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legendary
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You didn't even mention emiliomann or longandshort or pookie or Omaha? You didn't mention the blockchain fud. You didn't mention the source citations. Did you post-mortem any of this or just jump in at the part where bitcoin devs commented on it?

I'm only going to say this once, this is nothing against you personally though.

If you want an article talking about FUD, there are multiple of them out there already.

We report the issue itself, not who called whose momma fat or said something about his/her sister.

The facts are : Chandran signatures in their original form won't work, this was verified by BTC devs, Hondo admitted he was a bit misinformed, we quoted parts of his statement.


That's all there is to this story, the rest is just useless noise.
full member
Activity: 213
Merit: 100
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.

THIS ^

Has everything already been tested? Do they all work flawlessy?
Why don't you pm the dev...I'm pretty sure he can answer you all the tech details.

You could also download them and test for yourself. I have had no issues.
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1028
#mitandopelomundo
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.

THIS ^

Has everything already been tested? Do they all work flawlessy?

yep, they do
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.

THIS ^

Has everything already been tested? Do they all work flawlessy?
Why don't you pm the dev...I'm pretty sure he can answer you all the tech details.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.

THIS ^

Has everything already been tested? Do they all work flawlessy?
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1028
#mitandopelomundo

We are in slack group now

We have created a chat channel on Slack.com.  If you're not aware of Slack, it's a pretty awesome communication platform that the team is adopting for our internal communication as well.

If you'd like to be invited to the channel, please send me a PM with your email address where your invite can be sent.  This doesn't have to be your real email address, but you do have to be able to access it so you can register.



Just a reminder!  We've got a nice group coming together.
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1028
#mitandopelomundo
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.

THIS ^
newbie
Activity: 59
Merit: 0
Sounds like XST really needs an honest-to-goodness cryptographer on staff.
full member
Activity: 213
Merit: 100
Let's not forget what the Devs have already accomplished:

Integrated TOR, Anonymous SMS transactions, Stealth Addresses. This is a serious POS anon solution already.

Proof-of-Developer verified by trusted third-parties including CryptoAsian, CryptoCertify.

Code verified as "the real deal" by Dan Metcalf.

Best network performance on Bitterex (https://bittrex.com/Status).

This is a great basis to work from. I am looking forward to updates from the Dev team as to how they take the project forward.
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
Avatars are overrated.
After reading two horrible articles about the situation, I decided to write a proper verison (sticking to facts for a change) :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/stealthcoin-shadowcash-chandran-signatures-bitcoin-wizards-what-really-happened-and-why-there-is-a-reason-for-concern

Let me know if anything needs correcting Hondo Smiley
You didn't even mention emiliomann or longandshort or pookie or Omaha? You didn't mention the blockchain fud. You didn't mention the source citations. Did you post-mortem any of this or just jump in at the part where bitcoin devs commented on it?
MR1
legendary
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pm1978, as far as I know you are the designer of the XST website. Why don`t you set up an XST page on facebook? I`m sure it will have thousands of likes.

Thank you MR1 for your input and suggestion. Setting up a Facebook page sounds reasonable but is not a top priority right know.
We will take it into consideration and it's on our To-DO list  Wink
thank you.

Very good !
full member
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stealthcoin.com

pm1978, as far as I know you are the designer of the XST website. Why don`t you set up an XST page on facebook? I`m sure it will have thousands of likes.

Thank you MR1 for your input and suggestion. Setting up a Facebook page sounds reasonable but is not a top priority right know.
We will take it into consideration and it's on our To-DO list  Wink
thank you.
legendary
Activity: 1008
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After reading two horrible articles about the situation, I decided to write a proper verison (sticking to facts for a change) :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/stealthcoin-shadowcash-chandran-signatures-bitcoin-wizards-what-really-happened-and-why-there-is-a-reason-for-concern

Let me know if anything needs correcting Hondo Smiley

+1
hero member
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https://twitter.com/sadochismo/status/521416032624599040

STEALTHCOIN - ONE OF A KIND. Simply superior.



pm1978, as far as I know you are the designer of the XST website. Why don`t you set up an XST page on facebook? I`m sure it will have thousands of likes.

+1 Good suggestion
legendary
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Again I would like to thank those who have pointed out publicly a critical deficiency in Chandran signatures as they apply to crypto-currencies [1]. Namely, the deficiency is that Chandran signatures are untraceable. I would especially like to mention that LongAndShort's relentless research into the matter was impressive and genuinely helpful.

Most wonder exactly how the deficiency in traceability may be addressed for sub-linear ring signatures. Fortunately, work by Eiichrio Fujisaki shows that sub-linear ring signatures may be constructed such that they are traceable [2]. Thus, despite references to Chandran signatures in the the whitepaper brief, Chandran signatures will not be used in their original form. Recognize that Fujisaki's work builds on Chandran signatures, so it is a matter of semantics whether one uses the term "Chandran signatures" to refer to the proposed signature system for StealthSend.

Some may wonder if I was aware of the lack of untraceability in Chandran signatures when I wrote the whitepaper brief. I was aware of this deficiency. However, I was not aware at that time that traceability must be an integral part of the signature scheme. I believed that I could add this property ad hoc. This misconception was a result of my own lack of knowledge about cryptography. In retrospect, I would not have proposed Chandran signatures, per se, had I known then what I know now. Instead, I would have proposed the system by Fujisaki.

A misconception about the whitepaper brief is that it was somehow a perfect blueprint for StealthSend. It was not. At the time, it was suggested to me to make a technical proposal for StealthSend, so I wrote down my thoughts--unfinished and infused with my own imperfect knowledge of cryptography. At this moment I feel compelled to advise anyone that unless a product has been implemented, a whitepaper describing the product is simply a proposal and subject to revision. This advice pertains to any product of any crypto-currency.

One question that has seemed to arise in this thread is whether or not I know what I am doing when it comes to implementing the cryptography I propose. I believe that remains to be seen. I am not a cryptographer by training. It is still difficult for me to work my way through cryptography literature although I am getting better. However, keep in mind that I am a scientist by training. I am extremely comfortable at the edge not only of my own knowledge, but also that of humanity. I have always found a way to learn what I need to know in order to achieve the objectives I set out for myself. I have no reason to believe that my plans for StealthSend will be any different.

Finally, I should address the timeline. At this moment, I am behind on the roadmap. We have not been able to procure the help that we need for the wallet upgrades, despite advertising and active recruitment of developers. This could be a reflection of low bitcoin prices right now.

StealthSend is behind as well. I have tried to make frequent updates with the wallet, but these updates have come at the expense of working on StealthSend. At this moment, I can't make a projection for how long it will require. Additionally, I am hesitant to make a projection because I have come to realize that any delay may be interpreted later with suspicion. So at this point, I'll say only that it may take months to produce StealthSend.

-- Hondo

[1] http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-73420-8_38
[2] http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-19074-2_25

Hats off for the statement, however you did propose something wildly difficult and clearly un researched to a trained eye and put it up as speculative value. You put a brief up that you hadn't properly understood or researched and said it would be done by November.

This was irresponsible without educating the people around you properly or keeping them in line with more realistic expectations of you and the project (this will be far more important with the soon to come anon mainstream adoption). Which i can see you are trying to now (needs to be dumbed down more and further explained with pictures and stuff no joke).
It is not all your fault and to be honest someone should have debunked this much sooner. So i guess it basically looks like you're learning about the community side or knew already i'm still not sure with you yet.

You recent statement is a little more educational but i think you really need to dumb it down for these people (yes that is offensive but i'm a bit bruised after all this)..And if that is not clear by now then i've completely wasted my time here!

Because Hondo as i stated but it was lost in all the noise of others bashing me/covering up and i refute the claims i was noise by the way! I was battling at least 20 people in this thread day and night just to make the point that these toxic communities need better educate themselves and people need to step up as community managers to educate and shape appropriate cultures within them. Lesson learn't here thats for sure because i cringe every time a project fails and hurts uneducated investors because of cool graphics and general mislead groupies. Because you cant deny how it effects the whole tech space we have here.

I'll state again now while you now all should believe me more because my claims are all true that this is an industry wide issue and does not just reside here in xst camp.
We are drenched daily in misleading marketing, false hype and many other variables pertaining to people wishing to sacrifice integrity and losing sight of what this tech stands to help us achieve for our children and their childrens' children ect ect. Its one of our only hopes left to hold onto at least some of our liberties and to regain most back we have lost since most central and reserve banks along with governments decided to monopolise the world, removing our ability to save but force us to spend all the time!

Every time a questionable project and its uneducated community lets stuff like this drag on until multiple hard dates are missed and or false claims ect. It effects the entire industry heavily. It smashes not only investor trust but the industries relevance altogether because we are "insane" we just move onto the next new project and then do all of the same things expecting it to be different "insanity defined" Professionals are highly reluctant to engage because of the utter filth that transpires on daily basis you may not like me or how i handled this that is no reason to threaten my life, my mental health laugh joke and be all around evasive of someone who has presented facts in a mature way! It is certainly not even close to being acceptable to then go to another project and bash, terrorise and abuse them for having a self moderated thread. Solely because the person who presented you with a claim you didn't like had signs of favoring that project over the rest of the 100's and i mean 100s' of projects they love and support.

So clearly you can see i'm not just talking to you in this post Hondo because i wish to put it all in one post and not really come back here to be honest. I've been polite and mature the majority of my time here i must admit my patience faltered a few times. Im sure you can understand why. My point is made now i request of you a few things please on behalf of your community and on behalf of all devs mostly. Like it or not they are your responsibility too..unfortunately i know but its money they are backing you with so its another one of those grey areas we are all pioneering ourselves though yeah? getting it now?
Ok great..

I ask that you please make more public statement (media interview) regarding these events how they were handled by your community, chastising them and others who wish to do it in the future from other projects and generally setting a new, better standard.


If we don't use this as an example it will continue and all our efforts and lessons here will be in vain thank you Hondo. I know you will respond in kind as i know i have helped to give your community a more realistic expectation of you based on your skillet ect, I can only base my opinion off your comments and commits and your comments sway me to believe you have the best interest of your investors primarily and the altcoin space in mind.

To your community i encourage you to not condone trolling fuddling and all around Internet thuggery on any individual or project no matter how hard you justify it its just not acceptable and does not belong here. Especially not with what we are trying to do in this space please stop fighting and lashing out and  in general pelase take it more seriously. However nice an apology would be i doubt many of you are capable of one (yes offensive but i'm still bruised by all of this)

I will accept change and a much friendlier environment and i encourage you to chastise your peers in a positive way by maturely coaxing them to not indulge themselves in thuggery and general trolling. Its not what this place is for I also would like to see you guys/gals apologise properly to the entire shadow community and crypto community for trashing not only the devs names/reputations but the projects integrity completely unjustly because of a few people you believe like that coin too!..Your troll thread basically lying about shadow and attacking it and its devs/supporters/volenteers. It has pushed its way right up the seo because of all the keyword spam it contained! It is awful and you need to do something about that as a community that shows integrity.

I will be eagerly awaiting your replay Hondo. Good Luck and remember xst supporters. If you don't like what i've said then feel free not to reply.
MR1
legendary
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https://twitter.com/sadochismo/status/521416032624599040

STEALTHCOIN - ONE OF A KIND. Simply superior.



pm1978, as far as I know you are the designer of the XST website. Why don`t you set up an XST page on facebook? I`m sure it will have thousands of likes.
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
After reading two horrible articles about the situation, I decided to write a proper verison (sticking to facts for a change) :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/stealthcoin-shadowcash-chandran-signatures-bitcoin-wizards-what-really-happened-and-why-there-is-a-reason-for-concern

Let me know if anything needs correcting Hondo Smiley
Pretty cool article.
legendary
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After reading two horrible articles about the situation, I decided to write a proper verison (sticking to facts for a change) :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/stealthcoin-shadowcash-chandran-signatures-bitcoin-wizards-what-really-happened-and-why-there-is-a-reason-for-concern

Let me know if anything needs correcting Hondo Smiley
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Having a honest Dev is rare. I am in this for the long haul.
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