino operators aren't very happy paying big prizes, they just want to take your money, so they will do anything they can to do so.

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Quote from: n0ne on October 31, 2022, 04:19:19 PM

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 04:15:17 PM

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

I cant really blame myself on getting paranoid or having those impressions that things turns out to be always shit and unfair for those who doesnt have money that could settle out or taking up advantage from it.

We know on how corruption and injustice does work where even those complainants or victims are the ones should be clearly be helped but ending up on being dismissed or they dont have sufficient evidence or
make things amicable or something like that.
This is the truth into those things which does have that financial capacity which we could really do whatever we do have in mind or simply using up money
to take advantage.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 27, 2022, 01:18:22 PM

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

To be honest at least and from my understanding, machines don’t lie, for every output, there should be an input that was already sent in the first place, it is obvious that the lottery company is lying and using that excuse to cover their tracks not to pay the player.
I’m very familiar with Lotto machine and I have seen how it operates, the fact that the lotto machine printed out his ticket, there was something that was processed, why did the machine didn’t failed to record other transactions, it was only the won tickets that was omitted in their record.

They did deliberately removed that number from the machine probably before he came back because they as the operator know this result when it is announced and for them to be pleading with the winner to accept 27% of his winnings shows they are trying to bury the matter at all cost but good that he didn’t accept the cut.

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Quote from: n0ne on October 31, 2022, 04:19:19 PM

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 04:15:17 PM

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery,yeah the huge national lottery and they don't get the money.I worked in Italy in the early 2000 and there was this super popular game called "Super Ena Lotto" if I remember it correctly where you had to find 13 games correctly (not correct scores,just correct outcome) between Serie A and Serie B,of course most of the games being from Serie A and a few persons won it really big because the odd for 13 games were really big and they were being shown on TV and they were like some gurus of gambling.The same with Powerball in Australia.

What I want to say is that stories like this do not happen usually in Western developed countries running by the rule of law.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on October 31, 2022, 04:15:17 PM

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

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The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

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Quote from: panganib999 on October 31, 2022, 02:53:07 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

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I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

First, i will like you to understand that in this current world we live in, if you have no money, you gat no rights, i dont know about your country but this is simply how it is in my country currently, you need money to be able to have a say, almost everything resolves around money - No wonder the Holy book categorically made it clear that money is a defense.

So this is to tell you that this people you think loose their potential millions of dollars to large cooperation do not or did not do so out of fear, they simply lacked what it takes to get hold of what rightfully belongs to them, they need money to start a case with the supposed large cooperation, they need money to hire a good lawyer, they need money to sort out all the miscellaneous bills that might arise in the process of the case, and this might be someone that's not been able to feed well or even wear good clothes....
This is the major reason why most easily give up what is rightfully theirs when the power holding it refuses to give it to them willingly.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 03:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

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Quote from: judeafante on October 27, 2022, 07:58:56 AM

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Quote from: samcrypto on October 24, 2022, 06:30:47 PM

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

Quote from: goinmerry on October 24, 2022, 07:44:16 PM

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

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Quote from: yazher on October 25, 2022, 04:26:22 AM

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company

You have a very good point here. The damage has been done to the company already, no one would trust them anymore. And the good news is that there are alternatives, so they will lose more customers as the guy even wins the case in court.

Quote from: freedomgo on October 27, 2022, 01:18:22 PM

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void.

This is not rarely happening in my country, a state governor recently give a stern warning to all gambling companies in his state due to similar cases. But the only difference is that the money in most cases is often small to be published/referenced.

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on October 27, 2022, 06:13:07 PM

If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man

This is beyond being licenced or not, they are liable since they run the lottery inside a country. It might not be at the jurisdiction of the National Gambling Board if it is not licenced, but the reach of the court is beyond that.

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