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Quote from: KTChampions on April 20, 2024, 08:45:02 AM

It seems to me that Mbappe will receive the award, but not because he deserves it, but because in a pair of Haaland and Foden/Rodri + Vinny and Bellingham, the players will take points from each other.
The only thing that can change this situation is if Bellingham or Vinny show something outstanding at the end of the season.
However, there is also Euro 2024, there are also chances to show off there.

In my opinion, Bellingha has stronger chances of winning the Ballon d’Or trophy this season, especially after he eliminated Haaland and Foden from the UCL competition in the quarterfinals. His performance in last night's El Clasico was also impressive as he scored the winning goal against Barcelona, increasing his team's chances for the LaLiga trophy.

While Mbappe's performance wasn't as good against PSG, especially in the first leg match were he failed to help his team or create any chances against Barcelona, However, I think there's still time to determine who will perform well in Euro 2024 alongside the UCL trophy winner. These factors contribute to boosting the player chances, just like the last season when Messi won the Ballon d'Or because Argentina won the World Cup.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 22, 2024, 03:16:56 AM

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Hahaha everything will feel very easy for Messi because he is like golden boy by FIFA and Messi will be able to achieve what he wants even though that may be topic of conversation for many football fans.
But this will be different for Messi fans and they will still consider Messi as the best and Messi as the greatest star of all the existing players.
If he really takes part in the competition then it can be confirmed that there is another goal and of course this is about his name and career as football player, for some reason there are players who are full of protection from the top football federation officials.

It just that I not really sure whether he can get the Ballon d'Or in the future because the last award yesterday has caused negative sentiment and if that happens again then we will know what football fans are talking about and thinking about.

It looks like the PR people will be riding this dead horse for a long time - the America's Cup is ahead, plus, as we now know, the Olympics, so next year we can again give all the awards to Messi (if Argentina's performance is at least not terrible). Then in the USA they will invent, in addition to the League Cup, some other fucking tournament of third-rate teams and it will be possible to hold out until 2026 and the World Cup in America. Probably the medium-term goal is exactly this - for the largest competition you need great PR, and Messi, in whose PR FIFA has invested for decades, is ideal for this.

With Inter Miami Messi has performed quite well this season and the team has also managed to temporarily top the standings even though last season they performed poorly in the MLS competition, but their performance in the League Cup was quite good.
This season, we don't know whether he will be the star who succeeds in bringing Inter Miami to the title race in several competitions or not, but what is clear is that Messi is not great player with Argentina.
He has now been left behind by several other much younger players and Messi just seems like player to complement Argentina alone.
Copa America has yet to start and the World Cup Qualifiers while they are top of the standings and Messi doesn't look like player who will really be at the heart of those achievements.
Maybe many people still consider him to be the best player with the most Ballon d'Or wins and who has succeeded in bringing Argentina to become World Cup champions, but I myself don't think he is as good as what he has achieved from these various titles.
I don't know whether it will remain the same or not, but if Messi gets it again, it will be clear that FIFA is not evaluating it fairly.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on April 20, 2024, 08:30:23 AM

Recently Goal.com released news regarding the rankings of potential players who might be selected for the upcoming Ballon d'Or 2024 and ranked 20 players, reminder as this event will take appart in October 28th, 2024. Here's the list of the top 10 players:

1. Bellingham
2. Foden
3. Mbappé
4. Haaland
5. Rodri
6. Kane
7. Vinicius Jr
8. Griezmann
9. Wirtz
10. Saka

In my opinion, there is still time to determine this season's winner of the trophy. However, with Foden and Haaland already out of the Champions League getting disqualified by Bellingham's teammates, and Mbappé who sits at third place in the list, also passing to the semi-finals and scoring two goals against Barcelona, it's more likely that Bellingham and Mbappé have better chances for the trophy this year.
Although upcoming events may influence these players performances either positively or negatively, it’s likely that the winner of Champions League may have more chances for it.

News link: goal.com

We have outstanding young players that's playing their best to ensure they grabbing good stats in major tournaments but unluckily for them, some favorable elite teams have been eliminated and most of the leading players on the lists are playing for this clubs. With the absence of Manchester City from the UEFA Champions League, that officially means Erling Haaland, Phil Foden and Rodri are out, we only have Harry Kane, Vinicius Junior, Jude Bellingham and Kylian Mbappe that will become rivals for the title run. I'm hoping to see Real Madrid vs Paris Saint-Germain in the UCL final this season. Ballon d'Or is an important award and entitlement for brilliant players.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on April 20, 2024, 08:30:23 AM

Recently Goal.com released news regarding the rankings of potential players who might be selected for the upcoming Ballon d'Or 2024 and ranked 20 players, reminder as this event will take appart in October 28th, 2024. Here's the list of the top 10 players:

1. Bellingham
2. Foden
3. Mbappé
4. Haaland
5. Rodri
6. Kane
7. Vinicius Jr
8. Griezmann
9. Wirtz
10. Saka

In my opinion, there is still time to determine this season's winner of the trophy. However, with Foden and Haaland already out of the Champions League getting disqualified by Bellingham's teammates, and Mbappé who sits at third place in the list, also passing to the semi-finals and scoring two goals against Barcelona, it's more likely that Bellingham and Mbappé have better chances for the trophy this year.
Although upcoming events may influence these players performances either positively or negatively, it’s likely that the winner of Champions League may have more chances for it.

News link: goal.com

It seems to me that Mbappe will receive the award, but not because he deserves it, but because in a pair of Haaland and Foden/Rodri + Vinny and Bellingham, the players will take points from each other.
The only thing that can change this situation is if Bellingham or Vinny show something outstanding at the end of the season.
However, there is also Euro 2024, there are also chances to show off there.

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Recently Goal.com released news regarding the rankings of potential players who might be selected for the upcoming Ballon d'Or 2024 and ranked 20 players, reminder as this event will take appart in October 28th, 2024. Here's the list of the top 10 players:

1. Bellingham
2. Foden
3. Mbappé
4. Haaland
5. Rodri
6. Kane
7. Vinicius Jr
8. Griezmann
9. Wirtz
10. Saka

In my opinion, there is still time to determine this season's winner of the trophy. However, with Foden and Haaland already out of the Champions League getting disqualified by Bellingham's teammates, and Mbappé who sits at third place in the list, also passing to the semi-finals and scoring two goals against Barcelona, it's more likely that Bellingham and Mbappé have better chances for the trophy this year.
Although upcoming events may influence these players performances either positively or negatively, it’s likely that the winner of Champions League may have more chances for it.

News link: goal.com

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Quote from: Hirose UK on January 21, 2024, 10:33:16 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 20, 2024, 11:31:20 AM

Dsports reports that Messi and Di Maria will take part in the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris
https://www.directvsports.com/futbol/Exclusivo-Messi-y-Di-Maria-quieren-jugar-los-Juegos-Olimpicos-y-AFA-afina-el-plan-para-que-que-esten-en-Paris-20240119-0020.html

Looks like I know who will win the Ballon d'Or next year Roll Eyes

I wonder if almost 40-year-old men are not ashamed to go to a youth team competition? I know that there is an age limit but several players above this limit can be of any age, but what a shame it is. If Messi wants to prove something, maybe it would be easier to return to Europe and play? But no, he chooses some shameful ways to support the PR of his brand.

Hahaha everything will feel very easy for Messi because he is like golden boy by FIFA and Messi will be able to achieve what he wants even though that may be topic of conversation for many football fans.
But this will be different for Messi fans and they will still consider Messi as the best and Messi as the greatest star of all the existing players.
If he really takes part in the competition then it can be confirmed that there is another goal and of course this is about his name and career as football player, for some reason there are players who are full of protection from the top football federation officials.

It just that I not really sure whether he can get the Ballon d'Or in the future because the last award yesterday has caused negative sentiment and if that happens again then we will know what football fans are talking about and thinking about.

It looks like the PR people will be riding this dead horse for a long time - the America's Cup is ahead, plus, as we now know, the Olympics, so next year we can again give all the awards to Messi (if Argentina's performance is at least not terrible). Then in the USA they will invent, in addition to the League Cup, some other fucking tournament of third-rate teams and it will be possible to hold out until 2026 and the World Cup in America. Probably the medium-term goal is exactly this - for the largest competition you need great PR, and Messi, in whose PR FIFA has invested for decades, is ideal for this.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 20, 2024, 11:31:20 AM

Dsports reports that Messi and Di Maria will take part in the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris
https://www.directvsports.com/futbol/Exclusivo-Messi-y-Di-Maria-quieren-jugar-los-Juegos-Olimpicos-y-AFA-afina-el-plan-para-que-que-esten-en-Paris-20240119-0020.html

Looks like I know who will win the Ballon d'Or next year Roll Eyes

I wonder if almost 40-year-old men are not ashamed to go to a youth team competition? I know that there is an age limit but several players above this limit can be of any age, but what a shame it is. If Messi wants to prove something, maybe it would be easier to return to Europe and play? But no, he chooses some shameful ways to support the PR of his brand.

Hahaha everything will feel very easy for Messi because he is like golden boy by FIFA and Messi will be able to achieve what he wants even though that may be topic of conversation for many football fans.
But this will be different for Messi fans and they will still consider Messi as the best and Messi as the greatest star of all the existing players.
If he really takes part in the competition then it can be confirmed that there is another goal and of course this is about his name and career as football player, for some reason there are players who are full of protection from the top football federation officials.

It just that I not really sure whether he can get the Ballon d'Or in the future because the last award yesterday has caused negative sentiment and if that happens again then we will know what football fans are talking about and thinking about.

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Dsports reports that Messi and Di Maria will take part in the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris
https://www.directvsports.com/futbol/Exclusivo-Messi-y-Di-Maria-quieren-jugar-los-Juegos-Olimpicos-y-AFA-afina-el-plan-para-que-que-esten-en-Paris-20240119-0020.html

Looks like I know who will win the Ballon d'Or next year Roll Eyes

I wonder if almost 40-year-old men are not ashamed to go to a youth team competition? I know that there is an age limit but several players above this limit can be of any age, but what a shame it is. If Messi wants to prove something, maybe it would be easier to return to Europe and play? But no, he chooses some shameful ways to support the PR of his brand.

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The clownery continues! Grin

Winners from Best FIFA Football Awards 2023
The Best FIFA Men's Player - Lionel Messi
https://www.90min.com/posts/the-best-fifa-football-awards-2023-full-winners-list

Seriously? It seems that when he retires, they will create a new nomination “the best among pensioners” and will award it to him every year. What makes what happened especially poignant is the fact that, according to leaks, Haaland was supposed to win, so Messi didn’t even come to the ceremony, and when the winner was announced it was very awkward.
What a shameful, pathetic circus. There is a feeling that this clownery will continue until 2027 (in 2026 they will hold the World Cup and finally bury this PR story that everyone is already tired of).

It’s laughable. I don’t see how Messi who is playing in Inter Miami could win the award. Lionel Messi did not merit the award and was given based on sentiment. I don’t want to shout robbery but what did Messi achieve within the timeline (19th Dec 2022 - 20th August 2023) under review that makes him merit the award ahead of Erling Haaland and Kylian Mbappe? FIFA should rename the awards to football popularity contest because that is what it is.

The award is given for a year (as the name suggests) and here even more questions arise - a significant part of the time, while Mbappe, Haaland, Bellingham, etc. showed themselves in the game Messi was lying on the beach as Inter Miami flew past the playoffs.
I see from social networks and forums that everyone took this indifferently (ignored) or with irritation. It seems everyone is just used to it and doesn’t really want to discuss these PR perversions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 16, 2024, 08:54:00 AM

The clownery continues! Grin

Winners from Best FIFA Football Awards 2023
The Best FIFA Men's Player - Lionel Messi
https://www.90min.com/posts/the-best-fifa-football-awards-2023-full-winners-list

Seriously? It seems that when he retires, they will create a new nomination “the best among pensioners” and will award it to him every year. What makes what happened especially poignant is the fact that, according to leaks, Haaland was supposed to win, so Messi didn’t even come to the ceremony, and when the winner was announced it was very awkward.
What a shameful, pathetic circus. There is a feeling that this clownery will continue until 2027 (in 2026 they will hold the World Cup and finally bury this PR story that everyone is already tired of).

It’s laughable. I don’t see how Messi who is playing in Inter Miami could win the award. Lionel Messi did not merit the award and was given based on sentiment. I don’t want to shout robbery but what did Messi achieve within the timeline (19th Dec 2022 - 20th August 2023) under review that makes him merit the award ahead of Erling Haaland and Kylian Mbappe? FIFA should rename the awards to football popularity contest because that is what it is.

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The clownery continues! Grin

Winners from Best FIFA Football Awards 2023
The Best FIFA Men's Player - Lionel Messi
https://www.90min.com/posts/the-best-fifa-football-awards-2023-full-winners-list

Seriously? It seems that when he retires, they will create a new nomination “the best among pensioners” and will award it to him every year. What makes what happened especially poignant is the fact that, according to leaks, Haaland was supposed to win, so Messi didn’t even come to the ceremony, and when the winner was announced it was very awkward.
What a shameful, pathetic circus. There is a feeling that this clownery will continue until 2027 (in 2026 they will hold the World Cup and finally bury this PR story that everyone is already tired of).

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 15, 2023, 12:43:52 AM

I'm 100% sure he will be included in the next nominations, the only way to see Messi not include into nomination is he reject it or he officially retire from football.

Regarding if he win or not, that's a different discussions since it will depend on how much he can bribe FIFA.

I guess if Inter Miami become a champion in the next season, he will win Ballon d'Or. Tongue

I look forward to your predictions, LOL. But it's interesting. There is a possibility that Messi will still be nominated next season. I don't know if he really bribed FIFA or because Messi has good connections, but I hope that Messi also has a good end to his career. It's very unpleasant when a Legend player who once created the world's best rivalry has to end badly just because of the Ballon D'Or.

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It's funny how yesterday Messi grabbed his opponent by the throat in the Argentina - Uruguay game, but didn't even get a yellow card Grin

And I was also surprised by his hypocrisy when, after a lost game, he said that the Uruguay national team player should respect elders and learn good manners. Lord, this is coming from the one who attacked Louis Van Gaal and the one who “didn’t notice” how Martinez behaved towards his opponents?
It seems that at the end of his career he really went crazy and believed that he deserved his Ballon d'Ors and was not just a product of PR.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 14, 2023, 11:40:37 PM

Therefore I think that if next year Messi should no longer be included in the nominations, or at least be in the top 10 then that won't be a problem. I'm excited to see young players get the Ballon D'Or. I think it's time for Messi and Ronaldo to enjoy the end of their careers. It would be funny if Messi, who plays in MLS, is in the top 3 of the Ballon D'Or next season.

I'm 100% sure he will be included in the next nominations, the only way to see Messi not include into nomination is he reject it or he officially retire from football.

Regarding if he win or not, that's a different discussions since it will depend on how much he can bribe FIFA.

I guess if Inter Miami become a champion in the next season, he will win Ballon d'Or. Tongue

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 13, 2023, 05:54:41 AM

The whole problem is that most people think in retrospect, looking at Messi’s past achievements (given the level of PR, naturally he is stronger here than Haaland) instead of simply looking at what the prize is given for - for the season. If we put aside PR and corruption, then Messi probably wouldn’t even be in the top 5, and Haaland would have won the Ballon d'Or without any problems, maybe there would only be a Haaland vs. Mbappe debate.

Therefore I think that if next year Messi should no longer be included in the nominations, or at least be in the top 10 then that won't be a problem. I'm excited to see young players get the Ballon D'Or. I think it's time for Messi and Ronaldo to enjoy the end of their careers. It would be funny if Messi, who plays in MLS, is in the top 3 of the Ballon D'Or next season.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 13, 2023, 05:54:41 AM

The whole problem is that most people think in retrospect, looking at Messi’s past achievements (given the level of PR, naturally he is stronger here than Haaland) instead of simply looking at what the prize is given for - for the season. If we put aside PR and corruption, then Messi probably wouldn’t even be in the top 5, and Haaland would have won the Ballon d'Or without any problems, maybe there would only be a Haaland vs. Mbappe debate.

Let's see when the next world cup is and whose Balon D'or will be awarded. At the moment it may indeed be Messi winning the World Cup but not with club achievements. Messi is bad at the club. He didn't have any great achievements at the club. There should be a lot of consideration, not just the World Cup.

We'll see, if a decision changes then I don't think it's necessary to give the title of best player. This means that FIFA has a double standard in the selection of the best players. In the end, this will be a fan debate that has no end.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 13, 2023, 04:54:40 AM

They are both difficult choices. I think Haaland deserves the Ballon D'Or. But I also think that Messi with all his achievements in that season could indeed be said to be one of Messi's best seasons as a football player. He got the world cup and won the league. Even though he doesn't have the goal productivity of Haaland, I think this year could be Messi's last Ballon D'Or before retiring, and we will be prepared to look forward to a new face at the Ballon D'Or next year.

The whole problem is that most people think in retrospect, looking at Messi’s past achievements (given the level of PR, naturally he is stronger here than Haaland) instead of simply looking at what the prize is given for - for the season. If we put aside PR and corruption, then Messi probably wouldn’t even be in the top 5, and Haaland would have won the Ballon d'Or without any problems, maybe there would only be a Haaland vs. Mbappe debate.

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Quote from: beerlover on November 04, 2023, 04:40:05 PM

I understand Haaland, there is nothing wrong with saying Haaland deserved it, but while Messi was out there getting the world cup and leading the assists and winning ligue 1, Haaland was not scoring a single goal on 7 finals/semi-finals games where his team scored 12 goals. On all those games, his team had to score without him, and Messi was the one that brought his team the league title and world cup title when he played and scored in all those games as well. That is much better.

They are both difficult choices. I think Haaland deserves the Ballon D'Or. But I also think that Messi with all his achievements in that season could indeed be said to be one of Messi's best seasons as a football player. He got the world cup and won the league. Even though he doesn't have the goal productivity of Haaland, I think this year could be Messi's last Ballon D'Or before retiring, and we will be prepared to look forward to a new face at the Ballon D'Or next year.

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Quote from: boltz on November 04, 2023, 08:48:36 AM

With all due respect for Messi , I think Haaland should have take this one because it's been almost a decade since young players no matter what they achieve and they do on the pitch , they cannot beat Messi at all and this year even if he won WC , he had no other achievements besides that as he had a poor season in Ligue 1 and then he made a very low transfer to Miami so I think it's fair to say Haaland was twice the man for Ballon D'or than Messi was this year. Cool

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He should also slice that Ballon D'or in half and give the other half to Martinez because without his leg , Argentina would have clearly lost the final.

I wouldn't say he had a poor season at ligue 1? I mean he was the assist leader of the league, that is saying something and he had 16 goals as well, he had as much contribution to the team that won Ligue 1 as Mbappe, AND he won the world cup on top of that.

I understand Haaland, there is nothing wrong with saying Haaland deserved it, but while Messi was out there getting the world cup and leading the assists and winning ligue 1, Haaland was not scoring a single goal on 7 finals/semi-finals games where his team scored 12 goals. On all those games, his team had to score without him, and Messi was the one that brought his team the league title and world cup title when he played and scored in all those games as well. That is much better.

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Quote from: un_rank on November 04, 2023, 10:57:03 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 04:59:49 PM

Stop lying, I’m not writing about one year (or tournament) when everything can be attributed to randomness.

This is where you mixed it up;

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 11:01:49 AM

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did.

You mentioned different years, but was talking about the exact same year.

You are pretending to be blind (after all, you cannot dispute the facts) but it is not difficult for me to repeat:

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 04:59:49 PM

There is a whole period from 2008-2012 when Xavi and Iniesta achieved their greatest achievement - two European Champion titles in a row and a World Cup. Can you name teams that achieved the same? This is the real magic and legendary achievement and breaking of records.

At the same time, Messi failed at the World Cup and was an ordinary player at the America's Cup, you can come up with different excuses but these are simple facts.
Thus, during this period, both Xavi and Iniesta were 1000 times better than Messi, but they received zero Ballon d'Or, and he received 4 Grin

You can ignore the facts for as long as you like, but they won't go away.

Quote from: un_rank on November 04, 2023, 10:57:03 AM

The rest of your argument is just you sharing your personal opinion and trolling, so no need pursuing the argument with someone who is not objective.

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You have nothing to object to since I provided specific figures and facts, so you simply ignore them and try to declare trolling. But this is even good - it means that if we talk about facts, then you agree with me, but no one cares about your emotions (incredible love for Messi).

Quote from: Slow death on November 04, 2023, 12:41:28 PM

~ If Messi continued playing in Europe and in a great team it would easily be visible how he is a great player and deserves this award~

Great joke. Playing in the Farm League in a dominant club, Messi failed the first season, was at an average level in the second season and completely failed in the Champions League (two eliminations at the 1/8 stage with 0+0). Hmm... this is not the kind of “help” the sheikhs were expecting when they invited “the best player in the world who makes a difference.” Although, on the other hand, the difference is obvious: without Messi, PSG has the semi-finals and final of the Champions League, and with Messi another shameful defeat from Bayern (Messi brought this from Barcelona) and two years in a row relegation in the 1/8.

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