[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development - page 129.

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

I think 0.8.3 got lower hard-coded fee so it could be that is the reason additional fee value was reseted. Anyway, switch to Bitcoin CC and
you will always know what is transaction fee before actualy sending coins.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yet-another-coin-control-release-closed-144331

Hehe, I'm wondering if it will actually be merged into 0.9 as they say. Cheesy

EDIT: nice 8 BTC buy wall on cryptsy @0.00004002

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Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 04:23:24 PM

Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 04:20:46 PM

Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

No Problem as long as I recive it. I hate that bitcoin-qt doesn't warn you on such important things. Not to give you any wrong ideas, but this could be a good spot to scam someone. You could easily doublespend on me and I could probably convince you to resent the transaction since it got "rejected".

I hope we won't have such loopholes when YAC has that age.

Well, it states everywhere in big red letters that you should not trust transactions without confirmations. So it's not a loophole. Wink

EDIT: LOL, they both got confirmed in the same block. Cheesy

The loophole is if transactionFee =0 then more red letters Wink

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 04:20:46 PM

Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

No Problem as long as I recive it. I hate that bitcoin-qt doesn't warn you on such important things. Not to give you any wrong ideas, but this could be a good spot to scam someone. You could easily doublespend on me and I could probably convince you to resent the transaction since it got "rejected".

I hope we won't have such loopholes when YAC has that age.

Well, it states everywhere in big red letters that you should not trust transactions without confirmations. So it's not a loophole. Wink

EDIT: LOL, they both got confirmed in the same block. Cheesy

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

I was trying to buy YAC earlier and sent BTC to my exchange account, and wasn't prompted about transaction fee either, only to find no fee had been attached... Been 4 hours, and blockchain.info estimates another 11. Tried sending another 1 with a fee, and it hasn't even shown on the blockchain yet. I never understood how to know if a "miner" will accept a transaction that doesn't have a fee - I presume that's usually on the pool configuration?

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

No Problem as long as I recive it. I hate that bitcoin-qt doesn't warn you on such important things. Not to give you any wrong ideas, but this could be a good spot to scam someone. You could easily doublespend on me ~~and I could probably convince a novice to resent the transaction since it got "rejected" and hope it gets thru.~~

I hope we won't have such loopholes when YAC has that age.

EDIT: That wasn't the version I want to post.

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 04:10:09 PM

Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

Actually you can send a tx without fees if it has high enough priority. Dunno why yours is still pushed to the back of the queue, though.
There was a BIP (Bitcoin Implemetation Proposal) with the ability to add fees to existing transaction, but I can't seem to find it ATM. :-/ Something like this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/grease-payments-to-miners-280766

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Quote from: reb0rn21 on August 27, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

There are still a few out there, but it will take more than the 5 minutes that it took for the YAC to be confirmed. This is the first time that I've used the new 0.8.3 Bitcoin client and somehow my fee setting didn't transfer from the older client. Ultimately, there should be a warning when trying to send with no fees. Actually I thought there was which is why I payed it no mind.

Sorry St.Bit for the delay.

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BTC with no fee might just baunce back to sander!

More and more miners are not accepting no fee transfer!

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Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 4 nodes
Date: 8/27/13 **:58
To: 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe
Debit: -1.10 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.001 BTC
Net amount: -1.101 BTC
Transaction ID: 447a9272f3d96f88d376d4ad56076b79fc4d242200c37471e1054b884bf08868

I sent a little extra due to the f*up Wink

Send the rest of the YAC's once everything is confirmed and post here.

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 03:45:44 PM

Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 03:37:28 PM

Awesome thanks! Just sent 1 BTC

Status: 0/unconfirmed, has not been successfully broadcast yet
Date: 8/27/13 **:33
To: 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: 5fd69325ea51abcddc76ea9022cab8a5326574c9e8102777e9346a1911e04a1a

lol without a fee Grin

good luck waiting those 3 hours

Whatever ...
I sent the rest and hope I'll get my BTC till xmas.

Crap - I didn't see that... Undecided

Not sure why my fee got reset in my bitcoin client. I'll fix it and send you the rest asap...

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Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 03:45:44 PM

Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 03:37:28 PM

Awesome thanks! Just sent 1 BTC

Status: 0/unconfirmed, has not been successfully broadcast yet
Date: 8/27/13 **:33
To: 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: 5fd69325ea51abcddc76ea9022cab8a5326574c9e8102777e9346a1911e04a1a

lol without a fee Grin

good luck waiting those 3 hours

Whatever ...
I sent the rest and hope I'll get my BTC till xmas.

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Quote from: Joe_Bauers on August 27, 2013, 03:37:28 PM

Awesome thanks! Just sent 1 BTC

Status: 0/unconfirmed, has not been successfully broadcast yet
Date: 8/27/13 **:33
To: 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: 5fd69325ea51abcddc76ea9022cab8a5326574c9e8102777e9346a1911e04a1a

lol without a fee Grin

good luck waiting those 3 hours

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Status: 6 confirmations
Date: 8/27/13 **:28
From: unknown
To: YLoyZvVK1ckViN91wfU3xpFADjBAb7rHyZ (own address, label: ***)
Credit: 19998.90 YAC
Net amount: +19998.90 YAC
Transaction ID: 723087917bf7e0b92b769d1b3d1bed4f3061ea4730a8fc292a914b219203e4af

Awesome thanks! Just sent 1 BTC

Status: 0/unconfirmed, has not been successfully broadcast yet
Date: 8/27/13 **:33
To: 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: 5fd69325ea51abcddc76ea9022cab8a5326574c9e8102777e9346a1911e04a1a

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 08:13:22 PM

Ok. How do you want to proceed?

My adress is 1AM4UYBjY6VyxD9oTgi8xCGB6VfQN3dcEe. I'd say you post this on the dev thread and I'll send you 20kYAC. You send the btc and I'll wire the rest.

St.Bit has been gracious enough to sell 40,000 YAC's to me for 2BTC's Like every YAC I've mined and purchased, I will be holding them for the long term.

To promote trust, we're doing a public transaction.

Please send first 20,000 YAC's to: YLoyZvVK1ckViN91wfU3xpFADjBAb7rHyZ

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Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 11:42:20 AM

EDIT: WTF, someone just crashed the market by dumping over 60k YACs... Huh

now we're at 0.00005 -.-"

Ugh! I don't currently have access to my wallet, but if anyone wants to sell 2BTC's of YAC to me at or around 0.00005 let know ASAP!!!

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 12:55:19 PM

No. You would have to wait for the blockchain to update bevor funds are sent.

But it should be possible from the protocol's perspective. Dunno why the client refuses to do so.

Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 12:55:19 PM

It also sucks if you don't have those funds already and want to check total balance.

Yeah, I use my block explorer for that, too. Cheesy

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Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 11:42:20 AM

Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 11:31:02 AM

Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 11:19:57 AM

Quote from: St.Bit on August 26, 2013, 06:51:08 PM

YAC could be made ultrafast if we go even further and include electrum into yacoin-qt. As long as the bockchain is updated it will be used to send funds and check balances. Without having to wait for the blockchain there is no reason to use something else on computers.

w8, wat? electrum has to use some electrum server which has a full yacoind node with an up-to-date blockchain up and running. only electrum client is fast, the server counterpart needs yacoind AND it has to do some more processing (keeping balance of every yacoin address ever used in a separate database, keeping you recent transaction history, etc...)

Faster means you don't have to wait for blockchain to update when sending funds. This isn't about transaction speed it's about the time it takes you to actually send funds. 1min to get the txt into the chain plus a day to load the blockchain is damm slow. It's just in addition to the current mechanism when that doesn't work yet due to updating.

If I understand you correctly, then this is already possible. You don't have to wait for the client to sync as long as you're spending inputs from the blocks you have in your local blockchain (there's one obvious exception - blockchain forks, but they don't happen that often these days).

EDIT: WTF, someone just crashed the market by dumping over 60k YACs... Huh

now we're at 0.00005 -.-"

No. You would have to wait for the blockchain to update bevor funds are sent. It also sucks if you don't have those funds already and want to check total balance. It also gives a bad impression for first time users of after a long time away. Maybe some one was so pissed about this so he dumpt them all on an exchange ... xD.

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 27, 2013, 11:31:02 AM

Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 11:19:57 AM

Quote from: St.Bit on August 26, 2013, 06:51:08 PM

YAC could be made ultrafast if we go even further and include electrum into yacoin-qt. As long as the bockchain is updated it will be used to send funds and check balances. Without having to wait for the blockchain there is no reason to use something else on computers.

w8, wat? electrum has to use some electrum server which has a full yacoind node with an up-to-date blockchain up and running. only electrum client is fast, the server counterpart needs yacoind AND it has to do some more processing (keeping balance of every yacoin address ever used in a separate database, keeping you recent transaction history, etc...)

Faster means you don't have to wait for blockchain to update when sending funds. This isn't about transaction speed it's about the time it takes you to actually send funds. 1min to get the txt into the chain plus a day to load the blockchain is damm slow. It's just in addition to the current mechanism when that doesn't work yet due to updating.

If I understand you correctly, then this is already possible. You don't have to wait for the client to sync as long as you're spending inputs from the blocks you have in your local blockchain (there's one obvious exception - blockchain forks, but they don't happen that often these days).

EDIT: WTF, someone just crashed the market by dumping over 60k YACs... Huh

now we're at 0.00005 -.-"

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Quote from: sairon on August 27, 2013, 11:19:57 AM

Quote from: St.Bit on August 26, 2013, 06:51:08 PM

YAC could be made ultrafast if we go even further and include electrum into yacoin-qt. As long as the bockchain is updated it will be used to send funds and check balances. Without having to wait for the blockchain there is no reason to use something else on computers.

w8, wat? electrum has to use some electrum server which has a full yacoind node with an up-to-date blockchain up and running. only electrum client is fast, the server counterpart needs yacoind AND it has to do some more processing (keeping balance of every yacoin address ever used in a separate database, keeping you recent transaction history, etc...)

Faster means you don't have to wait for blockchain to update when sending funds. This isn't about transaction speed it's about the time it takes you to actually send funds. 1min to get the txt into the chain plus a day to load the blockchain is damm slow. It's just in addition to the current mechanism when that doesn't work yet due to updating.

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Quote from: St.Bit on August 26, 2013, 06:51:08 PM

YAC could be made ultrafast if we go even further and include electrum into yacoin-qt. As long as the bockchain is updated it will be used to send funds and check balances. Without having to wait for the blockchain there is no reason to use something else on computers.

w8, wat? electrum has to use some electrum server which has a full yacoind node with an up-to-date blockchain up and running. only electrum client is fast, the server counterpart needs yacoind AND it has to do some more processing (keeping balance of every yacoin address ever used in a separate database, keeping you recent transaction history, etc...)

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