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legendary
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I had to come share my experience with Betcoin Poker. There is no better place to play online and their VIP program is the best. I absolutely love it there. I spend alot of time and hard earned money here. Even though i was a naysayer at first, now i fully support the site and its workers as I know they will take care of us in every possible way. All you have to do is be patient with them and they will keep it real. Good work Support Crew!

uknohowwedo thank you for taking the time to share your experience at Betcoin Poker.  We appreciate your comments about our very aggressive VIP program.  We will continue to work very hard everyday to provide an exceptional place for you to play.  Thank you!
legendary
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Pimpmycoin and everyone, we certainly will take everyone's feedback into account when deciding whether or not to host another 10 btc freeroll.  We had over 900 registered entrants in the last 10 btc freeroll and receive several requests daily to have another 10 btc freeroll and inquiries from companies wanting to co-sponsor a 10 btc freeroll.  We know most players appreciate the opportunity, hence over 900 register for the tournament, but we have a lot to assess when deciding whether or not have another 10 btc freeroll.  We would actually like to host them regularly and will certainly keep you informed. 
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any new big freeroll in the future?

Pimpmycoin, we are running through some ideas for some promotions and big freerolls.  We are also working very hard to improve the overall infrastructure and offer some new innovations to the industry.  We will certainly keep you posted.  The last 10 btc freeroll was a huge success, but we continue to learn we can't please everyone even with these big free tournaments.  Thank you!

The "Freeroll" was neither free nor a success. Betcoin refused to give out any details of the tourney before it started and then only gave some information. There were rebuys allowed that were fairly reasonable but there was an addon that cost a ridiculously large amount of chips that no player was made aware of until a certain level was reached and you had to decide within seconds. Betcoin also allowed for late-registration, which they did not announce until after the tourney started, for an absurd amount of time that also allowed for many, many multi-accounters to register and play.

The "Freeroll" was a HUGE FAILURE and everyone in chat was blowing up over just how ridiculous it was and how poorly Betcoin setup the tournament. NO ONE either in chat nor in any thread praised the "Freeroll" like Betcoin lies about and says they did. Betcoin deleted the entire thread about the "Freeroll" because so many players were calling them out on this bullshit notion that the "Freeroll" was such a huge success. Just more lies and shady actions by Betcoin.

If Betcoin was giving away 10BTC then what did they do with all the money they got from rebuys and addons? They certainly didn't give it away in the tourney. It seems like the 10BTC which they claim they gave away, was really 10BTC - (all rebuys and addons). Of course Betcoin never mentions this when telling everyone what a huge success it was.
legendary
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any new big freeroll in the future?

Pimpmycoin, we are running through some ideas for some promotions and big freerolls.  We are also working very hard to improve the overall infrastructure and offer some new innovations to the industry.  We will certainly keep you posted.  The last 10 btc freeroll was a huge success, but we continue to learn we can't please everyone even with these big free tournaments.  Thank you!

Why do you continue to misrepresent people?  It's like if I punched someone in the face and then gave them a dollar and they got mad that I punched them and I went "Oh gee, I guess you can't please everyone even if you give them money!"
legendary
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any new big freeroll in the future?

Pimpmycoin, we are running through some ideas for some promotions and big freerolls.  We are also working very hard to improve the overall infrastructure and offer some new innovations to the industry.  We will certainly keep you posted.  The last 10 btc freeroll was a huge success, but we continue to learn we can't please everyone even with these big free tournaments.  Thank you!
legendary
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Great! the app is back to normal. now we have a lot of more game options. People are going back to betcoin again! Love the freerolls!

Yes, this is great news BTCBinary, you can now play the tournaments on your mobile phone, tablet and pc and you have a lot more options.  Traffic has doubled since the return as expected.  Glad you love the freerolls.  Good luck to you!
legendary
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My last comment as now this is officially a waste of time.  I have never received a gift from Betcoin.  I play there for fun and I enjoy the community.  If I wasn't having fun or enjoying the community I simply wouldn't play there.  To spend this much time doing what you are doing when hundreds of people play there everyday clearly shows something personal and I can clearly see why they ignore you.  

As for darkdays, my last comment is I don't need to read your posts to know where I have fun when playing online and clearly nobody else needs to read your post because they too enjoy the community almost everyday.

I tried to help you out.  Good luck on your achieving your goals.  

That's a very short sighted and ignorant view of the world.  I'm glad that you found a poker room where you "have fun" and are blind to any sort of malfeasance that goes on at that room but please understand that people who take poker seriously are going to want to discuss the things that go on at that room.  Maybe the people in charge will take note and change the things they are doing wrong.  Then you'd have more fun!

I'd also note that you didn't take the time to refute any claims or answer any questions that were asked of you...but we know that you'd just respond with "THIS IS MY LAST RESPONSE I HAVE FUN YOU ARE MEAN" or something equally worthless.
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My last comment as now this is officially a waste of time.  I have never received a gift from Betcoin.  I play there for fun and I enjoy the community.  If I wasn't having fun or enjoying the community I simply wouldn't play there.  To spend this much time doing what you are doing when hundreds of people play there everyday clearly shows something personal and I can clearly see why they ignore you. 

As for darkdays, my last comment is I don't need to read your posts to know where I have fun when playing online and clearly nobody else needs to read your post because they too enjoy the community almost everyday.

I tried to help you out.  Good luck on your achieving your goals. 

You have fun playing at Betcoin.

They have good promos.

You are aware of the evidence demonstrating their lack of ethics and willingness to blatantly lie to all of us, but don't think it matters. 

You will continue to encourage others to play there - because when you play there, you have fun.

If they were to ever treat you poorly or unfairly you would simply leave, because trying to actually do something about it (while others still have fun there) would be a waste of time.

Got it.


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My last comment as now this is officially a waste of time.  I have never received a gift from Betcoin.  I play there for fun and I enjoy the community.  If I wasn't having fun or enjoying the community I simply wouldn't play there.  To spend this much time doing what you are doing when hundreds of people play there everyday clearly shows something personal and I can clearly see why they ignore you.  

As for darkdays, my last comment is I don't need to read your posts to know where I have fun when playing online and clearly nobody else needs to read your post because they too enjoy the community almost everyday.

I tried to help you out.  Good luck on your achieving your goals.  
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You seem to be ignoring most of my direct questions. 

Even the ones you answer make me suspicious because of your wording.

I asked

I have not been paid but that would be nice...  I tried to join their signature campaign to get paid... 



if you are referring to the Betcoin.ag forum they are running a business and in my mind would be expected to delete posts otherwise it would be a spam fest.

Regarding that post, it doesn't come up but a list of players online does and the player that wrote this is logged in which is interesting.  I guess he isn't done.

Betcoin doesn't delete spam unless it's highly offensive (N word over and over, genitalia pictures, etc.)

Here's the post I tried to link, it's not spam:

Please answer, what is your goal and why not work it out?  Your posts indicate a personal issue that you should just work out and move on from. 

My goal is to hold Betcoin accountable for their actions.  I think allowing their behavior to be considered acceptable could result in a lot of future damage to Bitcoin and Online Poker as a whole.

Stop telling me I should work this out with them privately.  I tried.  They lied to me a few times and for the last month+ they have completely ignored me in every way other than the occasional insult.  You would know that already if you had read what you decided to respond to.

If you want to continue discussing these issues, please go back and read my posts from the past couple weeks. 

If you dont want to because they are long and boring, it's fine.  But defending without even trying to understand both sides is just irresponsible.
legendary
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As for darkdays, I really don't read every post, they are too long and in the Betcoin community there is a lot more going on in there with staking, loans, sports talk, poker talk and more.  I enjoy the time in there. 



So you are blindly defending a company without even reading the discussion that you are attempting to refute?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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I remember when the bbj was first launched and it had a little over 1 btc in it.  I watched it grow and grow.  It never went from 1 to 10 it was steady.  Anytime players funds are lost due to collusion or other efforts the site should do it's best to return the funds to the players.  I have seen many times at Betcoin Poker where that has happened.  I received funds from an involuntary disconnect issue and heard others received the same.  

Quite frankly, I don't even think Betcoin makes funds from poker with their low rake, VIP rewards, 100% rakeback and affiliate program.  It is a great value for the players, but can't be that great for Betcoin.  
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I have not been paid but that would be nice.  I really haven't said anything that special, but that I enjoy playing there.  I tried to join their signature campaign to get paid and see just about every website rewarding players for posting in a forum.  That seems like mutually beneficial advertising to me.  Then you say delete comments, Betcoin can't delete your comments here so you are free to speak freely and if you are referring to the Betcoin.ag forum they are running a business and in my mind would be expected to delete posts otherwise it would be a spam fest.

Regarding that post, it doesn't come up but a list of players online does and the player that wrote this is logged in which is interesting.  I guess he isn't done.

The only reason I even know about BitcoinTalk is because it was mentioned on Betcoin.ag, ironically that's how I found out about Nitrogen and some other good sites as well.  Some sites have strong points but none combine all the aspects.

Does it even matter that you are banned at this point?  If you have all these negative thoughts, why play there anyway?

Please answer, what is your goal and why not work it out?  Your posts indicate a personal issue that you should just work out and move on from. 

As for darkdays, I really don't read every post, they are too long and in the Betcoin community there is a lot more going on in there with staking, loans, sports talk, poker talk and more.  I enjoy the time in there. 

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@FTW

do you agree with my answer here?  Or do you still think it was ok for Betcoin to use the money they shouldn't have taken to fund a jackpot?


What should happen to the funds that Betcoin accidentally took from players?

Use the money to fund a jackpot which could be won by anyone in the future?

or

Return the funds to the players they took them from.


Answer:

These funds do not belong to them so doing anything other than returning them would be unethical.

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I wish I could get paid to post, but I don't have the seniority here at Bitcointalk yet.  I will soon.  I just enjoy playing on the site and the community for a wide variety of reasons and see many new people each day enjoying their experiences.  I guess it would make sense that not everyone could be happy.  I have noticed you also try to attack anybody that posts by stating they get paid to post which I find funny.  I personally hate to see people waste time, but I guess the same could be said about me responding to you though I don't nearly spend as much time as you. 

I actually remember when the bbj started at just over 1 btc, then there was talk about taking the bbj funds when it built up to over 10 and using that for a freeroll, but that never happened.  They did both. 

What is your goal with all of this?  What is your player name on Betcoin?



Have you ever received a gift from Betcoin for your support on this forum?

I have.

Players are often rewarded for posting about how much they love Betcoin.

If a player posts about being unhappy with Betcoin, they simply delete it.

Here is an example from 2 days ago, someone was very upset and put a lot of effort into explaining why:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XmzsDuk3DQgJ:https://www.betcoin.ag/done-bitcoin-yet-again+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Try to view original post:

https://www.betcoin.ag/done-bitcoin-yet-again

I am OHYEAH and TwitchySeal on betcoin.  Or at least I was - I am banned now without explanation, but I think it's safe to assume the reasons are obvious.  Who are you?

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to figure out why the only posts you have ever made in almost 1.5 years are to praise Betcoin.



legendary
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I just enjoy playing on the site and the community for a wide variety of reasons and see many new people each day enjoying their experiences. 

I'm curious, what aspects of the community do you enjoy?  From what I remember, it was just a bunch of kids screaming racist and homophobic things while begging each other for small buy in stakes. 



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What is your goal with all of this?  What is your player name on Betcoin?



He's posted his Betcoin name multiple times.  If you can't pick up something as simple as that, I'd say that speaks to your motives.
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I wish I could get paid to post, but I don't have the seniority here at Bitcointalk yet.  I will soon.  I just enjoy playing on the site and the community for a wide variety of reasons and see many new people each day enjoying their experiences.  I guess it would make sense that not everyone could be happy.  I have noticed you also try to attack anybody that posts by stating they get paid to post which I find funny.  I personally hate to see people waste time, but I guess the same could be said about me responding to you though I don't nearly spend as much time as you. 

I actually remember when the bbj started at just over 1 btc, then there was talk about taking the bbj funds when it built up to over 10 and using that for a freeroll, but that never happened.  They did both. 

What is your goal with all of this?  What is your player name on Betcoin?

legendary
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You clearly have some sort of personal issue with Betcoin Poker and it would have been in your best interest to solve it directly with them.  I am not sure what level you played at but I see some pretty big action there everyday and each of those players comes back daily without complaints. I really can't believe you waste all the time you do, but will say I believe that Betcoin.ag's VIP program is far and above any I have ever experienced and they have real poker, a good sportsbook, the best casino and dice all combined in one experience.  I still sometimes use Nitrogen for sports, but that is more rare now that there have been no issues with Betcoin Sports.  I actually find it ironic that your complaints are about the VIP program that is superior to any other sites from my experience.  

Edit: They give out up to 200% in rakeback in some instances as what I have read and held a 10 btc freeroll and still have the bbj that was supposed to fund that and Betcoin is dishonest?  I wish more poker sites were dishonest in your view because I really do miss those 10 btc freerolls!

Contact them directly and solve your personal issue.  They are very good about taking care of their players.  

Read the posts I've made.  It seems like you are making assumptions by simply looking at them instead of reading the words within them.  Your advice on contacting them directly is laughable considering the details I've shared.


I see you have read some of what I wrote regarding the BBJP, so I will respond:

Edit: They give out up to 200% in rakeback in some instances as what I have read and held a 10 btc freeroll and still have the bbj that was supposed to fund that and Betcoin is dishonest?  I wish more poker sites were dishonest in your view because I really do miss those 10 btc freerolls!

When there is a jackpot drop that is taken in addition to the standard rake, it's the same as a player making a small bet before each hand that they will win the BBJP.

Before August 3rd, 2015:

Betcoin collected well over 10 BTC in cash games, .01 mbtc at a time

Betcoin told players nothing extra was being collected and that there was no BBJP, and the ticker would be removed soon

The chances of winning the jackpot were 0% (there was no BBJP)



What should happen to the funds that Betcoin accidentally took from players?

Use the money to fund a jackpot which could be won by anyone in the future?

or

Return the funds to the players they took them from.


Answer:

These funds do not belong to them so doing anything other than returning them would be unethical.



Also, could you please answer my earlier question?

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Your first post was not endorsing Betcoin, but was a response to qualify for a Betcoin promotion.

Every other post you've made since June 2014 has been to compliment Betcoin, or defend them against criticism. 

Would you mind disclosing the motivation behind all these posts?  Have you received anything for making them?  If so how much?
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You clearly have some sort of personal issue with Betcoin Poker and it would have been in your best interest to solve it directly with them.  I am not sure what level you played at but I see some pretty big action there everyday and each of those players comes back daily without complaints. I really can't believe you waste all the time you do, but will say I believe that Betcoin.ag's VIP program is far and above any I have ever experienced and they have real poker, a good sportsbook, the best casino and dice all combined in one experience.  I still sometimes use Nitrogen for sports, but that is more rare now that there have been no issues with Betcoin Sports.  I actually find it ironic that your complaints are about the VIP program that is superior to any other sites from my experience.  

Edit: They give out up to 200% in rakeback in some instances as what I have read and held a 10 btc freeroll and still have the bbj that was supposed to fund that and Betcoin is dishonest?  I wish more poker sites were dishonest in your view because I really do miss those 10 btc freerolls!

Contact them directly and solve your personal issue.  They are very good about taking care of their players. 
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Just want to remind anyone who made it this far-  I didn't make this post just to prove I got screwed out of some rake back (although I wouldn't blame you for assuming so).  I made it because I want everyone to look at the way Betcoin handled this issue and compare it to some of the other issues I've brought up; like the BBJP issue, the No Collusion Freeroll  - how they handle cheaters in general, even how they have behaved in this very thread....if a casino as dishonest and  non-transparent (opaq?) as Betcoin is able to grow and succeed long term - it will lower the standards of future businesses within the industry.  Unregulated doesn't mean unaccountable. 

I'd be happy to discuss anything I've posted in any way shape or form.  It's tough trying to say everything I want to but avoid wall of text boringness that nobody will do more than glance at...


I've been trying to keep up with all that you've been trying to point out.  Some of it is very complicated, some of it can be contributed to the sites "growing pains," and some of it is probably just frustration.  This is what I know: when I satellite into WPN tournaments on the MAIN network skins, I do get a rakeback--even if I satellite into them via freerolls. However, here's the problem: the Winning Poker Network has a very complicated structure within in it's own network.  On their main skins, their fees are distributed differently...they spend quite a bit of their revenue sponsoring their big tournaments and promoting the network.  This is where it gets complicated: Betcoin is in the WPN hierarchy in a very different manner than the main skins.  Betcoin's players have the advantage of playing in the Winning Poker Networks pool of players, but the fees generated from those tournaments are controlled by the WPN for allowing us access to play in their pool.  So, the distribution of fees and the way they are calculated and distributed in terms of rakeback gets convoluted.  Each new skin in the WPN negotiates its own contract, sorta speak, so there's a very confusing hierarchy among the several skins. 

I understand your frustration completely....rakeback is a big concern to any serious player in regards to calculating their ROI and managing their bankroll.  However, having the advantage of playing in a player pool which is consistently dropping huge overlays in their tournaments is worth that confusion when calculating the value of your buy ins.  It's a trade off....see.  When we pay $540 to get into a tournament that has a $200,000 overlay, we are getting an extreme bargain!

Anyway, Betcoin is very generous with the funds they receive from the fees generated from their own player pool.  Just do some quick calculations and consider the overlay that's dropped daily in Betcoin's exclusive tournaments....that's value!

Yes, you have some very valid and serious concerns.  I just think that you're not considering the complicated relationships that exists between the several different skins and the network.  The aspect that makes Betcoin unique among all the skins is that it has two distinct pools of players (advantageous to us) which complicates matters in many ways and some answers are too complicated to state simply.   Think about that some....

TIP: When you're deciding what network skin to play which specific tournament....take into account the
       complications mentioned above and play on the skin that will give you the best value.

I really do understand and sympathize with Betcoins issues.  To be clear:  I am not accusing them of intentionally scamming players by paying less rake back than advertised.

Each of the major issues I have brought up so far (BBJP, Rakeback etc) began as an honest mistake.  The type of mistake that is to be expected from any relatively new site and even some established sites.  This may be way it seems on the surface that I am just bitching to bitch like so many other poker players do.  But when you look at the way Betcoin.ag has reacted to each of these issues it reveals a problem that is much greater than the sum of all these "normal" issues.  Betcoin.ag is a dishonest site.  If anyone out there understands what I'm trying to say but thinks they could phrase is better, please do. 
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