Topic: bitfloor issues? - page 12. (Read 55577 times)

There are posts where debt being bought up so that one large party could find a solution were REFUSED.   I found that laughable and that is when I knew roman was a joke (when he decided that HE could stop people from buying and selling their own personal property).  Yes, when a company owes you money, it can be legally transferred to other parties whether Roman likes it or not.  It is obvious why he did not like that solution, it would make him ANSWER to someone and stop him from giving all his friend's preferential treatment when the next "event" happened (yes, taking deposits from strangers the same days you are "warning" your friends and letting them get their money out is not allowed in the US).   This money would have been all collected by the receiver (just like madoff's payouts were all collected and redistributed).   
But the real world is not so fun, it is actually a pain in the ass to deal with hassles like rules, regs and laws. 
The guy is a joke and acts like a teenager who totaled a car he borrowed and thinks hiding from it will make it all go away.   Tinkerbell syndrome.

Tell me who does not file a police report on a theft over $10,000 let alone what we are talking about here?
That is right, NO ONE.   Or someone who is also naive enough to be merging client money and

Do you have a link to the theft thread? I was under the impression that the theft happened while he was backing up and upgrading the Bitfloor server, the theft itself resulting from him putting a backup of the wallet file on an unsecured backup computer, meaning he was actually there, at the Bitfloor server, when the theft happened, not in London.

Also, while he did not do the debt transfers himself due to it having added liability and a ton of other issues, he did not have any objections to debt transfers. I know this, because I had someone else's debt transferred to me.

My part of that 2.8M wasn't a USD deposit. I brought some btc over to Bitfloor in November.. I think maybe 10btc at that time they were trading at $11! So my level of risk was negligible .. I won't event step up to a craps table in Vegas with less than a grand so I don't really feel like I was risking (or trusting) very much at all. I multiplied those btc many times over the following 5 or 6 months.. never once did I ever intend to withdraw USD from Bitfloor. I hate USD. As I've described before, the day that Bitfloor closed some people obviously knew in advance because suddenly BTC started selling for just about whatever price you could ask. I took advantage, sold 30btc and then Roman pulled the plug without any notice at all and here I am stuck with almost $4k fucking USD on hold for months.

Yep, I got hosed. But I try to look at it like I lost less than $200, rather than the $4k that he owes me. Doesn't help very much though.. I worked my ass off for those BTC

I thank god I only sold 30btc that day. I had more than 70 in my wallet there at the time he shut down. Yanked those out ASAFP

Bullshit.  Show the posts where Roman discussed anything.  He went to ground and has been unavailable ever since.

He explicitly rejected transfers of the debt.  He didn't offer any options for public investments, at a time when there were many operating exchanges.  He didn't propose any options other than eat your held bitcoins and smile.

If you want to accuse me of lies find some facts that support your story.

Of course you think that remaining in London and partying while a quarter million dollars of customer money was gone is appropriate, so there really is no point in attempting dialogue with you.  You've joined Icebreaker and Inaba on my ignore list.

I didn't come to Bitfloor until after the August heist, but I do remember being able to learn details about what happened, who's fault it was, what the new security policies would be and the plan to try and get people their money back. From what I can tell, that situation was handled infinitely better than the current situation, with regards to communication and general good will. I remember being impressed by Roman's proactive and considerate demeanor and I felt secure at least in the idea that the same sort of theft would be avoided moving forward.

Unfortunately, this time around it's like the guy could care less how anybody feels and I can only guess the difference is that last time he was interested in keeping customers and this time he's closed his business down so .. fuck the customers.

That bolded part is a total, complete, and absolute LIE. Yet you keep repeating it over and over again. Roman did discuss the options with the community, and did look for either investors, or for someone to buy up the debt. Numerous options were discussed, and all of them failed. Repaying the debt from Bitfloor's profits was the only option available to Roman. Just because you weren't around for that, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Please do not repeat that lie again.



#1 I don't know about. I don't remember hearing anything about a police report, so it may not have been filed.
#2 was disclosed in depth. Roman explained the whole situation, what happened, how things were stolen, and how he screwed up.
#3 was disclosed fully, including new security methods and precautions, possible solutions to recover money, and the details of the final solution settled on. I don't remember Roman partying in London at the time.

1. Police reports filed regarding theft
2. Details of how the site was compromised and a forensic evaluation of the attack vector
3. A detailed review of what actions Roman took to mitigate losses.  Continuing to party at the London conference are not the actions of a responsible man.

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The whole question is merely a sideshow.  I (and many others) were robbed.  Roman was a part of the vector for that theft.

I have serious doubts that anyone could ever offer you any argument, correct or otherwise, that would allow you to consider the possibility of you being wrong. Nevertheless professor, you were wrong.. and I forgive you.

You could be congenial here as well, without giving any ground. 

My previous comment was responsive to Minor Miner's question.  My view is that Minor is wrong underneath both aspects of his question:

1.  Roman did communicate, he has updated his web page with clear instructions.
2.  Roman has taken the one action that I care about:  he has relinquished control of the money to a credit union that is working to return it to us.

Despite that disagreement, my comment gives my opinion of why Roman isn't more visible: it directly responds to a question.  I cannot view your response, with the hostility and personal attacks and lack of congeniality, as a good arguement why I am wrong.

...and as always, though I clearly have a different view from Entropy, I find his comments articulate, on target, and they make me think.

Your previous comment had nothing to do with the communication that AudenX had with anyone. You directly insinuated that the people here on this forum, in voicing their concerns and opinions in the absence of any communication by Roman, somehow affected or potentially affected the progression of a solution to this issue and you were wrong to suggest so.

Obviously, anyone with direct communication with Roman or his lawyer is going to be as congenial as possible. After all, that's what communicating with a person does, it fosters understanding and congeniality. This is why everyone is so grateful for what AudenX did for us. He gave us information that Roman either refused to or simply didn't care to give us.

I think AudenX got results.  I think his communication focused on forward looking attempts to get our funds returned.  I think that focus helped generate an outcome that is beneficial to me, and to you.  I don't think those attempts would have worked if he had inserted personal attacks into the conversation.

What is an example of proof that might exist?

Yes, it does take a strong willed person to do the right thing over the easy and far more personally beneficial one?

Either way, just great to hear that its confirmed by the bank that they will be processing these, which is great.

it takes a strong willed person to do the right thing? wow

you should approach Roman about partnering with him on his next business venture. you could make millions getting away with everything that the law technically allows you to

Couldn't agree more with this one. It takes a strong willed person to return 2.8 mil to a bunch of angry, name calling, disrespectful, personally threatening people.

Especially since it's not even really his personal responsibility since it's an LLC.

sympathy and respect are a two way street.. none received, none given

understanding requires information.. none received, no understanding

FUD is only possible, and occurs quite naturally, in a vacuum of sympathy, respect and understanding

for someone who is a "professor" i find your wisdom sorely lacking

to insinuate that any amount of blame for how Roman has handled this falls on any of the victims of his fiasco is both ignorant and unconscionable

you should be ashamed to suggest otherwise but that would require you to actually have some compassion, which obviously you don't

you are a smug, uppity little professor who's opinion is based more on what you think you can teach people than anything else

Roman Shtylman is a hero!! go ahead, say it.. you know you want to because it's the opposite of what anyone else is thinking and everybody else is stupid, right?

We, bitfloor's customers got robbed.  Technically Roman says he got robbed, but never posted any proof of that.  Then he just handed people IOUs and refused to discuss any of numerous options to mitigate the damage.

Why anyone would trust Roman with anything worth more than a stick of gum after that will always be a mystery to me.

You mean, he gets robbed, then his bank closes his account and it takes lawyers and 3rd party help at an international conference to find 1 credit union that will work with him, we have no sympathy, respect, or understand, and furthermore we spread FUD, and wonder why he follows his lawyer's advice and keeps mostly quiet?

I dunno.  Maybe I can figure it out after a while.

(no, I didn't talk to his lawyer.  I have talked to my lawyers several times over the decades.  They all advise to keep quiet.)

Might have something to do with the way people have been talking about him in this thread, like he's the antichrist or something.

If I were him I wouldn't be going out of my way either.  We're lucky he's stuck with it this long.

I have less than $3k in my account.  Much less actually. 

When I try to withdraw I receive "Internal server error"

has this been addressed yet?  I've emailed support twice.  Once a week ago (after waiting several days to see if the problem went away) and once more today.