Topic: Bitcoin Conference 2012- London 15-16 Sept | ANNOUNCEMENT sponsorship available! - page 11. (Read 60319 times)

Amir,

I've refrained from getting involved at this point, but how dare you say something like this.


Do you know how much damn work Roger has done to get where he is today? Do you know how many sacrifices he has made for Bitcoin?

Wait...you don't. Know why?

BECAUSE YOU RELEASED THE GODDAMN SOURCE CODE OF BITCOINICA WHICH HAD THE MTGOX API IN IT WHICH LED TO THE THEFT OF ANOTHER 40K BTC AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY USD.

Your fault! No one elses! How dare you say "Oh, I need time off." Please, I've heard that bullshit before.

Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)

-Charlie

Amir,  I look forward to karma coming back to get you.
Believe it or not,  losing 24,000 BTC because of an idiot like you, HAS HAD A BIG BIG IMPACT ON MY LIFE!
People with attitudes like yours give a bad reputation to our entire movement.

Do the world a favor and quit your involvement with Bitcoin.

Sincerely,
Roger Ver

And yet you did not even respond to one of my mails. Was I not depressed enough for you ?


This is really disrespectful. "This guy has more money so who cares if he lost some".
Do you know they are people living in the world with much less than you have ? Still how would you feel if someone took you half your money ?

Money is just number is an easier position to hold when you are not the one loosing the money. Do you know what MINE money feel to me ?
For me money is not just "some number". It is sweat and hard work, my hard work.

You seems to feel no guilt for the release of the database that preceded the hack.

I wanted to go to the conference. Do you know how I feel now sending you 40e now that I have lost 60k ?

Among others things, you have taken onto your shoulder to be Intersango's spoke person on the matter of [Payout Updates] and the hacks.

And I think you definitely failed at this and having anyone at Intersango to give meaningful updates.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/payout-updates-bitcoinica-site-is-taken-offline-for-security-investigation-84042

My personal role (not the Consultancy or anyone else's):

- Design a new hedging algorithm for Bitcoinica because the existing one was losing Tihan a lot of money for the last few months.

More here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1038189

Not willing to follow you on an argument about Bitcoinica "here",  I'm not saying "that there should be no conference" but that the risk of it being a issue is real and should not be sent to off-topic.  I think it would be a necessity for you to make well though of post summarizing your involvement in Bitcoinica BEFORE the conference, It has gotten very tiresome to hear from all sides "I' ve nothing to do with it" maybe telling us who does would ease the pain. I know, you just did, but here was not the place and your words don't seems well chosen given what we are going through.

Here, a post I made 2 weeks ago replying to a boycott suggestion, (obviously, left in the dark, didn't take into account your lack of possible involvement) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1074453

Transisto, before Bitcoinica, I had no problems with you and thought you a good person (I still do and don't blame you for being upset over it). But what should I have done differently? You do realise that I have no control over anything.

If I don't organise the conference, then it won't happen. It is my experience and knowledge of this opensource-world, conferences and organising other events that means I know how to create a conference. You're essentially saying that there should be no conference because Bitcoinica lost money and I was affiliated with Bitcoinica? That seems pointless. I'm essentially doing this for free anyway.

Bitcoinica is all in the hands of business people and lawyers now. The reason I took a long hiatus is because it was seriously effecting my mental health. Several people started to tell me to take time out, but I wouldn't listen to them. Eventually it got too much, and I took their advice. I would've been a broken person unable to do anything otherwise.

It did get pretty heavy at one point, but what carried me through was random emails/PMs (reddit, forum, irc) of kindness and support. I never had something like that happen in my life before and it was very touching. Like random strangers on the internet. That was something else. There was one guy even who we exchanged long emails back and forth.

For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more. What really gets me are the people who sent messages like "help! I invested all my money and now i'm borrowing to survive." That's really soul crushing. money is just numbers and w/e. But when it hurts someone physically, that's totally unacceptable to me.

EDIT: My choice of words was poor:

I feel much more for the guy who has lost all of his already small net worth that is paying for his next meal and this month's housing than the guy who has lost a fraction of his already large net worth and has legal recourse available to him.

The absolute numbers don't mean much. It's the effect it has on the person's life.

When reading about the conference I tend to listen to what organizers says (Genjix) and reply accordingly.

So you claim the organizers involvement in Bitcoinica should not affect the conference ?  To each his opinion.

It seems like not everyone agree that Amir has handled the problem as he should have had and that a significant risk remain that the conference will be used as a tribune on this matter.

Please move this off-topic discussion to the dozen other threads covering the situation.

You disappeared at the worst of time for months, leaving thousand of creditors in the dark, then you come back with a 4 line reply claiming you've done nothing wrong and we should be grateful for these 2 things you claim you did ?

*That was all the emails ? Really ?

*Should we applaud you for releasing the source code ? (How did that help other than allowing the 40kBTC heist of users money?)
What has changed from the time you were processing refund to the time you released your mtGox password in the source code ?  
Being at 0% paid back, this is something I'd like a clear statement about.  

What will you do about the funds you already gave away Vs. those accurate claims who got nothing back ?

Ps: Did you just say "Fuck off" ? We were somehow expecting it, but wish you could have said it publicly much earlier.

oh fuck off. Name me one instance where I lied, or conducted myself improperly. Point them to me. It was me who made public all the emails, released publically all the documents/agreements, released the sourcecode and pushed for communications from zhou's first announcement (everyone told me to be quiet). Your thinly veiled threat is pathetic and petty.

We should never have touched the funds in the first place.

So despite key players definitely now being subject of at least one legal investigation, they are still allowed the priviledge of administrating the conference? What goes around comes around, the conference will be brought into disrepute over this.


BB.

I found a nice space for the hackathon:

LARC (London Action Resource Centre) has been confirmed and booked as the location for the pre-conference hackathon. They are a self-organised, non-hierarchical projects for radical social change with suitable facilities for a Bitcoin hackathon.

http://www.londonarc.org/

I've also added more information like accommodation and the address of the conference to the venue page:

http://www.bitcoin2012.com/venue

That's exactly what I'd be worried about. Perhaps you like vivid discussions.

+1
^(my first +1 ever)

Let's just have a nice conference, I don't want to be disturbed by someones butt hurt whether it's justified or not, choose another time and place for that.

Yep. Personally, I'm gonna be wearing a horse mask when I speak. No one will ever guess it's me.

Yeah! True dat.


Everyone else can come in just to tell them face to face how much they fucked up ;)

Indeed ridiculous!

Just because you are financing your kindergarten summer festival by irresponsibly subjects who have loads of more important issues to work on than organizing musical chairs for you, doesn't mean you have the right to be miffed if your favourite kindergartner is asked to stay home.

...as if I am interested in having such despicable beings involved. btw.: your friends didn't show their productivity when needed.

guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.