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Quote from: freedomgo on October 27, 2022, 12:18:22 PM

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

^Local lottery will not let this happen and that is right, this is a rare case that I have heard in a lottery based on an offline casino.
There are too many possible reasons why he did not claim his prize and probably how about the ticket that he has, it should be there is no scratch and this should not be crumpled. Bu if that is a licensed casino, there is no reason they did not pay winners, because they have a reputation to care not unless they are ready to shut down their business.

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If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man..... believe me, those greedy Hamsters will just cut a huge piece of cake outta the lump-sum .... Have you cared to ask: why was he offered $23,000 and $29,000 respectively? From a mere casino branch? Reason out....if they had their database wiped, it should be a widely reached international damage (from the control office wherever it is), so how does a single database for a branch casino gets wiped? When payments of won bets are sents from the control office, so how come they didn't receive the increase in funds to pay up the dude?

Look, ......I don't participating in falsified, un-acertain discussions, whatever..... Is either the branch casino received the funds and refuse to payout -- giving out that little cut portion just to see if he'd give up on the case so they'd claim the rest OR, the whole story is a BLATANT LIE.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on October 24, 2022, 03:54:40 AM

Please can you include the link for the authenticity of this information. I will also like to read the news in full.

I don't know where he gets the information on the case from but this case sounds similar to what happened in one of the African cities "Lagos, Nigeria". The court case of a Nigerian guy that won the sum of a 72million naira after playing one of its games ''Green lottery" in 2019. Since then the lottery company refused to pay him because of alleged engaged irregularities. And he charged them in court
Link to similar case information.
Why we didn't pay the lottery winner

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Quote from: Reid on October 24, 2022, 02:58:15 AM

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

The gambler should pursue this case because it’s very obvious that the casino has a big lapse on this. I guess as long as money is involved, there are always cheating that are bound to happen, when it’s not supposed to. Otherwise, if the gambler quit, he’ll eventually lose all his winnings, but if he will pursue the case, he will definitely win in the end.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on October 27, 2022, 02:20:17 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.

This is true which it is really just a solid indication that you are on the right path on fighting for your right on getting your full winnings.Dont let them able to pay out some small amount for the settlement.

It do really sucks when you do experience on holded or locked up funds or withdrawals in case you do win big for some reasoning which you dont even know on what you had done specially if you do able to

hit those numbers legally or on a fair way.If they do refuse to pay and if its a significant amount then it wont really be that a waste on putting it into some legal action.
You should fight on what you do own or had win up.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.

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Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 27, 2022, 04:35:59 AM

Quote from: samcrypto on October 24, 2022, 05:30:47 PM

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

Quote from: goinmerry on October 24, 2022, 06:44:16 PM

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 25, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

Quote from: yazher on October 25, 2022, 03:26:22 AM

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company, and the court will eventually prevail and make that company pay, gambling establishments and sites thrive on trust if they lose the trust of the betting public they will cease to exist, so if they refuse to pay they get the wrath of the betting public and that's the end of their company.

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Quote from: samcrypto on October 24, 2022, 05:30:47 PM

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

Quote from: goinmerry on October 24, 2022, 06:44:16 PM

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 25, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

Quote from: yazher on October 25, 2022, 03:26:22 AM

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 25, 2022, 03:41:48 PM

what a bizarre and unusual case
lotteries make a lot of money, why they'd refuse to pay? would totally break confidence for future games.

let's hope justice stays in the side of the guy who won...

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery. Secondly, how unfortunate is it that you won something in lottery and the gambling house does not let you withdraw your money?

Quote from: Daltonik on October 26, 2022, 04:07:50 AM

Deception and fraud are quite common in national lotteries, since the system is not transparent and closed, that is, there is a temptation for manipulation in this area, it may also turn out that the winners actually represented may be just figureheads, and this is of course sad.

You are right as in most of the lotteries, no real person is declared as a winner. The decision or selection of the inners in lotteries are never transparent. They are done hiddenly and in most of the cases, the near and dear ones are nominated as winners and the prize money remains with the person who initiated or arranged the lottery.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Can this guy win the case?

There's a good chance for him to win the case based on what happened and hopefully, he gets every single amount of his winning and not just a portion.

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?

I experienced it a few times when the sportsbook overturned my winning tickets as their provider was faulty at that time.

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?

There could be different reasons why casinos don't pay big wins, most casinos usually have a max win amount so they could only pay up to a certain amount regardless of the money their players put in. Or they don't have enough bankroll to pay the user. In online casinos, it's because of the terms and conditions as most casinos would require KYC whenever big winnings are involved.

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

There needs to be some sort of authority in their place that keeps casinos in check so there'd be a much more convenient way to resolve those kinds of issues.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Honestly speaking, if he is not rich and living in a country where corruption always wins then I don't think he can win the case even if he company can't make him to lose they can drag the case for years and they shut everything silently by giving money to the people later. This is really annoying thing happen when we are lucky and unlucky at the same time.

About the question you asked

1. Personally I didn't faced anything which maybe fortunately or unfortunately. Cheesy

2. Money is the reason
3. Every casino either its offline or online should be regulated to operate but obviously it can take away the privacy still we can put the money is on higher priority list for most of the people.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

I believe these things really happening in reality but just rarely or the lottery company were able to pay a much lower amount compared to what is won while threatening the man/woman to be silent as they won't even win the case even if they were to file a case. Anyway, reading the story made me furious and saddened on the man's behalf because he wasn't paid the right amount, the lottery company was already guilty when they tried to bribe him.

One thing is for sure, that man will win the case because I bet the court will make an example for these company. There's enough evidence to confirm that the man has won the lottery but the company chose to neglect him.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Its exactly these reasons why we need drop centralized gambling and make decentralized gambling (with provably fair, audited protocols) the new norm. Gambling companies think they can get away with everything and its disgusting to see when they do get away with it.

As far as the guy is concerned, I doubt he will be able to win his case unless he has some hard proof which they have not been able to wipe away, quickly. As far as your question to why anyone would take your money and refuse to pay you your winnings, the answer is simple: because they can. And they have absolutely no moral qualms about screwing you over, if they can. But that goes for all businesses, not just gambling.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

This is both fraud and stealing and the regulators should stop their operations, this is the first time I read that a winner was refused his prize because of an error when the result comes out it is final, they will end up paying more because the complainant can ask for additional damages, another surprise is the defendant pleaded not guilty, even if the case drags on the complainant is assure of victory that is if the complainant will not settle for less.

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Quote from: dezoel on October 25, 2022, 04:21:20 PM

Interesting that the company offer him money right after the guy attempted to report them. This tells that the gambling company is guilty for not paying the money. If this happens to some gamblers I think they are willing to accept the offer because for them it is better than nothing but our views about it will be bad.

The winner is supposed to get his full winnings not just a fraction of it and what if the same act happens to other gamblers? This company can repeat the same modes. Their company needs to be shutdown before it happens. I salute this guy in the story, that he didn't get tempted for the small amount but he wants a real justice.

well, that was their try to bribe the guy and saving some thousand dollars of the prize
hoping the guy wouldn't have the guts to proceed
maybe if they offered 50% or even 80% of the prize the guy would accept, but not so little compared to what he won.

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Quote from: Oasisman on October 26, 2022, 03:10:16 AM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

He have a higher chance to win this case, most especially if he have secretly documented that moment when the gambling company has offered him money to take back his charges against them. That alone could be used as a huge evidence that the gambling company did something wrong.
Database malfunction is also a hard thing to believe on especially if there were a lottery result already. It is the gambling company who will be held liable for any database malfunction and they're obliged to pay the winner regardless.

But not many people will realize that they have to document the moment to turn it into evidence that will help them in court later. And if they can get full evidence to show at trial, that could prove that the casino really did wrong and should pay for it. It's very rare cases of database crashes occur in casinos because we're talking about huge cash flows and how casinos can profit if they don't count it in their database. But I don't know, we as ordinary people don't know the truth. But hopefully, this case can be finished well.

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on October 26, 2022, 06:11:55 AM

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The idea is that if a gambling company does not have that kind of money, they should limit the maximum possible winnings at the software level. The fact that they deleted the winnings information shows that they are trying to cheat this guy. It will be very difficult to prove that he really won, but if he has money for good lawyers, he could win in court and get his winnings, albeit with a delay.

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What i noticed is that i don't think if the company has such huge amount of money to pay and they are looking for a way of shortening the payment which is why he was offered that Sum of $26k maybe there was lots of winning which the company can't afford to pay all and his winnings. But i wonder's why they aren't transparent enough to inform him about their out of funds which might have been put into consideration to pay partly or within a short time frame.

1. He might win the case but the company may not pay his winning at a go
2. The payment might not be huge as the initial because they could be out of fund.
3. If the bettor who won the game is not financially balance, he might lost the case because i know how the Nigerian system works.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 24, 2022, 02:43:45 AM

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

Deception and fraud are quite common in national lotteries, since the system is not transparent and closed, that is, there is a temptation for manipulation in this area, it may also turn out that the winners actually represented may be just figureheads, and this is of course sad.

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