Beastly can't you put up a PM or some types of communication from March, showing you asked the buyer to supply an address or informed the buyer the items were ready for delivery ? Basically anything to show you didn't ignore them from March onwards ??
Seems like if you can show that then their any body reading this will know the claims made against you are false...
Apologies if you already posted this up, hard to remember/keep track when the thread is 13 pages and just going round in circles :|
Topic: Beastlymac - scammed me for 3.1 btc - gridseeds group buy - page 8. (Read 17742 times)
so you are not going to pay for your errors?
( having btc/miners not responding to pms/emails within 4 months since 13.03.2014 )
ok so it is scam.
(i dont care about your secret private list or no shipping address or your large inbox or any other excuse, you had his stuff/money at march and you were ignoring customer till july)
if you want to retain tiny bit of your reputation please refund gridseeds value dated at 13.04.2014 or make private bid at your auction.
if you will not do this i will retain my signature within years, i will aslo create reddit thread about this scam and blog concerning you and your failed group buy.
2 btc loss is not great sum, but way you are going to resolve this and trust rating you put at my account is forcing me to do everything to warn miners, you are scammer, so people has to be warned.
I will also proceed to contact all customers you have scammed promising delivery date at 13.02, shipping months late used goods with missing components. I hope this activity will lead to fair court case, judge will decide if you have scammed anybody, if yes you will have to pay a lot of money.
( having btc/miners not responding to pms/emails within 4 months since 13.03.2014 )
ok so it is scam.
(i dont care about your secret private list or no shipping address or your large inbox or any other excuse, you had his stuff/money at march and you were ignoring customer till july)
if you want to retain tiny bit of your reputation please refund gridseeds value dated at 13.04.2014 or make private bid at your auction.
if you will not do this i will retain my signature within years, i will aslo create reddit thread about this scam and blog concerning you and your failed group buy.
2 btc loss is not great sum, but way you are going to resolve this and trust rating you put at my account is forcing me to do everything to warn miners, you are scammer, so people has to be warned.
I will also proceed to contact all customers you have scammed promising delivery date at 13.02, shipping months late used goods with missing components. I hope this activity will lead to fair court case, judge will decide if you have scammed anybody, if yes you will have to pay a lot of money.
bicknellski, so you are stating that due to large inbox of beastlymac he can get away with this scam?
good luck with your business then.
good luck with your business then.
Again something rather off topic as I don't see him having said that. I think Bicknellski along with others have just read through this thread and realised that I have tried to do everything I can to resolve this issue when all you have done is attempt to belittle me and other members of the community. You brother with get a refund for the single chip devices and he with get the proceeds from the auction of the 5 chip miners no more no less. After he has been sent the single chip device refund and the proceeds of the auction I will refrain from answering anymore questions in relation to this ordeal.
bicknellski, so you are stating that due to large inbox of beastlymac he can get away with this scam?
good luck with your business then.
good luck with your business then.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
this solution is not fair. beastlymac has been stating since 10.03.2014 that my brother didnt order anything.
so why my brother has to consume loss caused by beastlymac scammy communication?
holding miners within 4 months and not answering is not scam?
good luck with your business bicknellski if such resolution is fair for your customers
dont forget to apologize me, you said i am clown, fake brother, asshole.
gandalfg, your business partner know me and my brother personally.
bicknelski, way you have been defending your business partner from wasp is disgusting, put your relations at side and focus at real matter of this ugly scam.
The solution was that the miners were to be put onto auction, and the winning bid payment would go to your brother.
Could you please explain to users how this isn't fair?
It is not fair, becouse my brother could have his miners or refund at 13.03.2014
becouse of beastlymac way of communication (not responding to pms, emails) this case is proved scam.
beastlymac should return gridseeds value dated at 13.03.2014 - becouse he stopped respoding from that time having proof of payment.
Your brother didn't send a shipping address. By not sending a shipping address, he was instead put on a separate list. This caused confusion as to whether your brother had ordered the miners.
If your brother had actually sent it, he would not be on the other list and would've gotten his miners.
Beastlymac also has to deal with thousands of other PMs (according to him). If his inbox is that cluttered up, then it's very easy to miss some messages.
Your brother is getting a refund from the auction. That is the solution. Your brother didn't respond within 5 days of when the solution was suggested to suggest something else.
I still don't see the point of you continuing to denounce Beastlymac.
I know why...
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
this solution is not fair. beastlymac has been stating since 10.03.2014 that my brother didnt order anything.
so why my brother has to consume loss caused by beastlymac scammy communication?
holding miners within 4 months and not answering is not scam?
good luck with your business bicknellski if such resolution is fair for your customers
dont forget to apologize me, you said i am clown, fake brother, asshole.
gandalfg, your business partner know me and my brother personally.
bicknelski, way you have been defending your business partner from wasp is disgusting, put your relations at side and focus at real matter of this ugly scam.
The solution was that the miners were to be put onto auction, and the winning bid payment would go to your brother.
Could you please explain to users how this isn't fair?
It is not fair, becouse my brother could have his miners or refund at 13.03.2014
becouse of beastlymac way of communication (not responding to pms, emails) this case is proved scam.
beastlymac should return gridseeds value dated at 13.03.2014 - becouse he stopped respoding from that time having proof of payment.
Your brother didn't send a shipping address. By not sending a shipping address, he was instead put on a separate list. This caused confusion as to whether your brother had ordered the miners.
If your brother had actually sent it, he would not be on the other list and would've gotten his miners.
Beastlymac also has to deal with thousands of other PMs (according to him). If his inbox is that cluttered up, then it's very easy to miss some messages.
Your brother is getting a refund from the auction. That is the solution. Your brother didn't respond within 5 days of when the solution was suggested to suggest something else.
I still don't see the point of you continuing to denounce Beastlymac.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
this solution is not fair. beastlymac has been stating since 10.03.2014 that my brother didnt order anything.
so why my brother has to consume loss caused by beastlymac scammy communication?
holding miners within 4 months and not answering is not scam?
good luck with your business bicknellski if such resolution is fair for your customers
dont forget to apologize me, you said i am clown, fake brother, asshole.
gandalfg, your business partner know me and my brother personally.
bicknelski, way you have been defending your business partner from wasp is disgusting, put your relations at side and focus at real matter of this ugly scam.
The solution was that the miners were to be put onto auction, and the winning bid payment would go to your brother.
Could you please explain to users how this isn't fair?
It is not fair, becouse my brother could have his miners or refund at 13.03.2014
becouse of beastlymac way of communication (not responding to pms, emails) this case is proved scam.
beastlymac should return gridseeds value dated at 13.03.2014 - becouse he stopped respoding from that time having proof of payment.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
this solution is not fair. beastlymac has been stating since 10.03.2014 that my brother didnt order anything.
so why my brother has to consume loss caused by beastlymac scammy communication?
holding miners within 4 months and not answering is not scam?
good luck with your business bicknellski if such resolution is fair for your customers
dont forget to apologize me, you said i am clown, fake brother, asshole.
gandalfg, your business partner know me and my brother personally.
bicknelski, way you have been defending your business partner from wasp is disgusting, put your relations at side and focus at real matter of this ugly scam.
The solution was that the miners were to be put onto auction, and the winning bid payment would go to your brother.
Could you please explain to users how this isn't fair?
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
this solution is not fair. beastlymac has been stating since 10.03.2014 that my brother didnt order anything.
so why my brother has to consume loss caused by beastlymac scammy communication?
holding miners within 4 months and not answering is not scam?
good luck with your business bicknellski if such resolution is fair for your customers
dont forget to apologize me, you said i am clown, fake brother, asshole.
gandalfg, your business partner know me and my brother personally.
bicknelski, way you have been defending your business partner from wasp is disgusting, put your relations at side and focus at real matter of this ugly scam.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
Act like a child. Throw a hissy fit and take all his marbles and goes home sad.
Childish behaviour. There is a solution, been one for long while now and this guy doesn't want to take it. Be a warning to any sellers don't deal with this fool.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
Well, that was a problem for your brother.
However, your brother is still getting a refund from the auction.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
my brother responded before that he will not communicate via pm with beastlymac until case will be resolved.
beastlymac auction is his business it is not related to this case of steal.
He has even posted pics of your order. Live up to your word and provide shipping information and close this issue.
beastymac sent me few pms, that im not on his order list. and after 5 months he comes out with "private list". come on.
You are not going to honor your word then?
+1 Pretty much sums up this whole fiasco.
please apologize me for saying clown and fake brother.
gandalfg knows us both bersonally
whole fiasco is result of beastlymac mess and ignoring pms
he held his goods/btc within 4 months and keep ignoring my brother
this is scam
No, it started with the omission of the buyers shipping address. You shouldn't even be posting as you are not the buyer, you are not adding anything new.
curiousminer stated he would give the address once the items are ready to send, they are and have been. Give the shipping information as per your word, or is your word worthless? Might be time for me to do more searching around for this pattern from others on the forums and post up a scam accusation right back on these two for extortion.
There is obviously an attempt to game the seller with this sort of ploy. They have probably done this numerous times in the past with alt accounts. Suggest people do not deal with these people. Simple solution is for the customer to give the information and get his compensation and stop harassing people in the forums in this manner. Looks more like an attempt at extortion than honestly looking to find a resolution from the "brother". Time to do some research and maybe post a scam accusation right back at these two for extortion. Probably these "two", or more probably a single person, has done this many times already in these forums with multiple accounts. Untrustworthy is what this is plain and simple given there is a resolution that is FAIR AND EQUITABLE and it is not being taken.
that is really serious accusation.
Clown, fake brother, asshole, fake account generation?
what else?
i have stated that gandalfg, sponsor of your wasp project, know my brother personally and me also.
untrustworhy is beatlymac denying fact of payment and order numerous times until i joined a party and make case public. this scam has to be resolved. your and beastlymac lies accusation are false, read few posts above or thread at meta discussion.
fact is that due to ignorance of customer (attempt to steal) my brother lost 3.1 btc. my hero member account was marked as untrustworthy due to false accusations of lies (my statements were based of beastlymac responses wchich he strikeout completelly taking secret list out of the hat).
bicknellski please apologize to me for calling me like above. proofs are at my side.
also to beastlymac, please resolve alll scam cases related to your group buy wchich are documented at your group buy thread and your trust list
thanks.
@bbxx
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.
He has even posted pics of your order. Live up to your word and provide shipping information and close this issue.
beastymac sent me few pms, that im not on his order list. and after 5 months he comes out with "private list". come on.
You are not going to honor your word then?
+1 Pretty much sums up this whole fiasco.
please apologize me for saying clown and fake brother.
gandalfg knows us both bersonally
whole fiasco is result of beastlymac mess and ignoring pms
he held his goods/btc within 4 months and keep ignoring my brother
this is scam
No, it started with the omission of the buyers shipping address. You shouldn't even be posting as you are not the buyer, you are not adding anything new.
curiousminer stated he would give the address once the items are ready to send, they are and have been. Give the shipping information as per your word, or is your word worthless? Might be time for me to do more searching around for this pattern from others on the forums and post up a scam accusation right back on these two for extortion.
There is obviously an attempt to game the seller with this sort of ploy. They have probably done this numerous times in the past with alt accounts. Suggest people do not deal with these people. Simple solution is for the customer to give the information and get his compensation and stop harassing people in the forums in this manner. Looks more like an attempt at extortion than honestly looking to find a resolution from the "brother". Time to do some research and maybe post a scam accusation right back at these two for extortion. Probably these "two", or more probably a single person, has done this many times already in these forums with multiple accounts. Untrustworthy is what this is plain and simple given there is a resolution that is FAIR AND EQUITABLE and it is not being taken.
It was stated from the start in the thread that refunds could not be given when orders had been sent for processing.
Curiousminer order was made and paid for 7/02/2014
His order was then sent for processing 8/02/2014
He asked for a refund 10/02/2014
He was not ignored for 5 months I did respond to some of the messages sent although I do admit that my communication skills during that period was sub par.
He has withheld his shipping details from day one. Even though he stated. His package would have been delivered months ago had he provided his shipping details "in next days i will provide you shipping address plus i will send you cash for package to poland.". As KWH has hinted at it is possible that curiousminer withheld his shipping details in an attempt to bet on the difficulty at the time they would have been delivered if the difficulty was good he would have kept his order if not he would have tried to get a refund. Maybe he was under the impression that getting a refund at a later date was a possibility because he did not read the rules that where stated in the thread that say that no refund could be given after the order had been submitted to the manufacturer.
Also bbxx in your feedback you have left on me you call me in polite? That is very hypocritical.
Curiousminer order was made and paid for 7/02/2014
His order was then sent for processing 8/02/2014
He asked for a refund 10/02/2014
So what is the truth ?
for 5 months the OP just didn't supply an address to ship to ?
Or did Beastly ignore them for 5 months and offer it now ??
Now I am not saying it is, but if it s the second one, I would be pretty annoyed as well if I was OP. The device would be useless 5 months late.
I don't understand what benefit OP gets from not supplying an address for 5 months.
I don't think it needs to be / should be this confusing :|
for 5 months the OP just didn't supply an address to ship to ?
Or did Beastly ignore them for 5 months and offer it now ??
Now I am not saying it is, but if it s the second one, I would be pretty annoyed as well if I was OP. The device would be useless 5 months late.
I don't understand what benefit OP gets from not supplying an address for 5 months.
I don't think it needs to be / should be this confusing :|
He was not ignored for 5 months I did respond to some of the messages sent although I do admit that my communication skills during that period was sub par.
He has withheld his shipping details from day one. Even though he stated. His package would have been delivered months ago had he provided his shipping details "in next days i will provide you shipping address plus i will send you cash for package to poland.". As KWH has hinted at it is possible that curiousminer withheld his shipping details in an attempt to bet on the difficulty at the time they would have been delivered if the difficulty was good he would have kept his order if not he would have tried to get a refund. Maybe he was under the impression that getting a refund at a later date was a possibility because he did not read the rules that where stated in the thread that say that no refund could be given after the order had been submitted to the manufacturer.
Also bbxx in your feedback you have left on me you call me in polite? That is very hypocritical.
bbxx how long did it take for Beastly to relies the order was made.. I can see he wanted order details from the PM's... how long till that was resolved and he found the order? like from the day it was ordered to the day Beastly found the order and was able to ship ?
beastlymac got proof of payment at 10.03.2014
then he went into silence mode to trick out my brother (having his goods/btc in hand)
here is reference to whole terrible beastlymac communication https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8085792
sad.
bbxx how long did it take for Beastly to relies the order was made.. I can see he wanted order details from the PM's... how long till that was resolved and he found the order? like from the day it was ordered to the day Beastly found the order and was able to ship ?
Ok so your saying the second option, which was he ignored you guys.
And to the beastly guys... whats your take on this ? You sy for 4-5 months OP didn't want to give his shipping information? what benefit did OP have by not giving shipping info and delaying ?
And to the beastly guys... whats your take on this ? You sy for 4-5 months OP didn't want to give his shipping information? what benefit did OP have by not giving shipping info and delaying ?
Why didn't he/doesn't he give that info? Good question. Only reason I can see would be to hedge against the explosion/devaluation of mining products. No address given, delay, delay until they are worth little or possibly something better came along, then demand a full refund. BOTH are guilty of delays but yet there is still no address to send the items to. If you want to know more, read through the OP.
All this has been covered in the OP. At this point, all that will happen is more copy and pasted posts.
it is easy to understand.
bestlymac newer asked for shipping address. he was only denying fact of payment.
after proof he went into silence mode few times.
if curiousminer intentionally would deny shipping address that could be suspiscious but he was newer asked for it!
beastlymac has generated loss for more than 20 btc for community
he shipped goods months late, used with missing parts
he marked as scammers scammed customers
he promised compensation who newer arrived
he stated that anyone not at the list will be refunded.
he was ignoring pms
he was asking to send email at he never responded
please see his trust.
such person should newer create any group buy.
Ok so your saying the second option, which was he ignored you guys.
And to the beastly guys... whats your take on this ? You sy for 4-5 months OP didn't want to give his shipping information? what benefit did OP have by not giving shipping info and delaying ?
And to the beastly guys... whats your take on this ? You sy for 4-5 months OP didn't want to give his shipping information? what benefit did OP have by not giving shipping info and delaying ?
he just missed his payment, was ignoring him after he send all data needed to proof payment
he thought curiousminer is noob easy to trick out.
pure scam.
beastlymac pms are archived,
below is part of it
if you want i can post all of them.
this is disgusting that such figure is crafting so ugly scam like this.
Communication is not a form of scam.
deny order, payment,
ignore within few months
I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.
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