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legendary
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Lol post of the week.

Just out of curiosity. There are so many coins involved with blocknet. Why is it only the xc dev and xc pr talk in here???  Where are the other coin devs and other coin community members?

We are here, don`t forget that we are working constantly on improving and delivering new features for our communities too

Cheers
legendary
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ohhh???

Kademlia

You may have failed to notice that the post that you quoted does not assert that DHT isn't true P2P; it asserts that Kademlia - and whatever else Bittorrent uses - isn't.
If I happened not to add, for completeness of expression, that some DHT is serverless, that doesn't mean we're now using a method that isn't true P2P.

With respect to DHT, being serverless is what counts as far as I'm aware.
With respect to inter-node communication, using a P2P protocol and not RPC calls is what counts.
Lastly, it'll benefit you to recall that Dan has proposed a hybrid DHT-mesh.


Oh my bad, this was the part I think you think you thought it wasn't, I think?


Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.

I think the benefit here, for you, is that what you're doing is done so you can do what you do best which is twisty fluff like the best of them.

Lol post of the week.

Just out of curiosity. There are so many coins involved with blocknet. Why is it only the xc dev and xc pr talk in here???  Where are the other coin devs and other coin community members?
hero member
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ohhh???

Kademlia

You may have failed to notice that the post that you quoted does not assert that DHT isn't true P2P; it asserts that Kademlia - and whatever else Bittorrent uses - isn't.
If I happened not to add, for completeness of expression, that some DHT is serverless, that doesn't mean we're now using a method that isn't true P2P.

With respect to DHT, being serverless is what counts as far as I'm aware.
With respect to inter-node communication, using a P2P protocol and not RPC calls is what counts.
Lastly, it'll benefit you to recall that Dan has proposed a hybrid DHT-mesh.


Oh my bad, this was the part I think you think you thought it wasn't, I think?


Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.

I think the benefit here, for you, is that what you're doing is done so you can do what you do best which is twisty fluff like the best of them.

Thats not the intent at all, we are working at getting some stable p2p code available for testing, the exact FINAL spec's are not decided yet.
legendary
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ohhh???

Kademlia

You may have failed to notice that the post that you quoted does not assert that DHT isn't true P2P; it asserts that Kademlia - and whatever else Bittorrent uses - isn't.
If I happened not to add, for completeness of expression, that some DHT is serverless, that doesn't mean we're now using a method that isn't true P2P.

With respect to DHT, being serverless is what counts as far as I'm aware.
With respect to inter-node communication, using a P2P protocol and not RPC calls is what counts.
Lastly, it'll benefit you to recall that Dan has proposed a hybrid DHT-mesh.


Oh my bad, this was the part I think you think you thought it wasn't, I think?


Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.

I think the benefit here, for you, is that what you're doing is done so you can do what you do best which is twisty fluff like the best of them.
legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
ohhh???

Kademlia

You may have failed to notice that the post that you quoted does not assert that DHT isn't true P2P; it asserts that Kademlia - and whatever else Bittorrent uses - isn't.
If I happened not to add, for completeness of expression, that some DHT is serverless, that doesn't mean we're now using a method that isn't true P2P.

With respect to DHT, being serverless is what counts as far as I'm aware.
With respect to inter-node communication, using a P2P protocol and not RPC calls is what counts.
Lastly, it'll benefit you to recall that Dan has proposed a hybrid DHT-mesh.
legendary
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Quote
DHT
- Distributed Hash Tables: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

So you're not going to use true P2P anymore?
Huh? We never claimed that DHT isn't true P2P.

What we did claim, however, is that RPC calls aren't a true P2P protocol. I think you got confused there.

(Also, we will use serverless DHT.)



ohhh???



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2. I'm also curious about the p2p claims that are written. Maybe I'm missing something here and if you could enlighten me I would appreciate it. But SuperNET is using an implementation of Kademlia for p2p nodes, which is the same technology that Bittorrent is built on and as far as I know using such a protocol would quality as 'true p2p'.

Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Quote
DHT
- Distributed Hash Tables: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

So you're not going to use true P2P anymore?
Huh? We never claimed that DHT isn't true P2P.

What we did claim, however, is that RPC calls aren't a true P2P protocol. I think you got confused there.

(Also, we will use serverless DHT.)

hero member
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We have our blocks and not looking to profit any time soon.


"not looking to profit any time soon"...or ever for that matter...

See what happens when you involve Bobsurplus in your plans, Dan?

More lies from a troll shillaccount!!! Bobsurplus isn't involved any of my plans or any plans related to any project I'm involved with..

The truth of the matter is that I protected Blocknet from Bobsurplus and his pump scheme that he was attempting.  ** Numerous people came out of the wood work when I launched Blocknet, trying to get involved either for greed or to scam or to FUD **
legendary
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legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
hero member
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We have our blocks and not looking to profit any time soon.


"not looking to profit any time soon"...or ever for that matter...

See what happens when you involve Bobsurplus in your plans, Dan?

More lies from a troll shillaccount!!! Bobsurplus isn't involved any of my plans or any plans related to any project I'm involved with..
full member
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Fibre Knight
Hello all,

just wanted to provide an update, due to the amount of noise from the trolls creating FUD to lower the market price, its hard to communicate directly with real blocknet enthusiasts.

As I stated, we will have a test/prototype p2p daemon by the end of the month, if not sooner and with that a clear roadmap and other details regarding this project.

While things may seem to be in a lull currently, it is just part of the process of putting everything in order

I'm available via PM for any questions as its hard to keep up w/ all the noise from trolls.


Dan


Thank you. The are allowing us to pass time, so it's really no big issue. We have our blocks and not looking to profit any time soon.

Thanks for the updates, they are the most valuable at this point.

wnw
legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Thanks for your answer so far.
You have used a lot of terms that are unknown to me:
Xnode protocol

- The protocol that XCurrency nodes use to communicate. It's end-to-end encrypted and completely serverless.

2) A presentation of the whole team where all relevant team members are publically known.

Dan Metcalf's identity is public, and so is mine: http://xc-official.com/the-xc-team/
When the foundation and team is formalised, you can expect more people's identities to be made public (though not necessarily everyone's).

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Do you have such documents yet? Have the marketing material / and marketing terms been prepared before the technology / concept has been prepared?

Yes, the marketing has been prepared before the technology. The terms of the ITO entail funding first, code later. Presumably anyone not happy with this proposal didn't buy Blocknet tokens.

hero member
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Is the dev team behind this project publically known (with their real world ids)?

Is there a whitepaper or some other more specific documentation about the technology that is part of this?


Dan Metcalf and I have made our identities public.

There's no whitepaper, but there is Dan's (and XC's) reputation of delivering the goods, on schedule, since its inception.

How is the XC project related to this one?

And what base technology / code you want to use? Do you fork some other project or will it be entirely new code? If it is new code what security algo do you use (pow, pos) how does it differ from others?

The Blocknet will be largely new code, since it's for a rather different purpose to what XC is for.

However at present the plan is to adapt XC's Xnode protocol (end-to-end encrypted P2P protocol) for the XBridge. It'll be used in conjunction with Telehash in a hybrid DHT-mesh architecture - and it will be completely serverless.

The interim wallet is PoS. I'm currently unaware of how often the final tech will actually need its own blockchain, since the idea is to network nodes of different blockchains together. These chains are a resource and it makes no sense to either duplicate them in the Blocknet's own chain, or to use a new chain when the old ones may suffice. However if it needs its own chain for anything, it'll almost certainly be a PoS chain.

Thanks for your answer so far.
You have used a lot of terms that are unknown to me: Xnode protocol, XBridge, Telehash, hybrid DHT-mesh architecture,  interim wallet.
If I would want to invest I would need two things:
1) A document that explains
a) what specific / consumer oriented end-product you want to achieve  -
b) how you want to achieve it technically: Explained as detailed but at the same time as easily as possible (NO hiding behind fancy words)
2) A presentation of the whole team where all relevant team members are publically known.

Do you have such documents yet? Have the marketing material / and marketing terms been prepared before the technology / concept has been prepared?


Do we have a specific document answer those questions at this time? NO, we do not, however blocknet's team is formed and being finalized now, and the market we are going after is monetized nodes via a decentralized application platform, using a P2P network based off of DHT

All of this is being finalized now and the information you requested will be released once it is 100% finalized

Dan
hero member
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Hello all,

just wanted to provide an update, due to the amount of noise from the trolls creating FUD to lower the market price, its hard to communicate directly with real blocknet enthusiasts.

As I stated, we will have a test/prototype p2p daemon by the end of the month, if not sooner and with that a clear roadmap and other details regarding this project.

While things may seem to be in a lull currently, it is just part of the process of putting everything in order

I'm available via PM for any questions as its hard to keep up w/ all the noise from trolls.


Dan
sr. member
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I told you weeks ago how this is going to sub ICO almost right after launch and all I heard was "stop fudding, go away"  Smiley

stop fudding, go away

haha....exactly how I thought about responding to this Smiley
hero member
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wrong picture ,
this is the good one

hero member
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I told you weeks ago how this is going to sub ICO almost right after launch and all I heard was "stop fudding, go away"  Smiley

stop fudding, go away
sr. member
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Is the dev team behind this project publically known (with their real world ids)?

Is there a whitepaper or some other more specific documentation about the technology that is part of this?


Dan Metcalf and I have made our identities public.

There's no whitepaper, but there is Dan's (and XC's) reputation of delivering the goods, on schedule, since its inception.

How is the XC project related to this one?

And what base technology / code you want to use? Do you fork some other project or will it be entirely new code? If it is new code what security algo do you use (pow, pos) how does it differ from others?

The Blocknet will be largely new code, since it's for a rather different purpose to what XC is for.

However at present the plan is to adapt XC's Xnode protocol (end-to-end encrypted P2P protocol) for the XBridge. It'll be used in conjunction with Telehash in a hybrid DHT-mesh architecture - and it will be completely serverless.

The interim wallet is PoS. I'm currently unaware of how often the final tech will actually need its own blockchain, since the idea is to network nodes of different blockchains together. These chains are a resource and it makes no sense to either duplicate them in the Blocknet's own chain, or to use a new chain when the old ones may suffice. However if it needs its own chain for anything, it'll almost certainly be a PoS chain.

Thanks for your answer so far.
You have used a lot of terms that are unknown to me: Xnode protocol, XBridge, Telehash, hybrid DHT-mesh architecture,  interim wallet.
If I would want to invest I would need two things:
1) A document that explains
a) what specific / consumer oriented end-product you want to achieve
b) how you want to achieve it technically: Explained as detailed but at the same time as easily as possible (NO hiding behind fancy words)
2) A presentation of the whole team where all relevant team members are publically known.

Do you have such documents yet? Have the marketing material / and marketing terms been prepared before the technology / concept has been prepared?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Certainly most of the hate posters on this thread don't own any block, and probably they are struggling to make their first BTC with the wankcoin or something similar. What's the purpose to hang on a thread that has noting to do with your investments(if any) ?
Most of the tricky questions are coming from guys trying to make a buck from buying and selling block.
Actually block had been sold out. There is no need for new investors...really.
For each sold block there is a buyer. I'll be worried if within months from now, there will not be any improvement regarding the evolution of the Blocknet. Until then buy, sale, do what you wish, but stop whining like little babies.
Really, I don't see why you guys are answering any questions at all to these jokers, unless they are technical or managerial problems.
Block is a ongoing project. Just give some space to these guys do their job!
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