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January 14, 2013, 06:49:17 AM
They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

They do not honor full BTC refunds.

You said they didn't refund them at all! Don't act like refunding the same USD value (and not BTC...I don't feel like beating a dead horse) is equivalent to not refunding at all. That's stupid and stupifying.
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January 14, 2013, 06:48:42 AM
Pay $13 000 to have a booth at CES and bring empty boxes. The only product BFL produces is trolling, they even hired a troll as PR.

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January 14, 2013, 06:47:21 AM
... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Most of the stuff at least works in some ways... Many company are proud to show even a not perfectly working prototype! How else do you attract new investors?

legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:47:15 AM
BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...

Oh I had that wrong. Perhaps because the usual method is the other way around that something is refundable until the period expires.
The silly thing is that, under payment processing there is an expiration time for a refund, so in a way BFL are getting the maximal control over fund with their method, not bad.
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January 14, 2013, 06:46:05 AM
I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago

Uh, my account is older than yours... I "popped up" when I heard about ASICs shipping "soon".

I never believed BFL would pay people to do puppet accounts, but you are a highly suspicious fella.

Suspicious how? For not attacking them at every possible opportunity? For accepting the reality that startups usually deliver late (especially on ASIC products)?
legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:45:30 AM
They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.
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January 14, 2013, 06:44:26 AM
As for prototypes:
I would be showing them to fucking every anti BFL troll to silence them once and for all..... If i had one, even if its not working nor working as good as expected just to prove a point!

But there is nothing (or next to nothing, like some PCB Pics that were in BTC Magazine) about that?
legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:43:08 AM
How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ?
3 Months! There is a reason why it is 3 months. Paying money in advance for pre-orders if extended beyond the 3rd month, you are not a customer anymore. You are an investor or a creditor!
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January 14, 2013, 06:42:28 AM
BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...
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January 14, 2013, 06:41:48 AM
I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

ok, could be but then you have an iteration of the prototyping process with several different prototypes and at the end you will have one prototype without errors and you can use these chips for prototypes of your product and show this to the customers.  Wink

Certainly. In this case it seems that they're under a lot of pressure to ship on time, so they're betting on this revision being the golden one.

I hope for their sake that it is.
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January 14, 2013, 06:41:45 AM
... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:41:24 AM
BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes
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January 14, 2013, 06:40:32 AM
... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.
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January 14, 2013, 06:39:25 AM
BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?
legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:38:38 AM
I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

ok, could be but then you have an iteration of the prototyping process with several different prototypes and at the end you will have one prototype without errors and you can use these chips for prototypes of your product and show this to the customers.  Wink
legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:38:25 AM
How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.

They're refunding anyone who asks...

...inb4 "herp derp they will stop". If they wanted to run with the money, they would have done it months ago. The longer you take pre orders and the more well known your company becomes, the harder it is to pull off a successful scam.

You are very much involved in this, I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago, yet you have created 200posts.
I never believed BFL would pay people to do puppet accounts, but you are a highly suspicious fella.
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January 14, 2013, 06:37:28 AM
I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

No there won't..... Most of them will still stick to BFL cause they believe (like really religious "batshitcrazy" people) that their holy savior ASIC will arrive soon. Even if there is another delay Smiley

Okay, what kind of delay are you expecting? Point to the part of their timeline where the failure will be.

I dont know maybe a "insert various form of transistor here" buffer needs to be tweaked out?

PS: There is as always no HARD DATE! It is another one of their famous "we will deliver in a certain timeframe" update?
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January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM
How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.

They're refunding anyone who asks...

...inb4 "herp derp they will stop". If they wanted to run with the money, they would have done it months ago. The longer you take pre orders and the more well known your company becomes, the harder it is to pull off a successful scam.
legendary
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January 14, 2013, 06:34:20 AM
I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

Why? They now have a published timeline to follow. If they fail to follow it, then the refunds will come in.

If anything, people will be more likely to order now that they have a better idea of what's happening.

BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.
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January 14, 2013, 06:33:57 AM
I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....
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