Topic: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! - page 135. (Read 529056 times)
July 28, 2014, 05:23:43 PM
you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining.if you dont want this, then dont put money in a pre order product. you made a choice ,now deal with the consequentes like an adult. all this whining makes me more tired then alphas flaws
July 28, 2014, 05:21:39 PM
They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"
Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.
Fluctuations in the financial market affects only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.
I won't bet on my opinion at court, nor on yours.
@Mikebeav3r
A lot of products on kickstarter are specefied very exactly upfront.
RE:Kickstarter, yes, they may be very well specified upfront, but the point is, it is a crowd funding site, the rewards are given as an incentive, but if they don't deliver, you are owed nothing, instead they chose to be a business and as such are bound by the laws of the kingdom.
July 28, 2014, 05:19:59 PM
>Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract.
Yea i didnt explain this well. I mean, if there exist a "product on demand" i allegedly ordered, there should exits a contract with personalized wishes i placed with this order and finally completed with my and ATs signature. I know this from ordering a individual car. It exists a contract which isnt simple to be canceled (only within one week, only if purchase not conducted at local dealer, price rises after purchase, stuff like this blabla).
Something like that doenst exist. The whole act happened was like ordering a mass product on the basis of B2C.
Yea i didnt explain this well. I mean, if there exist a "product on demand" i allegedly ordered, there should exits a contract with personalized wishes i placed with this order and finally completed with my and ATs signature. I know this from ordering a individual car. It exists a contract which isnt simple to be canceled (only within one week, only if purchase not conducted at local dealer, price rises after purchase, stuff like this blabla).
Something like that doenst exist. The whole act happened was like ordering a mass product on the basis of B2C.
July 28, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
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those feckers are at lightning speed in banning arent they? not a single activity for a month and now that dickhead Fiaz or whoever bans you in 30 mns after a bad comment
July 28, 2014, 05:17:40 PM
They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"
Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.
Fluctuations in the financial market affects only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.
I won't bet on my opinion at court, nor on yours.
@Mikebeav3r
A lot of products on kickstarter are specefied very exactly upfront + shipping date.
July 28, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
If this is a financial product... so are money bags, UV note checkers, coin holders etc.
It is a machine that does a job, it's a computer by all accounts.
If they had done a kick starter or a proper "crowd funding" thing, then no one would have a leg to stand on RE: DSR's, but as they offered an actual product, with set design specs and a shipping date (of sorts, bunch of lying cu*ts), then they are accountable to the DSR's, just as any person who sells something for a set price online, eBay, Amazon Market place etc, you sell for a Buy it Now, and ANYONE can return it is they don't want it, up to 7 days after purchase, without any penalty or re-stocking charge, yes, it sounds unfair, but this is THE LAW, these are the rules, if you want to be an online business , you need to adhere to those sort of things.
It is a machine that does a job, it's a computer by all accounts.
If they had done a kick starter or a proper "crowd funding" thing, then no one would have a leg to stand on RE: DSR's, but as they offered an actual product, with set design specs and a shipping date (of sorts, bunch of lying cu*ts), then they are accountable to the DSR's, just as any person who sells something for a set price online, eBay, Amazon Market place etc, you sell for a Buy it Now, and ANYONE can return it is they don't want it, up to 7 days after purchase, without any penalty or re-stocking charge, yes, it sounds unfair, but this is THE LAW, these are the rules, if you want to be an online business , you need to adhere to those sort of things.
July 28, 2014, 05:09:35 PM
They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"
Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.
Fluctuations in the financial market affect only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.
July 28, 2014, 05:05:32 PM
@Slipknot79
Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract.
@Mikebeav3r
I added some things in my last posting.
Well, but Ford sold on stock products.
Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract.
@Mikebeav3r
I added some things in my last posting.
Well, but Ford sold on stock products.
July 28, 2014, 05:02:26 PM
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The item is NOT custom built to YOUR specifications, there is NO personalisation to this unit that could / would stop them from selling it to another person, if it is personalised, i.e, has your own specs added to it (custom PC parts etc) or specific colour not normally available, has writting / engraving etc, then it is personalised, but as it stands, each one of these is either 50 or 250, all internal and external components are the same and no one has had it personalised to their own spec, it is as the manufacturer offered.
They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. Everything else doesn't matter. My opinion.I buy and sell stuff all the time for my job that I intend to sell, as do lots of shops and car dealers, it would be bloody stupid to make / buy something you didn't think would sell.
How do you think Ford get on when they make a new model car?
Oh yeah, they do market research like Alpha did, Alpha knew there was a market and offered a product for people to buy, don't try and make them out to be the victims in this... it's business, you want to sell something? get it done quickly, people might wanna go else where if you fuck them about, ignore them.
Can you imagine Dominoes banning you from their shop because you complained to your mate on Facebook that your pizza was late? nah, didn't think so.
But that is pretty much what Alpha has done, banned people from the customer forums for complaining that there has been silence, nothing at all from them apart from "SOON" for 2 months, so high tensions and people being pissed off is pretty much par for the course now.
July 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PM
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
If there would exist any contract i entered, there should exist a paper with some blabla and with my and ATs signature. Cant remember to have seen such a paper.
B2B or B2C usually make contracts among themselves, but i cannot perceive such act.
July 28, 2014, 04:42:54 PM
does someone know how do they ban the People . by ip ?
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July 28, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
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The item is NOT custom built to YOUR specifications, there is NO personalisation to this unit that could / would stop them from selling it to another person, if it is personalised, i.e, has your own specs added to it (custom PC parts etc) or specific colour not normally available, has writting / engraving etc, then it is personalised, but as it stands, each one of these is either 50 or 250, all internal and external components are the same and no one has had it personalised to their own spec, it is as the manufacturer offered.
They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so."for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"
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The main thing is, i am an individual and i bought as individual. I am a legal individual, so AT has to treat me as individual.
Correct, it's B2C definitly if you did not order as a company.Quote
The second thing is, the distance selling regulations do not set "goods" appart from "products made on demand". Both are goods, so both fall within the scope of DSR.
Sorry but this is wrong at least within the EU. July 28, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
You mean, Intel sells his CPUs coz theres a customers demand, so no EU law apply on Intel CPUs?
A company offers a product which is built on customers demand (made especially for you). They wouldn't have built this product without asking for it.
I hope you understand what I mean...English is not my main language.
I'm looking for some english documents where this behavior is explained.
// This is the wright one I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_to_Order
B2B is definitly a wrong argument because they had to make sure you are a real business customer when the order was placed.
The main thing is, i am an individual and i bought as individual. I am a legal individual, so AT has to treat me as individual.
July 28, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
You mean, Intel sells his CPUs coz theres a customers demand, so no EU law apply on Intel CPUs?
A company offers a product which is built on customers demand (made especially for you). They wouldn't have built this product without asking for it.
I hope you understand what I mean...English is not my main language.
I'm looking for some english documents where this behavior is explained.
// This is the wright one I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_to_Order
B2B is definitly a wrong argument because they had to make sure you are a real business customer when the order was placed.
The item is NOT custom built to YOUR specifications, there is NO personalisation to this unit that could / would stop them from selling it to another person, if it is personalised, i.e, has your own specs added to it (custom PC parts etc) or specific colour not normally available, has writting / engraving etc, then it is personalised, but as it stands, each one of these is either 50 or 250, all internal and external components are the same and no one has had it personalised to their own spec, it is as the manufacturer offered.
July 28, 2014, 04:22:36 PM
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
You mean, Intel sells his CPUs coz theres a customers demand, so no EU law apply on Intel CPUs?
A company offers a product which is built on customers demand (made especially for you). They wouldn't have built this product without asking for it.
I hope you understand what I mean...English is not my main language.
I'm looking for some english documents where this behavior is explained.
// This is the wright one I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_to_Order
B2B is definitly a wrong argument because they had to make sure you are a real business customer when the order was placed.
July 28, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
AT makes this argument that you classify as a business because the miners can only be used to mine cryptocurrency.
If you can provably demonstrate that to be false, then it kind of destroys their entire legal claim, regardless of whether they think it's legal or not. The truth is, the only way to recover your money is going to be to either sell, or take legal action.
If you can provably demonstrate that to be false, then it kind of destroys their entire legal claim, regardless of whether they think it's legal or not. The truth is, the only way to recover your money is going to be to either sell, or take legal action.
July 28, 2014, 04:17:54 PM
Just noticed the email about September delivery.
Curious, since a bit of the gist of AT's argument against refunds is regarding their claim that customers are ALL businesses.
So, how many of you have Business Tax ID numbers and the like?
Curious, since a bit of the gist of AT's argument against refunds is regarding their claim that customers are ALL businesses.
So, how many of you have Business Tax ID numbers and the like?
This is one of the main arguments. We dont have any tax IDs, no company registrations numbers and shit like this. Most of us are individual and most of us bought as legal individual.
Dat also means, that the invoices of AT are illegal, for many reasons. Two of them: We are individuals and theres on IDs, reg numbers etc provided on the invoices. AT even didnt ask for dat, and they try to tout a individual to business relationship as business to business relationship.
You know when a company is trying to find loopholes in the law there is a serious problem going on. As far as the recent update about September delivery, I simply don't believe them anymore. They've cried wolf for far too long and it is time to throw them into jail.
Such fraud-companys invent new interpretations in words and law texts. Suddenly theres is a new meaning and it doesnt comply with the originally ideas of the text author. Such companies could be helped with dat lack of comprehension. Simply before a court.
July 28, 2014, 04:08:17 PM
Due to the fact that this product is made on customers demand, customers have no cancelation or refund rights by EU law. Sold B2B or B2C doesn't matter. There is just one date they have to met to stay within their contract: delivery within Q3.
You mean, Intel sells his CPUs coz theres a customers demand, so no EU law apply on Intel CPUs?
Dont forget, AT viper units are mass products.
July 28, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
does someone know how do they ban the People . by ip ?
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July 28, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
does someone know how do they ban the People . by ip ?
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