Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" - page 56.

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Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks

My hope is that you guys get this to market sooner than later.. With the threat of bitcoin being taken over by china we need another place to buy miners that doesnt support them in their takeover..

We have to get mining decentralized once again!! china having over 70% hash is no good whatsoever. Bitfury if you would please turn on about 500 peta and help to get the network back in check Wink

would be nice if you didnt just fill chinese farms with this tech.. Let them have there 28 nm while the rest of the world gets a new leader in asic technology!! Wishing you all the luck in your journey!!!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41dizq/the_rbtc_china_dispatch_episode_3_block_size/

Read thru that article gives you a good perspective of how they arent the least bit concerned about anyone but themselves!

Best Regards
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This chip could be a boost for the home miner because power costs are more of an issue.

Here are some back of the envelope numbers:

1) Roughly, a 135 chip configuration spec would look like about 6.35 Th and consume about 535W (135 x 47Gh/chip, 135 x 3.6W +10% )

2) Now factory miners have very cheap power. At $0.02/kW/h, difference between this and an S7 just in power cost is about $0.36 per day. So the ROI isn't there purely in terms of power savings.

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Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: alienesb on January 16, 2016, 12:06:12 PM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 10:43:58 AM

Quote from: alienesb on January 16, 2016, 09:51:23 AM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 04:41:46 AM

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

What was the point announcing you're talking to them then?

To tell you that they are making an effort to sell their technology to Chinese miners?
Not so much as "announcing". Sometimes words just come to your lips and hard to swallow them back. One of such moments.

Are their miners to be made in China?

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Quote from: punin on January 17, 2016, 04:18:24 AM

Quote from: mavericklm on January 16, 2016, 10:38:49 PM

in the other thread it was April!

tomorrow it will be February!

Engineering chips are going to integrators already in February. So for a skilled and fast integrator I would say late march is possible. April is 100%.

... And what is the hashrate with heatsink and what's draining the chip?? Grin

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Quote from: mavericklm on January 16, 2016, 10:38:49 PM

in the other thread it was April!

tomorrow it will be February!

Engineering chips are going to integrators already in February. So for a skilled and fast integrator I would say late march is possible. April is 100%.

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If the specs on this chip are actually true, then this is an awesome announcement. Of course, as well as most others in this thread its probably a good idea to show a bit of skepticism towards BitFury's claims. Dogie said it better than anyone else at the beginning of this thread. What worries me is that the chip will be extremely expensive and that it will close off the possibility of it being viable for hobbyist miners, like me. I guess the fact that they are going with the lots of chips, instead of chips with higher hash rates makes things look a bit better.

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Well if the video is accurate, then it looks like we'll be having many more months of high difficultly adjustments.

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in the other thread it was April!

tomorrow it will be February!

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Quote from: QuintLeo on January 16, 2016, 05:22:07 PM

Quote from: HerbPean on January 16, 2016, 03:31:38 PM

Will hit the market in March

The chip will, or a miner / miners will?

Board was obviously a testbed prototype board, I'm not worried about that part.

Sounds like the next 3 months are going to be a bit busier than I was ALREADY anticipating.

i'm quoting what they said at the end of the video. I have no idea

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Quote from: HerbPean on January 16, 2016, 03:31:38 PM

Will hit the market in March

The chip will, or a miner / miners will?

Board was obviously a testbed prototype board, I'm not worried about that part.

Sounds like the next 3 months are going to be a bit busier than I was ALREADY anticipating.

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Quote from: dogie on January 16, 2016, 05:12:33 PM

Quote from: padrino on January 16, 2016, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: dogie on January 16, 2016, 12:00:14 PM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 11:41:44 AM

Quote from: carlosmnk on January 16, 2016, 10:46:09 AM

Quote from: alienesb on January 16, 2016, 09:51:23 AM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 04:41:46 AM

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? Huh

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

Spondoolies so they could share why their SP3X chips were under-performing in the first batch and Bitmain so that they know if confidential information or designs were leaked to other companies they'd be covered against anyone who could leak it (I wrote most of it). Everyone else I work with operates/ed under the honor system.

NDA's are scary as heck in this field. If you are buying bulk gear or a new gear like this them having a NDA is pretty common before public release. I love eric@haobtc's thread with pictures and sharing everything he has made me a fan. But I'm honestly surprised he was able to say he was in talks I would have guessed he was under a huge NDA.

Ultimately companies do not want someone to leak info an competition know gear in advance to be able to develop plans knowing so much. They would rather drop a new item to market and competition be scrambling.

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Quote from: dogie on January 16, 2016, 04:05:02 PM

Quote from: HerbPean on January 16, 2016, 03:31:38 PM

Will hit the market in March

That's a lot of sleeps away for industrial pricing, quite a gamble for the OEMs.

It does look still very much in prototype phase. That video was not showing a very clean board it looked like hacked together and it does work. It is interesting I figured they already had a working full miner.

I'm a little scared if they don't have a miner yet with all the added difficulty we have been having.

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Quote from: padrino on January 16, 2016, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: dogie on January 16, 2016, 12:00:14 PM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 11:41:44 AM

Quote from: carlosmnk on January 16, 2016, 10:46:09 AM

Quote from: alienesb on January 16, 2016, 09:51:23 AM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 04:41:46 AM

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? Huh

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

Spondoolies so they could share why their SP3X chips were under-performing in the first batch and Bitmain so that they know if confidential information or designs were leaked to other companies they'd be covered against anyone who could leak it (I wrote most of it). Everyone else I work with operates/ed under the honor system.

I'd turn it around and say what do Bitfury hope to hide under the NDA?

Chip availability? Well, its not as if anyone can react to a trillion PH being put on the network, you're either in the game or not.
Chip prices? ... Terrible for all, you can't even be sure if they're charging you more than the next man because they can.
Chip specs? ... We know them.
Chip documentation? ... Should be published with the devices anyway. How can the OEMs properly support their products if they've got to keep half the architecture a secret from the end user.

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Will this be a chance to make money with mining? Their pricing in the past makes me doubt it...

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Quote from: dogie on January 16, 2016, 12:00:14 PM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 11:41:44 AM

Quote from: carlosmnk on January 16, 2016, 10:46:09 AM

Quote from: alienesb on January 16, 2016, 09:51:23 AM

Quote from: Eric Mu on January 16, 2016, 04:41:46 AM

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? Huh

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

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Quote from: HerbPean on January 16, 2016, 03:31:38 PM

Will hit the market in March

That's a lot of sleeps away for industrial pricing, quite a gamble for the OEMs.

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Will hit the market in March

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Don`t invest more than you can afford to lose

expecting the price
I guess they will build a 20-25 TH miner with 1.2-1.5kw/ for 5000-6000$

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Quote from: MathewCNichols on January 16, 2016, 01:49:14 PM

Bitfury just released this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

For those on mobile:
Unheatsinked
(cold)
379mV
37GH
0.062 J/GH

379mV
39GH
0.063 J/GH

390mV
47GH
0.067 J/GH

394mV
52GH
0.070 J/GH

Higher power tests with heatsink uploaded later.

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Bitfury just released this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

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