[Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 34.

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Quote from: makomk on January 14, 2013, 07:02:25 AM

Quote from: Monster Tent on January 14, 2013, 06:48:42 AM

Pay $13 000 to have a booth at CES and bring empty boxes. The only product BFL produces is trolling, they even hired a troll as PR.

I think empty boxes and faked demos are practically traditional at tradeshows like CES by now.

...but serial production without a prototype is not practiced anywhere in the electronics industry. Empty box only confirms they don't have chips in production.

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 07:16:09 AM

I do not care what BFL will do with the BTC after I've sent them. I've no control on that and certainly this is BFL's choice what % of the BTC they want converted in USD and what % of currency exchange risk they want to bear?

Is that a question?

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 07:04:26 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar

Sorry, they actually did. Their website shows US dollars on the home page. The order page doesn't even show a BTC amount immediately when you click BTC...there is no BTC sales price. The conversion is automatic and after you've picked what you want to order and agreed to the USD price.

Sorry, they don't. You wanted a screenshot that there is a BTC price on the ivoice I was presented during check out. I gave it to you. You wanted an explanation how paying in BTC is different to paying for instance with GBP. I have explained it to you. I don't see what else can I do for you? BFL cheerleaders have their own agenda and no arguments matter!

I do not care what BFL will do with the BTC after I've sent them. I've no control on that and certainly this is BFL's choice what % of the BTC they want converted in USD and what % of currency exchange risk they want to bear?

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM

At first the majority of the posts made with this account are concerned with ASICs

Bored engineering student, considering branching out into ASICs. Eventually.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM

in particular BFL

BFL has the most amusing trolls. bASIC is a mess right now, and there isn't much to post about with Avalon...although I'm annoyed that they abandoned their video demo promise, but they can still probably ship.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM

your being online to post ratio is incredible.

Thank you.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM

with an asic preorder

I haven't actually ordered yet. Will be doing so when I hear that the chips actually work, since there's an undeniable possibility that they might not.

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:55:59 AM

higher than usual emotional attachment.

I mostly just post a lot when I think people are wrong.

BR0KK

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And you used a service to transfer BTC to $..... they received USD....

BTW: Demanding more that what you payed is called SAMMMING

becoin

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Quote from: tbcoin on January 14, 2013, 07:02:59 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

Quote from: tbcoin on January 14, 2013, 06:50:49 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler.

No, I do not intend. I WANT! Because I've the right to receive the refund in the currency and amount I had originally paid!!!

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar, they asked me to pay BTC. I did what they ask me to do. I've send the EXACT amount BTC to the EXACT BTC address they specified.

SCAMER

Who says that? A thief shouting "stop the thief"?

nathanrees19

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar

Sorry, they actually did. Their website shows US dollars on the home page. The order page doesn't even show a BTC amount immediately when you click BTC...there is no BTC sales price. The conversion is automatic and after you've picked what you want to order and agreed to the USD price.

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

Quote from: tbcoin on January 14, 2013, 06:50:49 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler.

No, I do not intend. I WANT! Because I've the right to receive the refund in the currency and amount I had originally paid!!!

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar, they asked me to pay BTC. I did what they ask me to do. I've send the EXACT amount BTC to the EXACT BTC address they specified.

SCAMMER

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Are you the Micon friend?

Quote from: lucif on January 14, 2013, 05:46:16 AM

For info. I submitted request to US Securities and Exchanges Comission to verify are the BF Labs Inc actions are legit

My request ID is: TCR1357902718572

Another user PM'ed me he submitted another request, as Josh refused full BTC refund. His request id is TCR1358148611768.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA7iAMTAWHM

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Quote from: Monster Tent on January 14, 2013, 06:48:42 AM

Pay $13 000 to have a booth at CES and bring empty boxes. The only product BFL produces is trolling, they even hired a troll as PR.

I think empty boxes and faked demos are practically traditional at tradeshows like CES by now.

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 14, 2013, 06:53:45 AM

Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 06:47:21 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:40:32 AM

Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 06:33:57 AM

... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink

Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Most of the stuff at least works in some ways... Many company are proud to show even a not perfectly working prototype! How else do you attract new investors?

That's what I don't get. Why the hell not just stick some FPGAs in there, hook them up to the Nexus and go "It's an FPGA rig now, but we'll have ASICs soon." Much better than a box of fans and space(rs).

Or, heck, just take some PCBs, mount them (aside from the ASIC of course), glue some heatsinks on them and stick that in there. "It's not running yet, but boy will it be good when it's done". Nope, better show of a box of fans.

I know, even APPLE does the occasional "lost a prototype in a german beer house" or "a foreign hardware site shows photos of our not yet released product while its protected under NDA" PR-Stunts.....?

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Quote from: tbcoin on January 14, 2013, 06:50:49 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler.

No, I do not intend. I WANT! Because I've the right to receive the refund in the currency and amount I had originally paid!!!

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar, they asked me to pay BTC. I did what they ask me to do. I've send the EXACT amount BTC to the EXACT BTC address they specified.

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Marketing manager - GO MP

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:46:05 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:38:25 AM

I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago

Uh, my account is older than yours... I "popped up" when I heard about ASICs shipping "soon".
Suspicious how? For not attacking them at every possible opportunity? For accepting the reality that startups usually deliver late (especially on ASIC products)?

At first the majority of the posts made with this account are concerned with ASICs, in particular BFL, your being online to post ratio is incredible.
That the account is old doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility, it would just mean that extra steps were taken to make it appear legitimate.

Transferred account ownership, with or without consent is one possibility, another is direct involvement with BFL or maybe you are just doing them a service payed on a per post basis. I cannot possible enumerate all the ways this could happen, and you could just be a genuine fanboy with an asic preorder and higher than usual emotional attachment.
Still you are suspicions.

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Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 06:54:04 AM

They always will be refunding until the amount of new pre-orders sales is greater than amount of refund. Different strategy is not worth the reputational risk.

How certain are you that it's a scam?

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Hm thats sad and i just can't believe that....

bitmar

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:42:28 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:41:24 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:39:25 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:34:20 AM

BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice. Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...

They always will be refunding until the amount of new pre-orders sales is greater than amount of refund. Different strategy is not worth the reputational risk.

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 06:47:21 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:40:32 AM

Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 06:33:57 AM

... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink

Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Most of the stuff at least works in some ways... Many company are proud to show even a not perfectly working prototype! How else do you attract new investors?

That's what I don't get. Why the hell not just stick some FPGAs in there, hook them up to the Nexus and go "It's an FPGA rig now, but we'll have ASICs soon." Much better than a box of fans and space(rs).

Or, heck, just take some PCBs, mount them (aside from the ASIC of course), glue some heatsinks on them and stick that in there. "It's not running yet, but boy will it be good when it's done". Nope, better show of a box of fans.

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Quote from: tbcoin on January 14, 2013, 06:50:49 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler. The price is fixed in dollars and pay their conversion in bitcoin. Today, we do the conversion of dollars to bitcoin and is what you get, if bitcoin is revalued will be less, but the value is the same.

You know, if the value of BTC went down, and they sent refunds in exact BTC values, they'd be raging as well! People always complain when they don't get as much money as they want and come up with a justification after they're already annoyed.

Oops. That poor horse Sad

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 06:47:21 AM

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so?

Yes. CES has decayed into a "plz buy/fund our unfinished 4G toothbrush" convention.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:42:28 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:41:24 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:39:25 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on January 14, 2013, 06:34:20 AM

BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice. Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...

You wont get back the bitcoins you paid only the usd value so thats bullshit too.

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler. The price is fixed in dollars and pay their conversion in bitcoin. Today, we do the conversion of dollars to bitcoin and is what you get, if bitcoin is revalued will be less, but the value is the same.

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