Topic: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 32. (Read 6614 times)

Yeah, but that scenario doesn't exist.

You can't continually make money betting at a casino, that's the point.

Casinos will want you to stay as long as possible, and to come back as many times as possible.

The longer you bet, the more money you will lose.

I disagree as the results matter, if someone dedicates a great deal of their time to gambling and spend money they do not have while accumulating huge losses then without a doubt we can say a person like that has gambling issues.

However if a gambler is dedicating a great deal of time to their hobby but they are earning money due to a solid strategy they created then we cannot really say they are addicted, in my opinion they are simply enjoying gambling more than everyone else as not only they get fun out of it but money as well.

This is not always the case because after all, someone successful in gambling must have higher abilities than others. The ability here is not only in terms of strategy, analysis, or other things, but they have the self-control needed to restrain or prevent themselves from gambling for too long. And even though successful gamblers will also experience gambling addiction, they can still control themselves enough to stop, especially when they have won enough. They will not continue gambling because they know it will result in defeat for them. So they will continue to gamble as usual but with better self-control than others.

A successful gambler can estimate and calculate the opportunities he has. And if he doesn't see that the opportunity is great, he will not force himself to continue gambling but will choose to stop gambling and continue it another day. They can make the best use of their opportunity to gamble so that they will not experience or have bad experiences and they can even still control themselves well so that they are not tempted by things that can make them forget themselves.

Each person will have their opinion about the difference between successful gamblers vs. gambling addicts.

But we can't still always win at gambling because the casino won't let us always win. We can only rely on luck to win and in many cases, many people continue to gamble and hope that their luck will come. But we may not be able to become successful gamblers because to be successful gamblers, we have to have many things and they have to be trained continuously so that we can have those abilities. We might be able to win small but we will find it difficult to win big so we can only gamble as usual. And if we keep pushing it, we might become gamblers who are addicted to gambling because at that time, we might not have good self-control because we already have the desire to always win.

A successful player is a player who can control himself while playing gambling and will not be tempted by the things offered by the casino and he can also win perhaps more than other gamblers. Apart from that, with good self-control, he can gamble calmly and not try to chase victory because he knows that it is difficult to do. Maybe he will look at the situation first and if the situation doesn't allow it, he will just gamble as usual. However, if he sees an opportunity that he can take advantage of, he will definitely use it so he can win. And by gambling constantly and not having the desire to chase victory is what can make him a successful gambler. But to become a successful gambler takes time and it's not short and he also has to train all his abilities so he can master them because becoming a successful gambler requires many things that we can't imagine.

I know, exactly, we as players have certain strategies, techniques, so that we can play a lot and obviously have some wins, in my case what I do best is that when I play and I get small wins that helps me a lot, because it can be done every day the most, and when one does not take it much into consideration, only looking for small profits, because things are flowing better then you can do things more focused on what you are looking for, because winning in a casino is not that easy, in fact I think that the possibilities are expanded if and only if when there are sports bets, there if it can be made more common due to the simple fact that more knowledge is combined than luck, then on that side one could be more successful.

When we refer to games, machines, roulette, tagmeonadas, dice, among other games, we might think that making profits there is a complicated job, something difficult, because we always want to take care of our money, sometimes for that reason it can take a long time. playing, because you look for a way to be something profitable, if you look for profitability in the game, well yes, you must have concentration, there is almost nothing that can make us get out of that concentration because we can lose., then sometimes one He is in a casino for a long time and that is why, because he takes things more calmly, with more receptivity, and that makes him a successful player, a successful player is not considered one who makes very large profits, but one who little by little. do a lot, and have enough patience to wait for the results, it's something like saving, but playing, of course this is not easy, the system of a casino is designed so that the casino always has the advantage and as a player you fight against That's it, however it is known that in the long term the casino makes us lose, so we have to play very intelligently, to be able to have a balance in our account and that in an incredible way it is always a positive balance, if we are looking for big wins Well, I think the probability will be of losing.

The fact that,  one is successful in gambling doesn't make the person an addicts and also if an addicts could record any result near success that means he is tryely not an addict in the first place may be people have misunderstood the entire thing to mean that he is addicted,  because in gambling,  addictions is always associated with loses,  failure and indebtedness,  this have made it easy for us to separate addiction from a successful gamblers,  so without any further discussion on this we should already have it settled within our mind that there is no connection between the two.

Even though there is no consistent winnings in gambling,  but if a gambler is calculative enough,  he or she will have a better chance and when such chance present itself a successful gambler will take the chances with both hands and utilize the opportunity to cover up for all previous bad experience and loses from gambling and also being able to stay focus not to go overly into chasing that direction.

This is what makes the difference between a successful gambler vs an addict.

That is the difference between a successful gambler and a gambler who is addicted to gambling. Treating gambling as entertainment will not make someone a gambler who is addicted to gambling because they just want to have fun from gambling and can use their time and money well. Even though they are not successful gamblers, at least they can be responsible as gamblers. Maybe one day, if they can remain responsible while gambling, they too can become successful gamblers. In other words, they can win and use their winnings well. Meanwhile, gamblers who are addicted to gambling will only become increasingly trapped in the gambling circle without being able to get out of it if they do not have the desire to cure their gambling addiction. Successful gamblers can also be responsible for avoiding gambling addiction because they have the necessary things to avoid gambling addiction.

It is true that it will be difficult for someone to get lucky when playing gambling, but it is not luck that a wise gambler is looking for. He just wants to have fun playing gambling. And even though we may have difficulty finding a successful gambler, that doesn't mean we can't find him because maybe one day, we will find him so we can learn a lot from him. We can only try to be responsible gamblers because that is the most important thing to avoid gambling addiction, which will be a big problem for everyone who gambles excessively.

Yeah, I agree with all you have said, and I want to give an example through a question. If Mr. DBS is being helped by his uncle, let's say maybe the uncle always gives $100 to Mr. DBS every day, and as a result of that, it has prompted him to always do what his uncle asks him to do. Should we say Mr. DBS is foolish or addicted to the money he receives from his uncle every day? Obviously, as long as you are always successful and gain from gambling, and also as long as you can quit when you are no longer successful in gambling, then I doubt if it cannot be counted as addiction.

Because if Mr. DBS is not getting anything from his uncle, he will wall off to look for some paying job that can put food on his table.

 Always knowing how to walk away when it is no longer successful is not addiction.

Gambling is nothing we need to prepare ourselves for or not we can be incurring loses that we never plan for. We need to be very honest with ourselves or else we will be making mistake that can be easily avoided if we know what to do and how to talk to friends who can help us and earn profits.

Successful gamblers are always seen as an addictive gamblers because of there frequent gambling activities. To be a successful gambler we most have been gambling for many times with so many games been attempted to. Everything we do we need to make sure that we can comfortable with what we do and ensure that we don't do things too much.

Most times we misinterpret a lot of things and just reason out things in our head that may not have any bases with real life and destiny,  how we connect success to addictions,  because when a gambler is consistent with an inner aims to win big at some point,  it becomes very important for you to follow your design roadmaps.

Also paying no attention to any distractions,  because in most societies around the world,  money is the only definition of success so when you win big no one give a shit of all left for you to control you gambling activities to escape addictions.

If you're the addicted kind of gambler then you're most likely not going to be successful because that addiction on itself is a barrier from being successful, a gambler who is successful has to be someone who is coordinated in all things he does while gambling without leaving behind what should have bee done undone, we alsl have to have a routine check and balance on ourselves with how we gamble and what we do to make it better for us in having fun and making friends, we have many successful business entrepreneurs who are successful in life and yet they gamble responsibly and have nothing to loose, if we have arrived or haven't, we have to gamble responsibly.

Yes, it is very correct, but it is as you say, a successful player knows how to withdraw from the game so as not to continue losing and that is an advantage, I think that an addict like that knows that he will be bankrupt, he does not withdraw from the game , this will gives to a level where he can no Longer do more, nor can he do more, because that is what addiction consists of, something uncontrollable for the player and that obviously needs many things so that he can do things well, the biggest problem for a player is when If you run out of money, and you have to resort to other methods to get money and continue playing, in itself, the game is what does not give the game peace of mind, and every second you have left is stronger for the player, so in this order Of course we could think that things can be good for a casino and bad for a player, only the casino is not to blame for a player's addiction, because as I have said on many occasions, the casino does not force a player to place bets or Does it tell you how much you can bet, everything is under your absolute Responsibility , then we could conclude that when it comes to addiction , when it Belongs to people who are addicted or not, it could not be considered whether an addiction is successful, but rather it would have another name , because if it is successful, and makes a good amount of Money , then it is something very good, even I would do it, if it were successful, I don't care, but I would play and play because my results are good, but rest I don't think so.

A successful player in a casino is quite difficult to exist, if there is one I don't know where he will be, or in which casino he will play, because it is very difficult for someone to be profitable and even less so in games of chance, even so in sports betting it is also Profitable difficult , those things like Trading are difficult to have, so what I think is that each player has his time and streak, but a good streak to take advantage of every moment he plays, otherwise I don't love him or feel Addicted to him until he loses control of your money and your life Becomes Distorted.

You could say that one sign (as long as it's matched with others) of a successful gambler is that they won't care how they are "seen". Much like a person who has millions in the bank and lives a rather frugal, or at least not extravagant, lifestyle can live happily. If they are truly successful, as in they make enough money to sustain themselves and even become partially rich from gambling in a talented way, then they can rightly ignore anyone around them that perceives gambling to be a reckless endeavor. People are able to make their own determinations on how profitable a certain activity is and an outsider might not understand what sort of money they are actually making from this pursuit, so should not judge.

I think there is certainly cross over.  Anyone who bets often people tend to see them as addicted.  But if they continually win there is nothing saying they can't turn it off and stop.  That's the addiction part when you can't walk away.  But if you are successful at continually making money you might not want to.  Not wanting to and not able to are 2 different things that differentiates whether you are addicted or not, not how much you bet.

Yeah there are people who have been made successful who made it after all, at the middle of wanting to quit. I think this class of people can also be argued whether they were addict. I think this is about destiny and not just of addiction or whether they have reasonably gambled by doing and taking the right step.

However, I think the general believe will be if you gambled alot and become addict and winning big, you are a success despite being an addict because nobody remembers that 

You know, I had expressed before that successful gamblers could not be addicted to gambling at the same time, but your post make me think otherwise...

They may not be very far from themselves. Those we usually see as gambling addicts and struggling with their money could have been not long ago someone who would point out to be a "successful" gambler, living a good enough life.

Those who live a good life thanks to gambling may be only in the middle of the way to end up penniless (in case they do not quit).
It is quite a sad thing to reflect about, in my opinion...

You are actually wrong about addiction being synonymous to only bad things, that is a big misconception on your part and one I did help you correct if you would permit me.

There are several positive sides to addiction but the thing is that, it's often not seen or looked at, or discussed same way we discuss about the negative sides of addiction, take for example, one can be addicted to his or her faith, Christian, muslim, whatever, that is a good thing as long as that addiction make the person to do and keep all the commandments in the holy book ..

As a person, I can love music so much that it becomes an addiction, I don't see anything wrong with becoming addicted to listening to music, singing and what have you .

Some can be addicted to playing football, it's also not a bad thing, infact, many of the great players we celebrate today started their journey as football addicts, that made them to constantly be on the field playing football, which also means training, and today, we celebrate them, while they do what they love ..

I could go on and on , the list is endless, but like I said before, we don't normally discuss the good\positive sides of addiction, we only think and talk about the negative side of it .

The only successful gamblers for me are the ones who hit multi million dollars jackpots which can happen only in Las Vegas normally as 75 million dollars cannot be won that often in online casinos.Even these people are not all successful ones as some of them lose it all after winning such huge amount of money by spending in a complete irresponsible way and very few of them become smart because of such winnings investing the money and enjoying that luxurious life style.

Of course people who win such huge amounts are addicts or at least were as they have kept trying for a long time as you cannot win these huge sums with just occasional gambling.

I think the key difference between a gambling addict and a successful gambler is what you see visually.

If a gambler is successful, you will see a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle from the fruits of the winnings....
Until of course, it ends. There aren't many people who aren't in-the-know and are successful gamblers for a very long term.

If a gambler is not successful, you will see a lot more about the person that is nothing like the above, and if it is a serious/harmful addiction, then changes in health, desperation in finance, etc all become apparent the worse the addiction gets.

So, are successful gamblers addicts? Who wouldn't be addicted to winning if more often than not, winning is what was happening. Who wouldn't be addicted if they were beating games that are rigged against you and where you have more odds of losing than winning? I'm sure that feeling of triumph would be even more addicting than gambling itself.

in short, yes successful gamblers are probably addicts too...you just don't see most of the signs of negative/detrimental lifestyle that a non-successful addicted gambler might display.

From what you have described - the Pareto distrubution term also refers to most people in crypto also. Just adding on to your point, most of the money goes to 10% of the people in crypto, the rest lose. This is the same in trading.