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Quote from: Cantsay on June 24, 2023, 03:25:46 AM

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As a football lover and a club fan I will always support my club no matter who their rival could be, for that's the spirit of fanship. Betting against my club does makes me feel some slight guilt inside as it's like I am never always there for a club I claim to support when they're playing against another team with no winning chance, only giving support to your club when they are at the advantage end doesn't show much of a die-hard fan you are. I place my bet in favor of my club at anytime not minding the odds. I only give attention to odds when it's not my club.

Then it means you're not ready to win whenever it's your club turn to play, you should reaalise that the fact that you're gambling is not to support your club but instead to either earn some cash or get entertained. A gambler should know when it's time to set aside their emotion an place a bet against their club rather than for the to keep consoling themselves after placing a bet in favour of their club when the odds vividly revealed that they stood no chance against their opponent.
If it happens that I have to place a bet against my club to win the bet I'm certain I won't have a second thought about it.

But if we feel that we could feel guilty about making a decision, we should do nothing but just sit back and watch the game. There's still plenty of time to place a bet on another team, so there's no feeling of guilt. And it's better if we don't use emotions in placing bets because of that guilt. Maybe some will still place bets for the team as a form of support but some do not place bets so it will return to each person. Maybe skipping the match will make our hearts calm and not think about anything, especially guilt if we don't support the team.

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When betting i don’t let my emotions take charge, nobody wants his team to loose but when the odds are not in favor of my team and in actuality i can clearly see it would be difficult for my team then i will have to bet against them but in most cases i often choose not to bet on the game, i skip that match because I can’t bear to see my team loose. But come to think of it, if the odds are against your team and you end up placing a bet against them and the outcome was positive, your team lost but you won the bet i don’t think you will be sad about the outcome. It happened to me once and i was not that sad because i have money to spend. Its just like someone pay you if your team losses.

Ideally, if a true gambler would do his betting. they are well aware that as gamblers, they will put their emotions aside, even if it involves the team they are passionate about. why, so they can think from a neutral, objective point of view. plus, without any aggravating factors. after that, they will analyze it based on the insights and knowledge they have. if the choice is not ideal for betting on the team they are interested in, they will usually look at various other options. otherwise, they could just bet on the team that is more profitable for them. in essence, they will choose the more profitable option. that way, they will benefit from the gamble.

Unlike us, we ourselves tend not to bet if the opponents are above them. for example, Arsenal vs City. automatically, I would not bet on Arsenal even though it is my favorite team. because theoretically, City is far above Arsenal's level. except, I will have another option like Under/Over. or, I wouldn't bet at all. not really, to bet on City. in essence, all gamblers will do as they wish. in fact, not infrequently, even though a team is an Underdog team, as true fans they will happily bet on their favorite team. so, we will find various opinions on the questions raised by the OP.

Your personal gaming tactics show an astute, cautious approach, yet it may not reflect the broader gambliing demographic's actions. The claim of a 'true gambler' being neutral and objective is debatable. Although the notion of a fully logical, analytical player is appealing, gambling is an emotional sport, often disrupting sound decision-making.

Yes, many punters back their beloved team, even when odds aren't in their favor. This underscores gambling's entangled web of emotions and rationality. Labeling a 'true gambler' as purely objective perhaps simplifies this complex matrix

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Quote from: letteredhub on June 23, 2023, 03:01:59 PM

As a football lover and a club fan I will always support my club no matter who their rival could be, for that's the spirit of fanship. Betting against my club does makes me feel some slight guilt inside as it's like I am never always there for a club I claim to support when they're playing against another team with no winning chance, only giving support to your club when they are at the advantage end doesn't show much of a die-hard fan you are. I place my bet in favor of my club at anytime not minding the odds. I only give attention to odds when it's not my club.

Yes, of course, I will also do things that always think of supporting the club that is supported, after all, if indeed the club that is supported is against a great club, I think you don't need to bet, it's more than enough, you don't need to bet on another club that is your opponent, even though in the end it's a club win against a club that we support, it seems that it feels bad to win a bet against a club that has been supported so far.

But unfortunately I'm not wrong to support the club as an example of Manchester City, they happen to be a club that is quite good in performance as well as the quality of their play is consistent in every match so I never bet on other clubs, just bet on Manchester City as the winner and to be honest during the UCL yesterday I am quite profitable betting for the clubs I support like Manchester City. Grin

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Quote from: letteredhub on June 23, 2023, 03:01:59 PM

As a football lover and a club fan I will always support my club no matter who their rival could be, for that's the spirit of fanship. Betting against my club does makes me feel some slight guilt inside as it's like I am never always there for a club I claim to support when they're playing against another team with no winning chance, only giving support to your club when they are at the advantage end doesn't show much of a die-hard fan you are. I place my bet in favor of my club at anytime not minding the odds. I only give attention to odds when it's not my club.

Then it means you're not ready to win whenever it's your club turn to play, you should reaalise that the fact that you're gambling is not to support your club but instead to either earn some cash or get entertained. A gambler should know when it's time to set aside their emotion an place a bet against their club rather than for the to keep consoling themselves after placing a bet in favour of their club when the odds vividly revealed that they stood no chance against their opponent.
If it happens that I have to place a bet against my club to win the bet I'm certain I won't have a second thought about it.

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Quote from: len01 on June 23, 2023, 08:04:34 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 23, 2023, 06:59:48 PM

The thing is that, sports bets are not the same as other gambling games where players play for fun, but in sports bets, it's all about winning so is not for being a fan but for winning in the bets, and if the team playing against your team is stronger and likely to win the match then the club will get my winning ticket because it far better to win the bet by selecting the other team instead losing it because you want to show solidarity to your team.

So for me yes, I would pick a club that will win and not based on being a fan of the other and lose my bet.

what is more certain in this gambling is about winning and losing or wasting money or gaining profits. so that no one wants to bet on his favorite team but the opponent looks to win.

you are the typical realistic gambler that you don't think you want to waste your bet and still make a profit betting on the opposing team or the winning team. for me it is natural because gamblers don't want to lose their bet on their favorite team which has seen losing at the end of the game just wasting money and I myself will do the same thing.
I think most people here would definitely choose to bet on the winning team, not the favorite losing team.

Like everyone else a gamble does have a favorite team. Same woth boxing, they are fans of someone but if this fighter they like are matched to someone on the heavier rank, its another level. A gambler will weigh in his interest to make money than being a fan.

Those who will bet for Errol Spence I guess sees a different result but Crawford will be the champ of the people.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 23, 2023, 06:59:48 PM

The thing is that, sports bets are not the same as other gambling games where players play for fun, but in sports bets, it's all about winning so is not for being a fan but for winning in the bets, and if the team playing against your team is stronger and likely to win the match then the club will get my winning ticket because it far better to win the bet by selecting the other team instead losing it because you want to show solidarity to your team.

So for me yes, I would pick a club that will win and not based on being a fan of the other and lose my bet.

what is more certain in this gambling is about winning and losing or wasting money or gaining profits. so that no one wants to bet on his favorite team but the opponent looks to win.

you are the typical realistic gambler that you don't think you want to waste your bet and still make a profit betting on the opposing team or the winning team. for me it is natural because gamblers don't want to lose their bet on their favorite team which has seen losing at the end of the game just wasting money and I myself will do the same thing.
I think most people here would definitely choose to bet on the winning team, not the favorite losing team.

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The thing is that, sports bets are not the same as other gambling games where players play for fun, but in sports bets, it's all about winning so is not for being a fan but for winning in the bets, and if the team playing against your team is stronger and likely to win the match then the club will get my winning ticket because it far better to win the bet by selecting the other team instead losing it because you want to show solidarity to your team.

So for me yes, I would pick a club that will win and not based on being a fan of the other and lose my bet.

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Quote from: Weawant on June 23, 2023, 06:38:15 PM

Quote from: Japinat on June 23, 2023, 01:45:07 PM

Being a bettor and a loyal to your club or team is a two complete different things as there are no connections to begin with. I personally enjoys watching my favorite team and do some bet as well in their favor as long as I know that their chances to win are good as being a fan, I somewhat know what are their strengths and limitations, but if there's an instance that I don't see them winning, I just watch the game and skipped the betting as I know what is the likelihood of the outcome.

Skipping that particular bet is the most respectful thing to do as it shows your loyalty to the club but football is evolving, there's no loyalty again in football. Players that ones who die for the clubs they're playing at no longer has that as if they get a higher salary they'll leave instantly.

We can see players now leaving a rival club to join another rival clubs and act like they don't care. Football has turned into a business so we can profit from our teams weaknesses without feeling guilty. Since you know your team very well, it just makes sense to use them in making money.

Betting against your favorite club doesn't make you less of a fan, it's just like you betting in favor of a rival club because you know they can win you your bet. it just means you're doing business and when doing business you go for the best decision that'll make you profits.

It would really be according into you personal point of views on which if you cant really afford on betting against on the team that you do like the most then its really just that true that it would be better to skip out such
bet or wouldnt really be making a bet at all. A true gambler or who does really mind off about making profits on gambling wouldnt really be something that would be sticking on a particular team even though it would really be their favorite but since they've seen that it is really that on disadvantage then it would really be normal that they would really be making out adjustments and would made out some counter betting.
If you are die hard fan then you would be making out those blind bets despite on being that too obvious on whose the favorite or would likely to win. It isnt really that bad on having that kind of behavior
because on the time that you do make out bets then you are pretty aware on whose likely to win and you have just bet according into your own interest and principle.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 23, 2023, 01:45:07 PM

Being a bettor and a loyal to your club or team is a two complete different things as there are no connections to begin with. I personally enjoys watching my favorite team and do some bet as well in their favor as long as I know that their chances to win are good as being a fan, I somewhat know what are their strengths and limitations, but if there's an instance that I don't see them winning, I just watch the game and skipped the betting as I know what is the likelihood of the outcome.

Skipping that particular bet is the most respectful thing to do as it shows your loyalty to the club but football is evolving, there's no loyalty again in football. Players that ones who die for the clubs they're playing at no longer has that as if they get a higher salary they'll leave instantly.

We can see players now leaving a rival club to join another rival clubs and act like they don't care. Football has turned into a business so we can profit from our teams weaknesses without feeling guilty. Since you know your team very well, it just makes sense to use them in making money.

Betting against your favorite club doesn't make you less of a fan, it's just like you betting in favor of a rival club because you know they can win you your bet. it just means you're doing business and when doing business you go for the best decision that'll make you profits.

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Quote from: Nheer on June 22, 2023, 07:26:19 AM

When betting i don’t let my emotions take charge, nobody wants his team to loose but when the odds are not in favor of my team and in actuality i can clearly see it would be difficult for my team then i will have to bet against them but in most cases i often choose not to bet on the game, i skip that match because I can’t bear to see my team loose. But come to think of it, if the odds are against your team and you end up placing a bet against them and the outcome was positive, your team lost but you won the bet i don’t think you will be sad about the outcome. It happened to me once and i was not that sad because i have money to spend. Its just like someone pay you if your team losses.

Ideally, if a true gambler would do his betting. they are well aware that as gamblers, they will put their emotions aside, even if it involves the team they are passionate about. why, so they can think from a neutral, objective point of view. plus, without any aggravating factors. after that, they will analyze it based on the insights and knowledge they have. if the choice is not ideal for betting on the team they are interested in, they will usually look at various other options. otherwise, they could just bet on the team that is more profitable for them. in essence, they will choose the more profitable option. that way, they will benefit from the gamble.

Unlike us, we ourselves tend not to bet if the opponents are above them. for example, Arsenal vs City. automatically, I would not bet on Arsenal even though it is my favorite team. because theoretically, City is far above Arsenal's level. except, I will have another option like Under/Over. or, I wouldn't bet at all. not really, to bet on City. in essence, all gamblers will do as they wish. in fact, not infrequently, even though a team is an Underdog team, as true fans they will happily bet on their favorite team. so, we will find various opinions on the questions raised by the OP.

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As a football lover and a club fan I will always support my club no matter who their rival could be, for that's the spirit of fanship. Betting against my club does makes me feel some slight guilt inside as it's like I am never always there for a club I claim to support when they're playing against another team with no winning chance, only giving support to your club when they are at the advantage end doesn't show much of a die-hard fan you are. I place my bet in favor of my club at anytime not minding the odds. I only give attention to odds when it's not my club.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 23, 2023, 01:45:07 PM

Being a bettor and a loyal to your club or team is a two complete different things as there are no connections to begin with. I personally enjoys watching my favorite team and do some bet as well in their favor as long as I know that their chances to win are good as being a fan, I somewhat know what are their strengths and limitations, but if there's an instance that I don't see them winning, I just watch the game and skipped the betting as I know what is the likelihood of the outcome.

Fair point. I don't view betting on favorite team as a support because our bets doesn't reach them also betting against them is not a form of betrayal because you simply acknowledge your team wekaness over their opponent which we should knew very well because we are always watching their games and follow their performance.

We are betting to gain some money and not to support favorite teams. I will watch their games if I want to support them but not through betting because it's just a waste on betting to them while we know that the chance of winning is very low.

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Quote from: Sim_card on June 23, 2023, 01:36:08 PM

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Quote from: Gulttam2a2 on June 23, 2023, 01:15:46 AM

As a gambler I will never bet against my favorite team and the team I am a fan of. I have faith in my team that my team will never let me down. Be it cricket, football or anything else. From my real experience I bet against my favorite team in gambling and I lost. But if your team is weak then you can bet against your team and you won't let your money go too easily.

You are so loyal, but maybe sometimes I will that thing as well but of course I will bet largely to the team that I am believing with and little amount to the other team . But I think , I did not do these kind of team because like you I will support my fav team until the end, whether they are losing or what I will stick to that no matter what happens.

Wow..you guys are die hard fans to your team I love that commitment and believe you have in your teams. I will bet against my team secretly, if I know that they don't have what it takes to win their opponent. I might be in love with my team but I wouldn't let that deprive me from betting against them for money,especially when I know very well that the probability of my team winning the game will smaller compare to the other team. Though,whenever our team is playing there is this emotional feeling that they should always win the game. Gambling is a game of luck and sometimes our perspective fails us.

Being a bettor and a loyal to your club or team is a two complete different things as there are no connections to begin with. I personally enjoys watching my favorite team and do some bet as well in their favor as long as I know that their chances to win are good as being a fan, I somewhat know what are their strengths and limitations, but if there's an instance that I don't see them winning, I just watch the game and skipped the betting as I know what is the likelihood of the outcome.

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Quote from: Gulttam2a2 on June 23, 2023, 01:15:46 AM

As a gambler I will never bet against my favorite team and the team I am a fan of. I have faith in my team that my team will never let me down. Be it cricket, football or anything else. From my real experience I bet against my favorite team in gambling and I lost. But if your team is weak then you can bet against your team and you won't let your money go too easily.

You are so loyal, but maybe sometimes I will that thing as well but of course I will bet largely to the team that I am believing with and little amount to the other team . But I think , I did not do these kind of team because like you I will support my fav team until the end, whether they are losing or what I will stick to that no matter what happens.

Wow..you guys are die hard fans to your team I love that commitment and believe you have in your teams. I will bet against my team secretly, if I know that they don't have what it takes to win their opponent. I might be in love with my team but I wouldn't let that deprive me from betting against them for money,especially when I know very well that the probability of my team winning the game will smaller compare to the other team. Though,whenever our team is playing there is this emotional feeling that they should always win the game. Gambling is a game of luck and sometimes our perspective fails us.

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It actually depends in the gambler's perspective because at the end of the day, they are more as a gambler rather than just a fan who is afraid to bet against the team that they are a fan of. I mean, let's just be honest because betting against the team that we liked doesn't really mean that we are not that loyal to them because in the first place, that's not even a description of what a loyal fan would be.
We are here to bet and make money even if it means betting against them besides the entertainment we are getting as we surely don't want to be in the losing side just to be called loyal. Nobody will know, trust me.

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Quote from: Gulttam2a2 on June 23, 2023, 01:15:46 AM

As a gambler I will never bet against my favorite team and the team I am a fan of. I have faith in my team that my team will never let me down. Be it cricket, football or anything else. From my real experience I bet against my favorite team in gambling and I lost. But if your team is weak then you can bet against your team and you won't let your money go too easily.

You are so loyal, but maybe sometimes I will that thing as well but of course I will bet largely to the team that I am believing with and little amount to the other team . But I think , I did not do these kind of team because like you I will support my fav team until the end, whether they are losing or what I will stick to that no matter what happens.

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Most people imagine football is the one that people talk about, but when we start to talk about other sports that makes more sense to play against your own team. Like for example I am a big Spurs fan in NBA, san Antiono spurs not Tottenham one. And we have won 5 rings, that's a huge deal, not a lot of people have 5 rings, we have Duncan who did for example. This is why I believe that we are at a level where it is an elite team and unmatched by many other teams, only a few won more than us ever.

However, we suck right now, hopefully with Wemby we will do better, but all year long I have wagered against my favorite team, because Spurs never really won anything and I feel like it wasn't that hard to go against us, I knew we would lose.

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As a gambler I will never bet against my favorite team and the team I am a fan of. I have faith in my team that my team will never let me down. Be it cricket, football or anything else. From my real experience I bet against my favorite team in gambling and I lost. But if your team is weak then you can bet against your team and you won't let your money go too easily.

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I don't watch football matches that much, so I am unsure if this is the question for gamblers like me. But, sometimes, I place bets on cricket games. If you know your opponent's team is way stronger and your team is likely to lose the game, you can definitely place a bet against your team. But, if there is a 70% and 30% chance, still I will choose my team to place a bet. If the percentage is more than that, then I will not place a bet at all. But, if it's 90-10, there we go, buddy. I am sorry for my team. But make sure the amount is not too much so you can support your team as well. This is a win-win situation.

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Quote from: bangjoe on June 22, 2023, 07:42:39 AM

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Yes this, not only about football, in the context of this discussion can be associated with anything that does not have to be fixed on the football, sports such as volleyball, basketball and others are also still in the same line.
Yes basically we must be more realistic when we see the comparison between the team we enjoy and the opponent, because indeed in the process of gambling fanatical sentiment must be eliminated because it is if the orientation is the advantage in gambling.
As an example, I like the basketball team A who will face the basketball B team that has a different advantage from the team that I like (team A), if that's the one who picked up realistically I would choose team B to bet.

in simple terms that gamblers do not want to lose when betting in sports betting. right?
realistic thinking is important because even if we have a favorite team, we cannot lie to ourselves to benefit from the match or use other methods such as Asian Handicap. without the need for me to explain about Asian Handicap, of course we already know that we can bet on our favorite team, it's just a different way and still get an advantage.

I'm sure no one wants to bet on their favorite team when it's playing against another, stronger team.

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