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Quote from: Igebotz on November 20, 2023, 02:42:19 PM

More than 22 ACL injuries have occurred this season; there is no way you can blame the coaches and not FIFA for arranging these fixtures and increasing game minutes.

Yep, it's FIFA's fault for sure. More and more managers are being vocal about it - but money machine won't care.

Quote from: Igebotz on November 20, 2023, 10:02:04 AM

No international game is unimportant in Africa; every player wants to play.

Africa has crazy qualifiers. I just read an article today on how difficult it is to qualify.
Long distance travel on bumpy roads, often without airplanes, constant hostile environments away from home and no margin for error. I will follow it more this time around - now more teams have a chance, right?

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 20, 2023, 02:42:19 PM

More than 22 ACL injuries have occurred this season; there is no way you can blame the coaches and not FIFA for arranging these fixtures and increasing game minutes.

I am blaming FIFA, they are the main problem. And to make it worse they are making both EURO and WC even bigger and less appealing. It is all about the money and we will enter into place when football will start loosing its audience.

Few years ago I was still watching every CL game, every big derby in Spain or Italy, every game on every EURO or WC. Now there is so much football that I am basically watching just Premier League, and some big matches in CL. Other leagues are ignored and it never crosses my mind to watch some stupid national team game, unless it is again a duel between top teams, Croatia or I have a shitload of money on it.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 20, 2023, 10:16:15 AM

It is logical that some players are calculating. Haaland is well aware that his trophies and accomplishments will come from club football. His maximum with Norway is to maybe pass a group at some competition. Gavi on the other hand know that some silverware could well come from national team. Players should be always available I agree but national team selectors should also be aware how many minutes their players have in them and then rest them up in unimportant matches. If it is late stages of World Cup of course you play them but if it is a friendly or qualifier game against some week opponent, give a rest to tired ones. Spain could have won that last game with their 4th or 5th choice player on every position.

More than 22 ACL injuries have occurred this season; there is no way you can blame the coaches and not FIFA for arranging these fixtures and increasing game minutes.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 20, 2023, 10:02:04 AM

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They? Or he did not want to risk himself - Halaand always prefer club football to country games cause nobody give a fuck about him on the international level.

In some cases it's perfectly logical. Look at what happened to Gavi yesterday - ACL tear in a fully irrelevant game vs Georgia.
Odegaard did not play as well for Norway - in some countries the fans even understand these choices. In Croatia everybody would be fuming - all our players constantly play for the national team and the pressure to perform is high, whereas Norway has no such atmosphere/expectation in the national team.

If I was a manager at the club, I'd do all in my power to keep important players from playing in unimportant qualifiers - and 80% of these are really unimportant.

Gavi, at the age of 19, has a greater international legacy and is more patriotic to his country than Halaand; it's a greater honour to get fucked up playing for your motherland than it is to play for your club side. Gavi will be remembered for giving his all for the Spain jersey.

Mikel OBi is Nigeria's most decorated player today after sacrificing his Chelsea career for the country.

No international game is unimportant in Africa; every player wants to play.

It is logical that some players are calculating. Haaland is well aware that his trophies and accomplishments will come from club football. His maximum with Norway is to maybe pass a group at some competition. Gavi on the other hand know that some silverware could well come from national team. Players should be always available I agree but national team selectors should also be aware how many minutes their players have in them and then rest them up in unimportant matches. If it is late stages of World Cup of course you play them but if it is a friendly or qualifier game against some week opponent, give a rest to tired ones. Spain could have won that last game with their 4th or 5th choice player on every position.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 20, 2023, 09:12:43 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on November 19, 2023, 04:38:59 PM

They? Or he did not want to risk himself - Halaand always prefer club football to country games cause nobody give a fuck about him on the international level.

In some cases it's perfectly logical. Look at what happened to Gavi yesterday - ACL tear in a fully irrelevant game vs Georgia.
Odegaard did not play as well for Norway - in some countries the fans even understand these choices. In Croatia everybody would be fuming - all our players constantly play for the national team and the pressure to perform is high, whereas Norway has no such atmosphere/expectation in the national team.

If I was a manager at the club, I'd do all in my power to keep important players from playing in unimportant qualifiers - and 80% of these are really unimportant.

Gavi, at the age of 19, has a greater international legacy and is more patriotic to his country than Halaand; it's a greater honour to get fucked up playing for your motherland than it is to play for your club side. Gavi will be remembered for giving his all for the Spain jersey.

Mikel OBi is Nigeria's most decorated player today after sacrificing his Chelsea career for the country.

No international game is unimportant in Africa; every player wants to play.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 19, 2023, 04:38:59 PM

They? Or he did not want to risk himself - Halaand always prefer club football to country games cause nobody give a fuck about him on the international level.

In some cases it's perfectly logical. Look at what happened to Gavi yesterday - ACL tear in a fully irrelevant game vs Georgia.
Odegaard did not play as well for Norway - in some countries the fans even understand these choices. In Croatia everybody would be fuming - all our players constantly play for the national team and the pressure to perform is high, whereas Norway has no such atmosphere/expectation in the national team.

If I was a manager at the club, I'd do all in my power to keep important players from playing in unimportant qualifiers - and 80% of these are really unimportant.

Quote from: Harkorede on November 19, 2023, 08:13:49 PM

Jarrod Bowen is another player of concern having withdrawn for the England squad due to injury, the same goes for Mitoma (I'm already looking to get him out for a long term or permanently, perhaps), and Rasmus Hojlund too.

Nice to see him as a doubt, I just traded him in this week Grin

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Quote from: Harkorede on November 19, 2023, 08:13:49 PM

I believe he does care about international football as well, but in this case the national team literally have nothing to play for while he also need to very cautious with minor injury/knocks he's had recent, It's just a matter of few day before we know what really is wrong him and whether or not he'll be available to play against Liverpool, that's surely a fixture he wouldn't want to miss, I'm very sure but you sure already know by now that Guardiola would never risk playing Haaland if he is not 100% cleared to play by the team doctors.

This is hardly news; he spends months playing for Manchester City and pretending to be injured whenever he is on international duty in order to have a solo break before returning to club football. He is dragging his country through the dirt in order to prioritise a large salary cheque.

Faked an injury during the last three international breaks, missing the majority of Norway's qualification matches. Ghosted in all of Norway's major games.

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Jarrod Bowen is another player of concern having withdrawn for the England squad due to injury, the same goes for Mitoma (I'm already looking to get him out for a long term or permanently, perhaps), and Rasmus Hojlund too.

Southgate confirms Bowen injury is not a serious one, so hopefully he would return after a week rest.

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Halaand is completely fit; he just doesn't want to risk it for his national team because there is nothing to play for. Man Fakes an injury every time he plays for the national team in order to be fit for club matches.

There's news that he will be fit for the game and that the injury was only minor. He did not play for Norway in their game against Scotland because they did not want to risk him since they already knew that they were not going to make qualification for the Euro 2024.

Even Rodri who some people thought was injured because he did not play for Spain against Cyprus is fit today and on National duty for Spain against Georgia.

They? Or he did not want to risk himself - Halaand always prefer club football to country games cause nobody give a fuck about him on the international level.

I believe he does care about international football as well, but in this case the national team literally have nothing to play for while he also need to very cautious with minor injury/knocks he's had recent, It's just a matter of few day before we know what really is wrong him and whether or not he'll be available to play against Liverpool, that's surely a fixture he wouldn't want to miss, I'm very sure but you sure already know by now that Guardiola would never risk playing Haaland if he is not 100% cleared to play by the team doctors.

Jarrod Bowen is another player of concern having withdrawn for the England squad due to injury, the same goes for Mitoma (I'm already looking to get him out for a long term or permanently, perhaps), and Rasmus Hojlund too.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 19, 2023, 03:31:40 PM

Halaand is completely fit; he just doesn't want to risk it for his national team because there is nothing to play for. Man Fakes an injury every time he plays for the national team in order to be fit for club matches.

There's news that he will be fit for the game and that the injury was only minor. He did not play for Norway in their game against Scotland because they did not want to risk him since they already knew that they were not going to make qualification for the Euro 2024.

Even Rodri who some people thought was injured because he did not play for Spain against Cyprus is fit today and on National duty for Spain against Georgia.

They? Or he did not want to risk himself - Halaand always prefer club football to country games cause nobody give a fuck about him on the international level.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 19, 2023, 03:31:40 PM

Halaand is completely fit; he just doesn't want to risk it for his national team because there is nothing to play for. Man Fakes an injury every time he plays for the national team in order to be fit for club matches.

There's news that he will be fit for the game and that the injury was only minor. He did not play for Norway in their game against Scotland because they did not want to risk him since they already knew that they were not going to make qualification for the Euro 2024.

Even Rodri who some people thought was injured because he did not play for Spain against Cyprus is fit today and on National duty for Spain against Georgia.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 19, 2023, 01:15:50 PM

I read one report just now and there is no exact news but things that Norway coach said sound promising. He said something in line that it isn't serious and that if that was important game he would maybe be able to play it to the end. Seems like minor ankle sprain, should be back for Liverpool but if he is not than definitely soon after that.

He had one unfortunate sentence which is probably translated wrong and said something like "it isn't career threatening" but those words, even when used in such context imply it was much more serious stuff than it actually was.

Still plenty of time to get news before the match, and that match is early kick off so we will also have leaked line ups. Just be patient and wait.

Halaand is completely fit; he just doesn't want to risk it for his national team because there is nothing to play for. Man Fakes an injury every time he plays for the national team in order to be fit for club matches.

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Quote from: Harkorede on November 18, 2023, 10:12:52 AM

I couldn’t agree more with you on the case of big and club side important players like that of Haaland not getting involved with national team games when there is nothing or very little at stake, but Haaland might be very due for an injury and it’s evident with the way Guardiola have been managing his minutes very well and making sure he doesn’t play when not necessary but for a player with an injury history, fatigue and knocks could be a factor of accumulated playing regardless of the how long they sit out of matches.

It seems this wasn’t a far fetched speculation as current reports has it that, E. Haaland has got an ankle injury from an in-house training. It’s exaggerated to be one that could be career threatening or season long. I checked what stats the FPL has placed on him and his got 75% chance of playing. This left me with mixed feelings in what could be the actual case here.

Though I don’t have him on my team as I transferred him out over the last 2 GWs, I had thoughts of a possible return but, that’s not until his injury news is clear but then, what’s the case with him.
Anyone with some legit update on E. Haaland’e injury status?

I read one report just now and there is no exact news but things that Norway coach said sound promising. He said something in line that it isn't serious and that if that was important game he would maybe be able to play it to the end. Seems like minor ankle sprain, should be back for Liverpool but if he is not than definitely soon after that.

He had one unfortunate sentence which is probably translated wrong and said something like "it isn't career threatening" but those words, even when used in such context imply it was much more serious stuff than it actually was.

Still plenty of time to get news before the match, and that match is early kick off so we will also have leaked line ups. Just be patient and wait.

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Quote from: Harkorede on November 18, 2023, 10:12:52 AM

I couldn’t agree more with you on the case of big and club side important players like that of Haaland not getting involved with national team games when there is nothing or very little at stake, but Haaland might be very due for an injury and it’s evident with the way Guardiola have been managing his minutes very well and making sure he doesn’t play when not necessary but for a player with an injury history, fatigue and knocks could be a factor of accumulated playing regardless of the how long they sit out of matches.

It seems this wasn’t a far fetched speculation as current reports has it that, E. Haaland has got an ankle injury from an in-house training. It’s exaggerated to be one that could be career threatening or season long. I checked what stats the FPL has placed on him and his got 75% chance of playing. This left me with mixed feelings in what could be the actual case here.

Though I don’t have him on my team as I transferred him out over the last 2 GWs, I had thoughts of a possible return but, that’s not until his injury news is clear but then, what’s the case with him.
Anyone with some legit update on E. Haaland’e injury status?

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 18, 2023, 05:53:18 AM

Regarding the injuries, I never believe in the stories (like in Haaland's case). He's got nothing to play for for Norway and will rather rest and recoup.
Most of the clubs have the same strategy, especially towards players from other continents. I expect Haaland to play the full 90 against Liverpool.

I couldn’t agree more with you on the case of big and club side important players like that of Haaland not getting involved with national team games when there is nothing or very little at stake, but Haaland might be very due for an injury and it’s evident with the way Guardiola have been managing his minutes very well and making sure he doesn’t play when not necessary but for a player with an injury history, fatigue and knocks could be a factor of accumulated playing regardless of the how long they sit out of matches.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 18, 2023, 05:53:18 AM

~Regarding the injuries, I never believe in the stories (like in Haaland's case). He's got nothing to play for for Norway and will rather rest and recoup.
Most of the clubs have the same strategy, especially towards players from other continents. I expect Haaland to play the full 90 against Liverpool.

It infuriates me that I made some multi-bets that include both national team games and club games, and now when players get injured (Real two players dropped out at once - Camavinga + Vinny, damn!) I understand that my bets have lost a little relevance (in in terms of the correctness of the coefficients). In club games, players also get injured, but I rarely make multi-bets there with games from different rounds.

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The main problem of internationals is that most of the games are uneventful. The groups are composed like that, and in the whole qualifiers there are maybe 20 games worth watching across all the groups/rounds.

International football is also a bit more rigid than what we're used to seeing in the top leagues, but I like it as an occasional break.
Only a handful of teams have options to rotate and change, most of the teams adapt which is interesting to see from a tactical perspective.

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Regarding the injuries, I never believe in the stories (like in Haaland's case). He's got nothing to play for for Norway and will rather rest and recoup.
Most of the clubs have the same strategy, especially towards players from other continents. I expect Haaland to play the full 90 against Liverpool.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2023, 11:14:13 AM

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Haaland injured again! (Just kidding

City players always seem to get minor injuries at this time of the year and are usually back by the end of the international break.)

Enjoy the break!

There is a name for that - it is called, rather unimaginative - international break injuries. In other words players using the break to take care of their minor injuries which wouldn't stop them from playing if it was regular club game.

I find myself bored during international break, have absolutely no patience to watch that kind of football, good thing we have a nice tennis and snooker tournaments going on.

In the same boat, international break is a total mess for me, i dont want to see any game and i dont see the players play with a big effort on them, the speed of the games are also trash compared to club ones. Is by far the worst time on football.

About Haaland injury, dont make me excited hahaha ( i dont have him)

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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2023, 11:14:13 AM

Quote from: NotATether on November 17, 2023, 11:08:22 AM

Haaland injured again! (Just kidding

City players always seem to get minor injuries at this time of the year and are usually back by the end of the international break.)

Enjoy the break!

There is a name for that - it is called, rather unimaginative - international break injuries. In other words players using the break to take care of their minor injuries which wouldn't stop them from playing if it was regular club game.

I find myself bored during international break, have absolutely no patience to watch that kind of football, good thing we have a nice tennis and snooker tournaments going on.

The doctor indicated it's nothing serious, but we'll see whether he plays in their next game, which I doubt Pep would allow him to do. To keep fit for club football, these players and their physicians sometimes invent fake injuries.

He missed Liverpool's game last season and will most likely miss it again if the injury is serious. At this time, we could say he's afraid to face Liverpool Grin

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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2023, 11:14:13 AM

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I find myself bored during international break, have absolutely no patience to watch that kind of football, good thing we have a nice tennis and snooker tournaments going on.

it was interesting before, but now with most countries qualifying due to increased number of participants on Final tournament, it does not making sense to watch anymore
looking at South America qualifications, group has 10 teams, where 6 go directly and 7th is going to another qualifications
it is more interesting to see who will end-up not-qualifying then who will go to WC 2026, Venezuela is doing better than expected for now, so Paraquay will be maybe that team that can qualify even if all teams are going through

True. Most of the qualifying is routine and all that remains is to wait for the death games (either in groups or in an additional tournament for the losers where there are knockout games). Considering that it is now very easy to qualify for both the World Cup and the European Championship, qualifying tournaments are gradually turning into an unnecessary tournament like the Nations League. For small teams, every game has meaning, but I think most fans are interested in the top teams.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2023, 11:14:13 AM

~snip
I find myself bored during international break, have absolutely no patience to watch that kind of football, good thing we have a nice tennis and snooker tournaments going on.

it was interesting before, but now with most countries qualifying due to increased number of participants on Final tournament, it does not making sense to watch anymore
looking at South America qualifications, group has 10 teams, where 6 go directly and 7th is going to another qualifications
it is more interesting to see who will end-up not-qualifying then who will go to WC 2026, Venezuela is doing better than expected for now, so Paraquay will be maybe that team that can qualify even if all teams are going through

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