Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" - page 52.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 26, 2016, 02:43:41 AM

IMO that might mean the death of Avalon, as they'll be WAY too late to market given the probability of multiple 14/16nm full custom machines hitting the market this year.

Highly unlikely, they've got more than enough money to sit this generation out or go OEM for a while. We don't get any sense of how large they are because so much of their sales are domestic.

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Quote from: Akarabzie on January 25, 2016, 10:20:56 AM

would like to see what kind of efficiency Bitmain can push out with their S8/S9 or whatever their going to call it.

Probably S9, given their normal naming conventions.

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Any news on Avalon producing something in the 16nm realm?

Avalon announced about the same time they released the Avalon 6 that they had NO current plans for 14/16nm as they thought the technology was too immature.
IMO that might mean the death of Avalon, as they'll be WAY too late to market given the probability of multiple 14/16nm full custom machines hitting the market this year.

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If the price is sub $1800 however is may be worth it to get it early and just get to mining if its the first to hit the market.

Bitmain won't be first. Might be 3'd at best, from all of my reading - and I'm not betting on BitFury being first.

I don't count the B-Eleven (BW.com/Lketc) unit as it's NOT full custom and NO MORE EFFICIENT than the S7.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on January 24, 2016, 09:35:16 PM

what for a store?

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Oh yeah, March! After that comes April and miners ready in~June, halving in July!

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Quote from: dogie on January 25, 2016, 10:30:16 PM

Quote from: adaseb on January 25, 2016, 09:27:44 PM

At least we finally have a date. March 2016. Only a month away or so.

I think its a bit optimistic and while we'll likely have an entire fleet of machines announced, I can't see anyone but Bitfury themselves having a unit ready. I mean the OEMs are only just getting test chips now so unless they use the reference design and work flat out...

Also that immersion fluid is crazy. To give you an example of just how dense those chips are: If you could make a hot plate surface out of them (all pushed together), it would be a nearly 7,000W burner compared to ~1,500W of normal.

HOT DOG!

Sorry couldn't help it.
Yes, crazy but about time. All those millions and no R&D on cooling, sheesh.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 25, 2016, 09:27:44 PM

At least we finally have a date. March 2016. Only a month away or so.

I think its a bit optimistic and while we'll likely have an entire fleet of machines announced, I can't see anyone but Bitfury themselves having a unit ready. I mean the OEMs are only just getting test chips now so unless they use the reference design and work flat out...

Also that immersion fluid is crazy. To give you an example of just how dense those chips are: If you could make a hot plate surface out of them (all pushed together), it would be a nearly 7,000W burner compared to ~1,500W of normal.

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At least we finally have a date. March 2016. Only a month away or so.

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Part 3 - Testing with immersion cooling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbmuBvDWo0

144 GH per chip
Drawing 154w per TH

We could get easily 10TH miners drawing only 1.5KW which is a good deal nowadays, but I'm not sure if that is going to be good enough in March.

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Not sure I will want to buy into one of these until some of the competitors release their new line of products. would like to see what kind of efficiency Bitmain can push out with their S8/S9 or whatever their going to call it. Any news on Avalon producing something in the 16nm realm? If the price is sub $1800 however is may be worth it to get it early and just get to mining if its the first to hit the market.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on January 24, 2016, 09:35:16 PM

what for a store?

In the past you could by on their website: bitfurystrikesback.com . But it's off line for a while now, maybe they will bring it back up.

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what for a store?

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I'll probably have to wait for the store to open up, like all the other broke dudes. Sorry, no venture capital here. Dangit Bitfury, stop teasing us with really good stuff!

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Quote from: spazzdla on January 22, 2016, 02:46:21 PM

I really hope they call sidehack and work out some sort of deal.

NEW POD MINERS PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be sooo awesome.

If that does happen it wouldn't be much of a price war. $ for $ I would bet on sidehack's miner. Tired of inflated prices, yes even Gpu prices.

My risers are still sitting on the shelves.

They did mention pricing would be beat current offerings. Tongue

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I really hope they call sidehack and work out some sort of deal.

NEW POD MINERS PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be sooo awesome.

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Quote from: sidehack on January 22, 2016, 10:10:49 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on January 22, 2016, 03:00:05 AM

1384 had some SERIOUS competition out of Spondoolies "Rockerbox" based machines, especially the SP20.

True, until Bitmain price-warred SPTech into selling at a loss by about February and they gave up on the whole thing. Avalon4 was around longer than the SP20 but nobody outside China wanted to pay for 'em, which meant the S5 had pretty much no new-machine competition from about March until they stopped making 'em around September.

It was actually Spondoolies that decided to kill themselves with the price war, however Bitmain was happy to match with their significantly lower costs.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 22, 2016, 03:00:05 AM

1384 had some SERIOUS competition out of Spondoolies "Rockerbox" based machines, especially the SP20.

True, until Bitmain price-warred SPTech into selling at a loss by about February and they gave up on the whole thing. Avalon4 was around longer than the SP20 but nobody outside China wanted to pay for 'em, which meant the S5 had pretty much no new-machine competition from about March until they stopped making 'em around September.

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Quote from: baazju on January 22, 2016, 07:25:09 AM

I miss the old days before ASIC. But oh well, at least with all this investment in ASICs there is incentive to keep Bitcoin alive.

Riser cables, riser cables everywhere.

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I miss the old days before ASIC. But oh well, at least with all this investment in ASICs there is incentive to keep Bitcoin alive.

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Of course they do but they will "test" them for awhile until there is competition Wink

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Quote from: dogie on January 21, 2016, 07:58:11 PM

Quote from: sobe-it on January 21, 2016, 07:20:56 PM

I'm sure we all can agree Bitmain will drop their prices before the bitfury gear comes out.

I would take a guess that Bitfury's chip will probably compete against a new chip from Bitmain, I mean we're already 6 months into this generation and they don't usually last that long.

6 Months of S7's already?
But I basically agree, they for sure are having something in the pipeline. This ASIC business keeps being interesting!

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