Topic: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds (Read 3824 times)

I must say I like the way you composed yourself, you are constructive enough and it's the right thing to say to call a sentimnetal person to see things in a neutral way. But I tell you that I am not sentimental about this, and the main reason is that neither Vinicius Junior nor Rodrigo is my ardent guy, so I see no reason to be extreme on this. That's my judgment and it's evident in the wide outcry.

I don't judge that way and I will even zero my mind next year, FIFA is more political than you think.

That's not true. The Ballon d'Or is not awarded based on a player's attitude on the pitch. Christiano Ronaldo would have never won any Ballon d'Or if that were the case. Ronaldo in Real Madrid was more intense on the pitch than Vinicius Junior. I don't like the narrative that Vini was robbed because of his race, attitude on field or his stance against racism.

Yes, that was me. A couple things changed under my nose, in a very little period of time and I don't even know about it... I just had to look this up and then, I realized we ain't dealing with the old rules anymore... You're right, this is 2024. sadly, the end of a great era for two.

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Meanwhile, I also read somewhere on the Internet about the reasons as to why vini was denied and whooped in the ass, even after being nominated and appointed.... They said it was due to his arrogance and improper reactions during game play.. Also, that he faked his injuries to escape international performances which I find it hard to believe.
Edit: I'm black, but(if just anyone was allowed) I wouldn't vouch for vinicius as one of criterias of winning the ballon d'or is being rated as a player with a decisive and impressive character... Remember Mario Balotelli? .. exactly! Regardless, Rodri still has a better stat.

Why Lautaro winning the world cup matter here in 2024 Ballon D Or?

The last time I checked, we're all entitled to our own views in here right? So no, I don't watch football games.. I just formulate a series from those matches, make EXACT descriptions (even without watching... Let's assume that's even possible). The ballon d'or selection was made in accordance (as always) through every player's performance and trophy listings; international trophies, individual trophies, and team or league trophies as well.. we all had high hopes that vini would bag that cute ball, precisely covered in 5 kilograms 18-carats of gold this time around, but what happened?? It ended up with someone else... Did anyone expect that?

Then, we get a whole lot of sidetalk plus ( the fact that vini's team mates weren't allowed to grace the occasion). That obviously was a reaction to show disgust and insubordination... But, did that change the results?? Seems it's a YOU problem by not understanding that the trophy wasn't gonna go to some player because someone typical made a post in here that says so... This is a discussion thread, my friend.

The part of my post you highlighted was a typo, I meant to type “subjective”. You seem to forget that Rodri is a defensive midfielder. He lost only one game the whole year and was instrumental in the success of both Manchester City and Spain winning. Rodri had a better international performance than Vinicius Junior.

In their opinion Modrić has brought more value to their teams not so much by his performance but tactically. Although it seems to me that all these experts don't watch Rodri play, even post facto when the golden ball was awarded they didn't bother to do so. Everyone just expected to see Vinicius with the golden ball for his prolific performance

Personally I would have had Vini Jr. winning it. Rodri could have been the season becore when Man City had won the treble and he scored the winner in the CL final against Inter.

I kinda feel that Vini Jr. was robbed but I’m sure he will win it in the future.

Vinicius won more trophies and had a better season than Rodri, Rodri’s performance was not even noticeable in the premier league, he couldn’t make the premier league team of the season and even the champions league team of the season and just because they won the Euro other competitions doesn’t matter anymore.

The Organizers are the ones spoiling the award because every year their seem to be a different criteria to win the Award because before they consider players with more goals and more trophies but now seems to be different.

In terms of attitude i know Vinicius have attitude problems but there are other players that had a better season than Rodri look at Bellingham for example and also Carvajal who won every trophy and also won the Euros too and he doesn’t have an attitude problem.

The award is no longer the Ballon d'or, it is the Ballon as we know it.
What kind of thing did my friend Van Dijk do to get the award? If it were me, I wouldn't give it to him either.
Maybe Salah, but Van Dijk is a long shot for me.
For now, Rodri took it, but it did not give me a satisfactory result.
How does Real Madrid know the result and does not send its player for reaction.
This is also a strange situation.

The same way you are feeling that Vini should have won is the same way I felt that Rodri is the right player to win the award. Sometimes as humans when things don't go our way we begin to look at human errors. If Vini had won and I come out here to say that there is corruption in FIFA, you would have countered me for saying that. As long as things don't go our way, there will always be pointing fingers at the leadership. Maybe next year when your preferred candidate win the award you will now say the opposite that there is no more corruption in those leadership positions right? Just take the fact that things can't always go the way you expected them to be and stop the corruption accusations. Tomorrow you will hold position and irrespective of other peoples opinions, you will still do the right thing. Even if that right thing you did may seems to be wrong in the eyes of others. And that's what exactly played out in this year award.

No.

There were even more controversial Balon D'ors.

Like the one where Lewandowski was supposed to receive it in 2020 but they canceled the ceremony due to Covid-19 and didn't even give him the award later.

That is the only one that immediately comes to my mind, but as a Liverpool fan I also feel hard done by Messi winning it over Van Dijk in 2019 (but I am being biased here).

Real Madrid needs to stop whining about it and move on.

It’s disappointing that Real Madrid did not attend the Ballon d’Or ceremony. I believe this is the first time Real Madrid has failed to attend such an event, and their reasons are obvious, they anticipated that their star player, Vinicius Junior, would not win the award.

Vinicius Junior is a world class player and this setback does not define his career. This is not the first time the  Ballon d’Or was given to the second best or third best. Barcelona and Messi fans will not accept that the Ballon d’Or has lost its credibility because then the Balon D'or can no longer be relevant in Messi-Ronaldo debates.

I have always known that FIFA is political, so long as it is human beings judging there, there will always be human factors, not even under this current leadership, it is too obvious. All these may not be visible to many, but to those who can think things through, they would know that some things are not just fair but power and preferences will always take it's cause.

I have nothing against Rodrigo, he is a good player and at 28 years, I congratulate him to win his first Ballon d'Or and I also like it when it is not a striker who won, it shows more visibility and wider search. At the same time, it seems to me that the better person to win is Vinicius Junior, it must be painful for him. But still finishing as a first runner up is not so bad, he should only continue this way, he has enough ahead of him.

What's even funnier about all these is the fact that Vinicius legit does not deserve the award. We all watched football last season, we saw how each player performed. people are fooled by the fact that Vini was exciting against Man City, Bayern and Dortmund in the later stages of the UCL. You can't win the ballon dor because of your performance in just 5 or 6 matches, it's just wrong.
Bellingham was the Madrid player that should have won the award, but Madrid forgot about him and pushed Vini because of those performances.

From the beginning of the season till the end of March, Vini was having a regular season. He was injured and he came back and was just a usual player. In the top 5 ranking of the Ballon dor that Madrid newspaper published, Bellingham was leading the race. He was consistent all season, saving Madrid time and again till those final matches in the UCL.

The season ended and they both went to their various national teams and Vini was beyond awful for Brazil. You had wingers like Raphina and Rodrygo outshining him so much. He had only one good game in the Tournament. Bellingham on the other hand led his team to the final of the Euro.
I can say that Rodri had a better season than Bellignham, but I would respect the opinion of a person who believes Bellignham had a better season, but Vinicius shouldn't be in the top 2.
In fact, if we're being honest and fair, Lautaro Martinez had a better season than all of Rodri, Vini and Bellingham. Madrid and Vini need to stop the whining and move on.

Rodri is that player I will advice youngins to watch for Real. He has been effective for both Manchester City and Spainish national team, he's also worthy of the Ballon d'Or but I believe Uefa and the major organisers should have left whatever fight they had with Real Madrid and awarded Vinicius Jr.  The Ballon d'Or became biased ever since they refused awarding sniedjer when he should have merited it. There's nothing more to cry about bit things like this either motivates a player or break them down. It's what it is right now, hopefully Vini wins it in the future.

According to your statement I made bold, it all boils down to their entitlement mentality, they always feels like the award is meant for their players only, and now that it doesn't goes their way, they are just busy whining and crying, while trying to discredit the award more than it is right now.


And these particular picture posted by my other colleagues says it all, to them it was very deserving when Luka modric won it in 2018 in stead of cristiano Ronaldo, now it doesn't goes their way, they are just busy whining.

No one expected that Rodri would be the player who could bring the Ballon d'Or trophy for 2024 and of course there was lot of disappointment that even caused lot of negative discussions regarding the selection of the winner, but all of this is useless because in reality Rodri is still the winner.
By the way, this is the same as the 2018 Ballon d'Or award ceremony, maybe we will be able to see some oddities and also similarities in the resolution in selecting the winner.

Real Madrid attitude is too excessive with claims from one party without looking further that there are still other players who are most deserving of winning the Ballon D'or. Compared to Vinicius, Lautaro is more deserving of determining the award, based on statistics he is superior because he has contributed greatly to the club and country.
Lautaro achievements with Inter and Argentina:
35 goals
8 assists
Scudetto
Italian Super Cup
Copa America
Seria A Golden Boot
Serie A Most Valuable Player
Copa America Golden Boot

Now Real Madrid and Vini cannot accept the reality, they think that the organizers are unfair because they have robbed the Ballon D'or from Vinicius, when in fact it is not like that, the presence of his colleague in the top five list makes it difficult for journalists to decide between Vinicius, Bellingham and Carvajal.

The clear answer is it's not objective. There are no ranking where points add up where your achievements gives you points. The nomination on the other hand is merit based.
They do make a ranking based on players performance to list nomination but the winner is determined by voting from various sports journalist, one from each nation that provide a list of 5 of their favourite which gets 6 to 1 points depending on the ranking order. The player that gets the most vote wins. It's like reality shows, where the mass favourite or the one who pays wins.