Topic: BC.Game SCAM: cancelled bonuses and revoked $150k+ USD balance on my account - page 2. (Read 1303 times)

The BC.Game statistics page is very badly done. It summarizes the bets together in a very weird format and doesn't include all of the bets (instead of grouping all the bets in the same crypto into one number, it shows chunks of bet totals in various sizes, so you will see both tiny and huge sizes in the same crypto). You will see smaller bets on other high rollers' profiles as well if you check them. Just go to the daily leaderboard page and click on anyone and you will see the same thing: https://bc.game/exclusive/daily-contest. It's also not in chronological order as you have hinted. Ask anyone who has played on BC.Game and paid attention to the statistics page, they will tell you the same thing.

I have shown some of the bigger bets I have done in stable coins here before (50k+ and 100k+ bets). Here they are again:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/27/NZaY9.png
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/27/NZuAa.png

And also bigger deposits I have done in normal cryptos (note these are before I started to deposit any Azuki) :
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/27/NZX8N.png
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/27/NZS2l.png

There is no reason to doubt my legitimacy as a high roller. I have bet tens of millions of dollars on many other sites, not just BC.Game, and as a high roller myself who have also talked to numerous other high rollers some of which have wagered close to a billion, we do care about VIP levels and rewards. Of course this depends on your definition of a "high roller", but I highly doubt most of the "high rollers" you have talked to wager nearly as much. As for your hypothesis, all I can say is you can't base it on the bet summary page of varying bet sizes on BC.Game because it's done very poorly.

That being said, I am not surprised at the rulings by the arbitrators. Any online crypto casino puts in their ToS they can revoke any bonus amounts for any reason. This is essentially what they did. If you deposit 100k into a casino, wager say 20 million, get 100k in bonuses, and end up with the same 100k balance, the casino can technically deduct your whole balance for any reason and not violate their own ToS because it's technically a bonus. It's all up to the casino in the end even though you might have never wagered the way you did had it not been for the bonuses. I just want everyone to be aware of that.

Hi, I guess with OP's case being ruled by BC as invalid and they agree BC has the full right to void OP's winning, all of the cases in my previous summary is resolved. I'm attaching the updated summary at the bottom of this post, and I think it'll the end of this "phase", if there's another batch of situation, I'll make a new summary [given updating them means I'll also update other summaries I made on other threads, and that's... driving me toward insanity, LOL]

My insight for this case, I think there are some discrepancies with OP's narrative. Some are hinted on my posts on this thread, but to mention some more: OP said he's a high roller, but his betting history from page 10 to 3 [the order was from the oldest to newest] shows a rather small value. He's also put some interest in advancing his level by wagering some NFT he had lying around, though it is not a sure thing, I rarely encountered a high roller who mind much about their rank in a sense that they deliberately trying to raise it by wagering on low. Not necessarily conclusive, anyone can do whatever they want and they have their own preferred activity, but I just find them... odd.

Interestingly, his bets only increases with the lastest the mAzuki [page 1], as shown somewhere on this thread. His bets on page 2 were mostly 4 digits, and jumped to 6 digits with mAzuki, I think it's quite plausible to amuse an argument that he noticed the difference in value, thus depositing more Azuki to reap benefits from price difference, in charge-back bonus.

While for vainica's case, I am currently overseeing that one as well, but I think it'll be wise to wait until the dust settle before we can make any conclusion. The most recent situation suddenly brought too many parties, one claiming this, only to be rebutted by other saying that, then another come with different accusation, and then silence. I think it'll be best to wait until anyone make a move before we can learn about what truly happen with vainica's case.

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Ahh... with several consideration, I am removing the neutral feedback as well.

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Since a third-party arbitrator has denied OP's claims and the casino has resolved all other open cases that holydarkness linked to previously, I am removing my negative tag from BC.Game.
BitcoinGirl.Club mentioned a new case, but I haven't looked into it. My negative feedback is, thus, irrelevant at the moment so I am deleting it.

@holydarkness, I see all other cases were solved except the OP's one. Any development you have in mind?  I have not followed the progress for last a week because I was having a break.
I received a PM to check a new case too. I am considering to remove the tag I left but before I do I would like to take some more time to ensure everything is in the right order.

BC.Game Support, thank you for messaging me about removing the tag I left.

We've thoroughly investigated the matter, providing comprehensive bet and transaction histories to Casino.Guru for their review.

Casino.Guru's investigation led to the rejection of the case (Here) after a thorough review of the provided bet history and transaction records, determining invalidity of this case.

Casino.Guru have found the actions taken by us to be within our terms of service and also general ethical grounds.

Thank you for your understanding and patience throughout this process.

Of course I was seeing when my VIP levels increased and such, but I am a gambler not a mathematician. I did not calculate to the dot how much progress I would make. I just wagered it on auto and got however many levels I could.

As for your second question, there are two things. First, gambling it on BC.Game was a way to liquidate them just at a lower value (didn't know about the price discrepancy at the time) since you get bonuses when you wager, and since I wanted to advance my VIP level at the same time I figured I would just put it on auto on BC.Game. This was of course without knowing BC.Game would cancel my bonuses and lock my account. Secondly, without trying to sound rude, 500k is barely a significant amount of money for me. To that you might ask why then am I wasting time chasing 150k in this case. For me, it's not the amount in question but the fact I got scammed. I don't like getting scammed. I would be doing the same thing if it were 15k or 1.5k or even 150. Again, without trying to sound rude, imagine a normal maybe slightly wealthy gambler depositing a few grand in NFTs to wager it thinking he would get some back at least in bonuses and also advance his VIP levels. You wouldn't bat an eye would you? That's the equivalent for me.

I notice you have a tendency to exaggerate claims and twist facts. This does not help your case at all and only cements the status of your team here at BCT as a PR/marketing stunt by BC.Game so people can go "Wow, look at BC.Game solving all these cases!", when as a lot of people have suspected you likely have only solved the public cases (and only smaller ones at that; mine is completely unresolved whereas dplay's is only partially resolved) here and probably ignored all the private cases we don't know about.

Here is a list of things you have either exaggerated or made "preposterous claims" as you say:
- I clearly remember starting to deposit Azukis in mid October and getting my account locked in end of October. So this means it was only half a month or less and not a whole month as you claim.
- You repeatedly claim I'm 550k in profit which I know for a fact is not true. Again, I wish I can prove this by showing my deposit/withdrawal history but your site only keeps activity for 60 days.
- Initially you threw around some numbers and claimed 99% of my wagers were in Azuki and in 1.01x, neither of which is true and has been disproven.
- When I showed my bigger bets (which were only in regular crypto), you realized I did in fact wager normally in regular cryptos and went on to claim that I gambled normally from bonus funds I received from wagering Azuki. This turned out to be a lie because the bets I showed were before I deposited any Azuki at all.  
- You threatened to pursue legal actions and claimed you had legal grounds when you clearly don't and won't do anything legally. I have seen you make similar threats in the past in other cases (was an old post by a guy named Oinker or something). This was probably an attempt to scare the player so they give up on their case.
- You claimed I continued to make low risk bets after receiving a warning. This is again a lie. As I showed in my screenshots with my host, I followed your instructions clearly and instead still got punished.

Ok, umm... two things, if I may be frank;

One, you told us that you're trying to advance your level, and here --again-- as quoted above, that you want to see how far certain assets takes you in VIP progession but you're not keeping track of that progress itself? How? Sorry, but I find both statements to be a bit contradictory.

Second, you have 500,000 worth of assets lying around that you want to get rid off? Not liquidate, not trying to make some profit out of them, you buy them and then one day you want to get rid of them, thus sending them to your BC account with full intention to lose them? 500,000 USD?

It's preposterous that you claim that you haven't noticed how fast your VIP level has progressed for the entirety of a month's duration.

The information was shared to them privately, what's visible to the public is only the comments.

I am aware of the price of Azuki, but I always gamble in the units of the crypto or NFT itself, not USD. The first time I switched to USD was to take the screenshots for this case.

That being said, I never really paid attention to how fast my VIP progression went or did the math on how much in bonuses I would accrue. It was more along the line of I got these NFTs lying around that I want to get rid off. Let me deposit them into BC.Game and put it on auto on originals games and see how far it takes me in VIP progression.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Have you shared this information and proof with the Casino Guru team? I know you said you did, but in the thread (https://casinoguru-en.com/bc-game-casino-player-s-withdrawal-is-delayed-and), your reply is still being awaited, and the countdown shows a little under two days remaining. Maybe their specialist, Peter still hasn't taken a look at the data to update the topic and confirm that you sent the proof that they requested. 

VIP and wager progression are always calculated at USD value, you are correct. The user also has the ability to set their balance view to USD, to keep track of their balance's USD value.

OP, this has been bugging me since the first time you mentioned it [yes, some of us actually read and make note]. If you don't mind to chase my train of thought:

Since you deposited Azuki into your BC account, it'll imply that you owned them elsewhere, which means you bought them elsewhere, which means, you'll have a rough knowledge of their price. Doesn't have to be precise as you doesn't necessarily have to follow its price movement, but I think it's safe to assume you have a rough knowledge of its price, especially as you owned an asset that equal to 500,000 USD of it, much like if we suppose I hold 1 ETH, though I didn't chech them periodically, I'll know that when it reached 10,000 USD, it's been multiplied many folds.

Based on BC's explanation, I understand that you're accused of bonus abuse with Azuki NFT, where they made a 3.2 price difference, which you claimed you're not aware of it, the price difference. But, isn't it quite unlikely to go unnoticed? That from every bets you did with Azuki, you earned a lot of BCD [which, last I check, equals to 1 USD] more than you should have earned if the rate they have is roughly the same with the rate when you bought them.

Not only that, you also said that,


Shouldn't it be hard to go unnoticed too, especially for someone who wager specifically to advance their level, that when they wager with certain currency, their progression goes a lot faster?

BC.Game Support, please clarify this: the progression of your member's VIP level are based on their wager, converted into USD? So suppose I gambled my Azuki and ETH, the progression of my level is dependant on the current rate of that Azuki and ETH? Or is it dependant majorly by other factor?

Actually, you were the one who threatened me first with "we have the legal grounds here to pursue you". You don't and won't. I also told you I currently won't either on my end because the amount in dispute is not worth my time + legal costs. I also have stated before I am not expecting to get my money back (but this does not mean I am giving up on my case), but you also can't prevent me from presenting facts and my side in this case so that other current and potential players are aware of this.

Again, we've acted within our terms of service, which you agree to when signing up on our website. We reserve the right to void bonuses for users who're taking advantage of them to abuse our system. You have no case here; you can continue to keep threatening us as you wish. 

I have wagered under many different multipliers, not just 1.01x and 1.02x. The 1.01x and 1.02x take up a larger portion of my wagers because I was using it to advance my VIP level, which as far as I am aware of is not disallowed on your site since you were and are still able to play 1.01x and 1.02x on your site. Again, I don't know why you keep claiming this, but I am not up $500,000 profit. You need to learn to read. Your total deposit and withdrawal numbers are either wrong or didn't include the Azukis I deposited which would add up to around 500k, which would make me only slightly in profit (the exact amount I'm unsure of because your site doesn't display activity past 60 days, otherwise I would have uploaded all my deposit and withdrawal history here). It's also ridiculous to think your actions are justified simply because I am not down in money. Lastly, funny you bring up about warning me. I was informed by my host not to play 1.01x and was told anything over 1.01x is fine. I followed your exact instructions and was instead faced with more punishment (bonuses cancelled and later account banned) a week later. I will link the conversation here again.

https://imgur.com/43ocbuJ
https://imgur.com/liV5WKO
https://imgur.com/pjuMOHY
https://imgur.com/t4HYhz7

You do not have the legal grounds to pursue me. Try if you want. You might think I am just another player, but I have enough financial assets and connections to hire just as good if not better lawyers than you. I have the legal grounds to pursue you but am choosing not to currently because the cost in legal fees and my time spent outweigh the eventual sum I will reclaim. You even admitted just now "the bug was your mistake".

• You weren't aware of the bug, and yet chose to wager only 1.01x and 1.02x to abuse the bug?
• You weren't aware of the bug and pocketed $500,000+ in bonuses?
• You weren't aware of the bug and continued to wager on low multipliers despite being warned?

None of what you say makes sense, I also fail to understand why you claim you've been punished when you've already profited $500,000+ off the bug.

We've provided the relevant information to the third party arbitrators already. We also have legal grounds here to pursue you for the funds you've profited by abusing us. We're choosing not to, simply out of kindness and acceptance that the bug was our mistake.

It is not a sign of abuse just because I wagered in Azuki when your site had an internal error. I wasn't aware of that and just wagered normally. Your site miscounted the wagers and is now choosing to retroactively punish me for it. It makes no sense from my perspective.

This is very self-explanatory, but I can go into further details for you.

OP created his account on August 31, 2023.



From the 31st of August to the time of the creation of this thread (8th of November), the peak Azuki floor price in dollar terms was $9,010 (data taken from CoinGecko).

OP had wagered 3,982,254.26 mAzuki, which translates to 3,982.25426 Azuki's (Can be viewed on his profile).
This equals 3,982.25426*$9010 = $35,880,110.8826.

As mentioned by the user @Mahdirakib above:

• His wager in non-NFT currencies amounts to around $7,000,000.
• His wager in Doodles amounts to around $4,800,000.

Summing up all this gives us a grand total of $47,680,111 wagered. So where's this other $80,000,000 the OP has wagered come from?

It's a clear case of abuse—a very self-explanatory one at that—but we've shared the information privately on the platforms where the complain has been raised only, simply due to our security policy.