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Quote from: Nerdy doctor on September 03, 2023, 08:53:02 AM

Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

Well, as the old saying goes; practice makes perfect. This also implies in the case of a "successful gambler". He/she has to spend some amount of time invested into gambling to be really good at it. Plus I'd like to add a successful gambler would have to be smart about his or her choices when it comes to gambling. I think it's only normal to be addicted...In the past, the psychiatric community generally regarded gambling as a compulsion rather than an addiction and one doesn't really have to be successful in it to be addicted (in my opinion).

The need to gamble more to increase the amounts of money already accumulated, or even attempting to get back what was lost through gambling all boils down to the creation of addiction unknowingly to the individual involved. Generally gambling is addictive, and a successful gambler would know this.

For many people, the term "successful gambler" is an oxymoron, but only a select handful can claim it. The ability to make wise decisions and knowledge are both essential. A thin line does exist, though. Even the most sage people can become blinded by the quest of more. While the compulsive gambler becomes stuck in a cycle of chasing losses, a smart gambler knows when to quit. Perhaps acquiring the skill of disengagement from the game is the key to true success. There is no denying the draw of gambling, but real success comes from realising how seductive it is. Earning money is important, but self-psychological control is also essential to success. Keep in mind that the house always has the advantage.

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

Well, as the old saying goes; practice makes perfect. This also implies in the case of a "successful gambler". He/she has to spend some amount of time invested into gambling to be really good at it. Plus I'd like to add a successful gambler would have to be smart about his or her choices when it comes to gambling. I think it's only normal to be addicted...In the past, the psychiatric community generally regarded gambling as a compulsion rather than an addiction and one doesn't really have to be successful in it to be addicted (in my opinion).

The need to gamble more to increase the amounts of money already accumulated, or even attempting to get back what was lost through gambling all boils down to the creation of addiction unknowingly to the individual involved. Generally gambling is addictive, and a successful gambler would know this.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 08, 2023, 03:57:13 PM

In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?

Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

He's not wrong, but many people think that if someone can win a lot of money and can win it more often than other people, that person can be said to be a successful gambler. However, a successful gambler cannot be said to be a gambling addict because at least they have many things that can prevent them from becoming addicted. Meanwhile, people who cannot control themselves will get addicted to gambling, which will happen in no time. People who are successful at gambling may be able to avoid gambling addiction because they know that they have the possibility of losing. And if they have lost, they can return to playing. Even in a matter of minutes, they will continue their gambling game. But a successful gambler knows that he cannot win games forever, so he must be able to stop after winning.

I call those people gifted and passionate. When they succeed in a particular field, "addiction" will no longer suit them. For example, we often gamble, and people say we are addicted. But still gambling regularly and adding winning titles and prizes in gambling competitions, the words to describe us would be completely different.
Another more realistic example. If you gamble, the win will be yours. Then your wife will say you're great. Conversely, if you always lose, your wife will call you an addict.

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?

Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

I totally agree with your opinion about successful people in gambling and the general notion that most of them are gambling addicts because it's one thing to be successful in gambling and totally a different thing to be a gambling addict because.
It takes careful analysis about gambling, when it's best to gamble and also when to stop to be successful in gambling while a gambling addicts most times doesn't follow any procedure because of their unquenchable desire to win as soon as possible which in most cases makes them to lose way too more than can ever win

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

- I'm not the type of gambler with an addiction because I only play when I want to, and the amount I gamble is limited, and when it runs out, I stop immediately. That's just what I do as a player in a casino here in cryptogaming. Although sometimes I feel tempted, somehow I overcome it. Because I know what happens when we give in to temptation.

Then I think that successful gamblers are those who win a large amount of money and then rarely gamble because the size of what they won was invested in building a business, and that's what they prioritize.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 02, 2023, 07:27:58 AM

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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.

Yes I agree with this, simply put people who gamble are addicted, but I think the addiction factor can be measured, how often they go there to gamble and how rarely they do it, it can be a benchmark for us to see whether they are already addicted at a high level or still below average. There is no denying that winning is their main goal why they always come to gamble.

True, everyone has their own amount to lose in gambling, some may only lose some of their pocket money and some may lose everything they have and not infrequently make their economy and family fall apart. Therefore, the truth is that even if you have the excuse that you are doing it for fun, it is still basically an addiction but in a low level, so it does not mean that you should continue doing it, and there is nothing better unless you stop doing it because it will only create new problems for your life.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 02, 2023, 07:27:58 AM

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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 02, 2023, 07:27:58 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on July 08, 2023, 03:57:13 PM

In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?

Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

He's not wrong, but many people think that if someone can win a lot of money and can win it more often than other people, that person can be said to be a successful gambler. However, a successful gambler cannot be said to be a gambling addict because at least they have many things that can prevent them from becoming addicted. Meanwhile, people who cannot control themselves will get addicted to gambling, which will happen in no time. People who are successful at gambling may be able to avoid gambling addiction because they know that they have the possibility of losing. And if they have lost, they can return to playing. Even in a matter of minutes, they will continue their gambling game. But a successful gambler knows that he cannot win games forever, so he must be able to stop after winning.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 02, 2023, 07:27:58 AM

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?

Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

They are as addicted as we think but the difference is that they are able to control themselves from not overspending which is why even they are into gambling every day but still, they keep on limits. That is why they become successful and their bad experience taught them something about how to stay in gambling without compromising their finances. It could be different from what we literally understand about addiction but as we are in gambling, losses is very possible even though we are successful.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 08, 2023, 03:57:13 PM

Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?

Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

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Quote from: piebeyb on September 02, 2023, 05:43:43 AM

Yes, it is true that addiction will make a person poor, because I rarely see addicts becoming rich, on the contrary, it makes addicts bankrupt and moreover many commit suicide because of large debts because they are ashamed of their families, that's why they are always reminded to gamble with be responsible and gamble wisely because it is difficult to recover from addiction.

There are lots of threads discussing addiction on this forum so that you can remind beginner gamblers, especially not to play like that, starting with small bets then getting big and out of control, after being broke and poor, you only realize that you are addicted, I think it is important to continue to remind beginners to be more careful when gambling.

This is what I commonly see, hear, and read too. I guess the usual scenario of gambling addicts that don't have the means to sustain his vices in the first place really involves becoming poor because he isn't financially literate to begin with and having piled up burdens on their chest such as having anxiety, depression, and other mental illnesses because they neglect themselves. They prioritize gambling instead of taking care of themselves and their future. Which is really a problematic thing since it will have a chain reaction if you ever go downhill.

Most rich persons who became rich because of gambling, I can't really say they are addicted. I'd rather say they are passionate about gambling because they managed to grow profit by playing. In this case, they have what it takes to be successful such as the knowledge, determination, and of course discipline that made them achieve their current standing. If they are just like any addicts, they wouldn't be successful since gambling addicts are known to chase winnings despite it being impractical and irrational.

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Quote from: nullama on September 02, 2023, 04:31:24 AM

That's a good point.

Addiction takes time, people start with a few dollars, and then eventually it continues increasing until at some point they will be betting hundreds or thousands of dollars without much worries.

It's at that point where really bad things can happen. Someone can lose their entire life savings in an afternoon.

Yes, it is true that addiction will make a person poor, because I rarely see addicts becoming rich, on the contrary, it makes addicts bankrupt and moreover many commit suicide because of large debts because they are ashamed of their families, that's why they are always reminded to gamble with be responsible and gamble wisely because it is difficult to recover from addiction.

There are lots of threads discussing addiction on this forum so that you can remind beginner gamblers, especially not to play like that, starting with small bets then getting big and out of control, after being broke and poor, you only realize that you are addicted, I think it is important to continue to remind beginners to be more careful when gambling.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 01, 2023, 08:35:39 AM

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In my opinion you are looking at things too one-sidedly. Any addiction can have several stages. No one sells their house and puts all their money on the line on the second day of gambling. In addition, not everyone is able to bring themselves to such despair and such people are likely to have mental health problems, which in combination with gambling and lead a person to trouble.
All of us are somewhat dependent on gambling if we play them and a successful player is no exception, he just knows how to control himself and is fully aware of his actions.

That's a good point.

Addiction takes time, people start with a few dollars, and then eventually it continues increasing until at some point they will be betting hundreds or thousands of dollars without much worries.

It's at that point where really bad things can happen. Someone can lose their entire life savings in an afternoon.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2023, 11:17:51 PM

However the society does not see the successful gambler as gambling addict. They treat them as role model for other gamblers which is not right.

Once you're being successful in gambling for a time, know that it's not all about that alone, it has to be maintained on be a consistent or regular experience you should be having, the challenge here now is that how many successful gamblers are addicted gamblers or maybe we should buy it this way that how many addicted gamblers were being successful.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2023, 11:17:51 PM

As long as you are winning , people will appraise you even if you are addicted to gambling. That's a sad reality.

People will definitely see the success in what you do and not minding in knowing the path through which you've troaded on to have achieved such result with gambling, which is true that people were not after the process, all they want is the end results in what we do.

Yes, maybe stopping for a moment to take time and enjoy the victory in my opinion is very necessary, why not? because someone in the future has to rethink what strategy to do to gamble again and hope that the strategy that is carried out will make himself lucky again.
And I agree that other people can only see the process we have done in gambling and later they will judge for themselves the results we get, whether we win or lose.

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If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.

Successful gamblers are never addicted to gambling. Because those who are addicted to gambling deviate from their normal thinking and greed works in them due to which they cannot gain anything good from gambling. On the other hand they suffer a lot from gambling. However, those who are successful gamblers do not gamble for a long time but think a lot and do a lot of research and then invest in gambling. Don't panic while gambling but gamble with a cool head. And finally they succeed. they are the real gainers

It's not always about the gains, but it's the control they have over their losses that makes them successful because they don't just allow the house to rip them off but they stop gambling right at the moment they see they are losing constantly which is usually an indicator that your luck isn't working and you should stop trying, but most gamblers don't see this that way and they keep thinking that they will start winning any time until they lose everything.

So, when they manage to save their funds from excessive losses when their luck isn't on their side, they use the same money to win in a different session sometime later which is what everyone should do. I've suggested this to a lot of people but they just don't understand and keep doing what they think is right.

When they lose gambling they stop gambling and when they win gambling they stop gambling. Because they never panic. They always gamble coldly. And they use some modern techniques which are very effective in gambling. Gambling is very dangerous for someone who gambles in panic and gambling changes someone's fortune. Because if someone is destined for something big, winning it will change his life if he can hold on that winning money. There are many people who win big in gambling and immediately panic and gamble again and lose it. And such people can never be successful

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2023, 11:17:51 PM

However the society does not see the successful gambler as gambling addict. They treat them as role model for other gamblers which is not right.

Once you're being successful in gambling for a time, know that it's not all about that alone, it has to be maintained on be a consistent or regular experience you should be having, the challenge here now is that how many successful gamblers are addicted gamblers or maybe we should buy it this way that how many addicted gamblers were being successful.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 30, 2023, 11:17:51 PM

As long as you are winning , people will appraise you even if you are addicted to gambling. That's a sad reality.

People will definitely see the success in what you do and not minding in knowing the path through which you've troaded on to have achieved such result with gambling, which is true that people were not after the process, all they want is the end results in what we do.

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Quote from: Strongkored on September 01, 2023, 07:51:34 AM

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In my opinion you are looking at things too one-sidedly. Any addiction can have several stages. No one sells their house and puts all their money on the line on the second day of gambling. In addition, not everyone is able to bring themselves to such despair and such people are likely to have mental health problems, which in combination with gambling and lead a person to trouble.
All of us are somewhat dependent on gambling if we play them and a successful player is no exception, he just knows how to control himself and is fully aware of his actions.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on August 31, 2023, 06:12:22 PM

First of all how do we measure a successful gambler, a successful gambler is the one who has used gambling to acquire everything in life. And he is still living fine in the society. Now do we have such gamblers in the society? And I don't think so. But we have average gamblers.

Of course, it is quite confusing how we judge whether someone is a successful gambler because there is no definite assessment, someone who wins a large amount in the lottery might be said to be a successful gambler because he got a life-changing value, or someone who in his gaming period really can produce and have a lot of assets because of gambling.
However, people who always do the same activities cannot be said to be addicted, because if the assessment is from the frequency of doing activities, then people who always watch sports matches every day are also addicts or other activities. If indeed there is a gambler who is successful with his gambling of course because he does well with good self-control, if he is addicted he is not a successful person but a person who is sick.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on August 31, 2023, 06:12:22 PM

First of all how do we measure a successful gambler, a successful gambler is the one who has used gambling to acquire everything in life. And he is still living fine in the society. Now do we have such gamblers in the society? And I don't think so. But we have average gamblers. Those who have money in the gambling field and uses huge amount of money to gamble are businessmen and not successful gamblers. A gambler might wins a big amount of money and by the time he has done or carry out some the project, the money would just finished halfway.

In addition, a successful gambler is always a gambling addict if you are not an addict there is no way you will become a successful gambler because for you to be a successful gambler, your body and soul must involved.

I agree with you, if someone is said to be successful as a gambler it is not measured by his wealth or even his position, what we see is how they carry out their gambling well and appear relaxed and calm.
And I also see that business people will also gamble because they hope for luck here, even the money at stake is very large because they think the money will return soon, even though they don't necessarily win, instead they lose all the money.
And without him knowing that he has become a gambling addict, and I agree that if a successful gambling addict he is able to enjoy the game with all his heart and a clear or good mind.

Well that's right, that's the true meaning of success from those who are called gamblers, I'm also a little strange about the theory that someone can be successful in gambling, how can they say that while on the other hand gambling is just about luck, but there are still those who believe that successful gamblers are those who have abundant wealth. I will repeat, as you said successful gamblers are those who are able to control themselves every time they gamble, they comply with some restrictions that they have prepared beforehand, so maybe the addiction will not be there. Many people come to gambling with the aim of gambling the money they bring even if the amount is small, actually gambling is not a problem if you come for fun, because before you come you should already know about all the risks that are there. Like the successful gamblers we discussed above, they have no ambitions or expectations and they always stick to their limits. Well like you said, they come for the win but obviously there is no guarantee or certainty of getting that, and I will say again it all comes back to your own luck, if you are lucky then you will win. So think healthy, and don't let your emotions get the best of you.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on August 31, 2023, 06:12:22 PM

First of all how do we measure a successful gambler, a successful gambler is the one who has used gambling to acquire everything in life. And he is still living fine in the society. Now do we have such gamblers in the society? And I don't think so. But we have average gamblers. Those who have money in the gambling field and uses huge amount of money to gamble are businessmen and not successful gamblers. A gambler might wins a big amount of money and by the time he has done or carry out some the project, the money would just finished halfway.

In addition, a successful gambler is always a gambling addict if you are not an addict there is no way you will become a successful gambler because for you to be a successful gambler, your body and soul must involved.

I agree with you, if someone is said to be successful as a gambler it is not measured by his wealth or even his position, what we see is how they carry out their gambling well and appear relaxed and calm.
And I also see that business people will also gamble because they hope for luck here, even the money at stake is very large because they think the money will return soon, even though they don't necessarily win, instead they lose all the money.
And without him knowing that he has become a gambling addict, and I agree that if a successful gambling addict he is able to enjoy the game with all his heart and a clear or good mind.

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