Dear ION community, I thought you might be interested in the beta launch of our gaming portal www.MUEgs.com
We currently have the one game, developed in house by roslinpl, undergoing public beta testing.
We hope to be able to reach out soon to other games developers, possibly from this community, to grow the games portfolio.
Hope you find this of interest
Many thanks
B
Team MUE
Topic: [ANN] ION [ION] | POS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! - page 115. (Read 473123 times)
August 23, 2017, 10:33:59 AM
August 22, 2017, 06:43:32 PM
will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely.
https://news.ionomy.com/darkmatter/
Quote
60% given away through a series of airdrops to select digital tokens and currencies, for those who register their wallet addresses on ionomy.com.
If there is an airdrop for ION bagholders... guess who owns the largest bag of IONs, 75%+ of total supply.
surely they wouldnt airdrop to their ion premine addresses surely... also how is it hyperdeflationarywhen its only 90% trans fees that are burnt... fees are small so its reducing bugger all. thats deflationary sure but hyperdeflationary? they really go over the top missusing buzz words to excite people in dont they? thats actually false advertising to a point.
its like saying huge sale with MASSIVE discounts, then you get in store and its 1% off. its the actual same thing.
August 22, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely.
https://news.ionomy.com/darkmatter/
Quote
60% given away through a series of airdrops to select digital tokens and currencies, for those who register their wallet addresses on ionomy.com.
If there is an airdrop for ION bagholders... guess who owns the largest bag of IONs, 75%+ of total supply.
August 22, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time.
BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining.
Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law
Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces
In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain
You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance.
"Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual
Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered.
i caught onto that one too suchmoon. korvas just basically defends against anything said. we can never be partially right or sometimes right only never right. because if we are it breaks the ionomy faith model.
rick james chimes in on it like an authority. truth is ion team is winging things like changing ico to crowdfund after googling law info themselves.
the big picture here is this whole business costs money crap by korvas. the truth is ion core group have paid themselves all the btc money delivered bugger all and now need their next 2 years paycheck so are going again. will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely.
honestly they hoped after gravity devs would be lining up so they'd get a constant pay stream. it failed. korvas wont just attempt to even question if they have spent the money smartly or on things other than themselves.
wildshark? he's just an incoherent fool that doesnt even do responses to asked questions that make sense. huey laughs at him behind his back but tolerates him due to his foolish money spends for whale status
August 22, 2017, 06:04:29 PM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
So you can't put in writing what the Ionomy vision is? Then quit using the "you just don't know the vision" as your arguement.
Where do I say 'you just don't know the vision'.
You got the mission statement / general direction what you want is the next level of detail.
I like everyone else on slack don't yet have the full picture. I can tell what I think it will be but as I don't want people like you to invest at this level I'll keep my thoughts to myself. When Ion hits $20 I won't be so concerned.
I apologize, that was WildShill that keeps taunting people about not knowing the Ionomy vision. I believe the quote went something along the lines of "383 pages and you trolls still don't know the Ionomy Vision". WildShark? What is it? The team has been hacked and re based and claims to be a gaming coin but only released half a game in 16+ months. How is one supposed to deduce what the Ionomy vision is? In the beginning it wasn't about profit, it was about believing in a project and said project was a gaming project (remember, 1 game per month? I believe it STILL says that) and now it's all about the profit. Profit, profit, profit. Not one word about any more games and not a single word about Gravity, except for the hacked leaderboard. So does Ionomy really have a vision? It seems their vision is throwing shit at a wall and see what sticks.
August 22, 2017, 06:00:01 PM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
So you can't put in writing what the Ionomy vision is? Then quit using the "you just don't know the vision" as your arguement.
Where do I say 'you just don't know the vision'.
You got the mission statement / general direction what you want is the next level of detail.
I like everyone else on slack don't yet have the full picture. I can tell what I think it will be but as I don't want people like you to invest at this level I'll keep my thoughts to myself. When Ion hits $20 I won't be so concerned.
thats that howey test fail again.
common enterprise --> check buying ion relying on ionomy vision to advance it not knowing the entire picture
expectation of profit --> check you quoting price values all the time you are expecting profits from ion team work
btw if you're going to say i have no clue at least make sure you do first before admitting you dont. you cant claim someone else has no clue if you yourself dont. without knowledge on the fact you arent capable of dismissing another as not having one when you arent an authority yourself.
August 22, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time.
BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining.
Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law
Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces
In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain
You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance.
"Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual
Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered.
August 22, 2017, 03:12:54 PM
No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time.
BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining.
Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law
Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces
In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain
August 22, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
So you can't put in writing what the Ionomy vision is? Then quit using the "you just don't know the vision" as your arguement.
Where do I say 'you just don't know the vision'.
You got the mission statement / general direction what you want is the next level of detail.
I like everyone else on slack don't yet have the full picture. I can tell what I think it will be but as I don't want people like you to invest at this level I'll keep my thoughts to myself. When Ion hits $20 I won't be so concerned.
August 22, 2017, 12:26:03 PM
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is.
Ionomy Vision is AWESOME!!!
It is blatantly obvious you have no clue what the Ionomy Vision is.
I asked what the Ionomy Vision was and the response by a senior whale was "Awesome". Goes right along with the fact we should trust the team cause they're "nice".
I used the keyword "AWESOME" taken from the old PayCoin days... as in this AWESOME PAYCON 2.0 advertised by the BCT Trolls
August 22, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
Nice non-sequitur but what's the vision? Whatever the team tells you tomorrow?
And how much profit is ionomy making right now, what with their 50 players who need to be bribed to play?
August 22, 2017, 09:15:29 AM
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is.
Ionomy Vision is AWESOME!!!
It is blatantly obvious you have no clue what the Ionomy Vision is.
I asked what the Ionomy Vision was and the response by a senior whale was "Awesome". Goes right along with the fact we should trust the team cause they're "nice".
August 22, 2017, 09:13:31 AM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
So you can't put in writing what the Ionomy vision is? Then quit using the "you just don't know the vision" as your arguement.
August 22, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is.
Ionomy Vision is AWESOME!!!
August 22, 2017, 08:26:09 AM
Explain to me please, than POS 3.0, differs from POS 2.0 and POS 1.0.
The principle is the same, just changed the number?
The principle is the same, just changed the number?
August 22, 2017, 08:23:50 AM
lol because there is no expectation of profit even if wildshark and korvas make posts about it being so
@o0o0 It good to see you using our BCT posts as evidence in your statements...
lol "Make it so" User Zero
August 22, 2017, 08:22:42 AM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
For a business or an investor a basic rule.....
Revenue = Vanity
Profit = Sanity
Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist
Are you a philanthropist ?
I wish I was but.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8
Maybe one day I will be
August 22, 2017, 06:00:50 AM
No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time.
BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining.
damn their ingenius plan by chief strategist matlack of renaming it and having company offshore is fallible. maybe they can call it a donation ? thats what it ends up becoming lol because there is no expectation of profit even if wildshark and korvas make posts about it being so
August 22, 2017, 04:40:22 AM
No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time.
BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining.
August 21, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
@korvas and @wildshark
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continue
why is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere.
lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered.
There is an investment of money
--> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash.
It is in a common enterprise
--> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc
There is an expectation of profits
--> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise
Profits are derived from the efforts of others
--> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling.
what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me.
My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling.
The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy
so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though.
rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it.
so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well.
also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing?
all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing.
i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go.
The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk?
And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole.
I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then.
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