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September 22, 2021, 05:35:10 AM
I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.

Canelo has not controlled his emotions that time and it might worked against him during the fight, I hope not.

Outside the ring, you can say anything you wanted to say and no rules prohibiting you to do that so i guess it would be just on fight night that Canelo would avenge everything that Caleb has said.

With what had happened during the press conference, I think tickets would be selling like hotcakes.
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September 22, 2021, 02:48:07 AM

Weird though to see Canelo's losing his cool on a press con, so I'm not sure if this was stage or not, but as you can see when he throw that left hook, it was not on a close fist but rather like a chop, a karate chop. But it took a damage on Caleb's face already, thus it will create an even greater hype for this upcoming fight. But the odds are not going to change, Canelo will still be the favourite to win this fight.

I think it was natural for Canelo to get emotional and throw a punch at Caleb Plant at the press conference, because at that time Caleb Plant had insulted Canelo's mother, I think the boxing committee should now forbid the fighters to say these things Bad things that are racist or insulting, religion and family in the faceoff session, but with this incident it is certain that the fight will be an exciting and bloody fight because of course Canelo will repay the insult with all his abilities in the ring later.
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September 22, 2021, 01:18:40 AM
It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.

Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?

Weird though to see Canelo's losing his cool on a press con, so I'm not sure if this was stage or not, but as you can see when he throw that left hook, it was not on a close fist but rather like a chop, a karate chop. But it took a damage on Caleb's face already, thus it will create an even greater hype for this upcoming fight. But the odds are not going to change, Canelo will still be the favourite to win this fight.
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September 21, 2021, 11:50:16 PM


Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?


I hope the cut will heal in time the organizers should have jump immediately when Canelo Push Caleb but they waited too long until the scuttle
it could have gone wrong if the left hook landed on Canelo's face, Canelo really has a very fast reflex, the left hook was fast enough to hit anyone even a good boxer because it's not telepathic.

I'm still surprised why they let the two alone on stage, that is not normal.

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September 21, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.

Don't know whether it was Caleb's idea, or he was forced in to it by the organizers. But from what I can see, Canelo refused to take the bait. He just focused on his training and preparations, completely ignoring the statements from Caleb. And I guess the entire episode may have had just the opposite effect of what was intended. It might have left Caleb even more frustrated. Now given all this, I really don't see any chance for Caleb to win. Odds are looking attractive, at +500 to +600, but what is the point if he has zero chance to win?
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September 21, 2021, 05:57:40 PM
Today was the first press conference and there was an altercation between the fighters. During this brawl Canelo was able to show his reflexes by avoiding Caleb's punch and landing his own shot that cut Plant's face. There is clearly some bad blood between these guys. If today was a preview of the actual fight then Plant could be in for a severe beatdown.

Yet many still believe that Caleb has a good chance against Canelo one of them is four-division champion Mikey Garcia

Mikey Garcia Believes Plant's Skills Give Him a Shot To Shock Canelo

It is still six weeks to go but these two guys want to get it on this early, Plant wants to get to Canelo's head with his trash-talking and he successfully did that at this conference I'm sure promoters and organizers will not allow this kind of face to face again.
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September 21, 2021, 05:09:45 PM
Today was the first press conference and there was an altercation between the fighters. During this brawl Canelo was able to show his reflexes by avoiding Caleb's punch and landing his own shot that cut Plant's face. There is clearly some bad blood between these guys. If today was a preview of the actual fight then Plant could be in for a severe beatdown.
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September 20, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
^^ Yes good odds for Caleb, but it's really hard to see him upsetting Canelo in this fight. Perhaps it will be competitive as Caleb will try to make the fight very close to the judges eye. And Canelo is slow started, but will make his move around 4-6 rounds or in the middle of the fight and we don't know if Caleb can deal with Canelo's power. So I would say  that smart money should be for Canelo in this fight.
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September 20, 2021, 06:59:30 PM
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.
Yes, it's really a bad move by Caleb to make his way to the fight and trash talk Canelo. He will pay dearly for it, Canelo doesn't talk but maybe deep inside he will surely aiming for the head and knock out Caleb if it presents itself. Caleb on the other hard is making himself into a deep position because how can you trash talk a fighter wherein he is destroying everyone in the path? And Caleb will not gather any support from the public, on the contrary he could be hated for this for the rest of his boxing career.
Canelo is an extremely disciplined fighter, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person that is going to let those provocations take him out of his game, but at the same time I think he's going to remember and when he's above that ring he's going to try to punish him for talking so much, so I think instead of going for the knockout immediately he's probably going to punch him on the body over and over again so he doesn't forget who is he fighting against and that Canelo is not someone that you take lightly.
He does his talking in the ring, that's what I admire so much about him. His opponent can talk trash about him but he will just continue training, focus on his game plan and during the fight night, he will do his usual job, which is to destroy an opponent. Caleb Plant better be aggressive inside too, not just talk trash outside trying to play mind games.

I'm expecting Caleb Plant is well prepared for this fight. We can expect he will be aggressive here. It's something an achievement already that he is facing a tough Canelo. Winning against this boxer will result in much fame, popularity, and future big contracts that he never experienced in his career.

But let's be real here, that's only "what if". I'm also one of the users here that thinks an upset will not happen.

Caleb Plant is currently at @5.60. Can't resist that odds for those gamblers who are looking for decent odds.
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September 20, 2021, 05:38:40 PM
I see only  small chance of upset since the preparation is long enough for Alvarez to learn more about the strategy and fighting skills of Plant. Let's wait and witness how things will end from this upcoming fight.

It's hard to believe that Canelo will struggle in this fight because all his fights after the Gennadiy Golovkin were all won by either TKO or UD. This is a statement that Canelo is on a different level while his opponent although has a good record is inferior to him.

Also hard for me to believe that there will be an upset in the fight. But who knows. I won't close the book right away. It's hard to bet on this fight if you are on Canelo's side. No options to bet unless want to risk a small amount for big returns or choose on what round Canelo will win which is riskier than betting on Caleb Plant.

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

I agree but we don't know if he's still in his shape in the next 5 years.

At his current age, we can still say that he is still on post-prime that's why we see him still at his best. Right now, it's a blessing for us to see him fighting continuously this year and I hope next year.

But we shouldn't look down on Caleb Plant. I consider him as a tough match for Canelo.

canelo is obviously the heavy favourite here by the bookies. wondering if there are bettors here that will place bet on caleb. and i am assuming, they will bet on caleb for the reason that odds are great, which can possibly give good payout at the end of the day.
but if canelo wins, he will further boost his value in boxing. at least see other interesting boxers in this gen once older ones like pacquiao retires.

Yes, there will always be a bettor for Caleb Plant especially his fans. And for the gambler's side, there are gamblers who like to test the risks as odds for Caleb Plant is great and attractive for them. Upset has a low chance to happen but the chance is still a chance for others no matter how small it is. On the other side, no profit much if betting for Canelo.
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September 20, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.

Yes, it's really a bad move by Caleb to make his way to the fight and trash talk Canelo. He will pay dearly for it, Canelo doesn't talk but maybe deep inside he will surely aiming for the head and knock out Caleb if it presents itself. Caleb on the other hard is making himself into a deep position because how can you trash talk a fighter wherein he is destroying everyone in the path? And Caleb will not gather any support from the public, on the contrary he could be hated for this for the rest of his boxing career.
Canelo is an extremely disciplined fighter, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person that is going to let those provocations take him out of his game, but at the same time I think he's going to remember and when he's above that ring he's going to try to punish him for talking so much, so I think instead of going for the knockout immediately he's probably going to punch him on the body over and over again so he doesn't forget who is he fighting against and that Canelo is not someone that you take lightly.
He does his talking in the ring, that's what I admire so much about him. His opponent can talk trash about him but he will just continue training, focus on his game plan and during the fight night, he will do his usual job, which is to destroy an opponent. Caleb Plant better be aggressive inside too, not just talk trash outside trying to play mind games.
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September 20, 2021, 01:12:49 PM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.

Yes, it's really a bad move by Caleb to make his way to the fight and trash talk Canelo. He will pay dearly for it, Canelo doesn't talk but maybe deep inside he will surely aiming for the head and knock out Caleb if it presents itself. Caleb on the other hard is making himself into a deep position because how can you trash talk a fighter wherein he is destroying everyone in the path? And Caleb will not gather any support from the public, on the contrary he could be hated for this for the rest of his boxing career.
Canelo is an extremely disciplined fighter, he doesn't seem to be the kind of person that is going to let those provocations take him out of his game, but at the same time I think he's going to remember and when he's above that ring he's going to try to punish him for talking so much, so I think instead of going for the knockout immediately he's probably going to punch him on the body over and over again so he doesn't forget who is he fighting against and that Canelo is not someone that you take lightly.
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September 20, 2021, 08:32:06 AM
Canelo is the obvious favorite here, but I don't see very heavy odds in his favor.

In Canelos previous fight against Billy Joe Saunders the odds were also "not very heavy in his favor". People also believed that Saunders can compete with Canelo on the same level, but the ref stopped Sauders beating. In my opinion, Sauders is stronger than Plant. Miracle wont happen this time. I see Canelo vs Plant fight follows same scenario and will end in 7-9 round.
I see only  small chance of upset since the preparation is long enough for Alvarez to learn more about the strategy and fighting skills of Plant. Let's wait and witness how things will end from this upcoming fight.

It's hard to believe that Canelo will struggle in this fight because all his fights after the Gennadiy Golovkin were all won by either TKO or UD. This is a statement that Canelo is on a different level while his opponent although has a good record is inferior to him.
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September 20, 2021, 05:57:58 AM
canelo is obviously the heavy favourite here by the bookies. wondering if there are bettors here that will place bet on caleb. and i am assuming, they will bet on caleb for the reason that odds are great, which can possibly give good payout at the end of the day.
but if canelo wins, he will further boost his value in boxing. at least see other interesting boxers in this gen once older ones like pacquiao retires.

Canelo is the obvious favorite here, but I don't see very heavy odds in his favor. Plant is still being given odds of +500 to +600 (Canelo is at -1000), which looks good IMO. The odds suggest that many of the sportsbooks believe that there is a (small) chance of upset. And I am sure that considerable number of people are going to make bets in favor of Plant. But it will be interesting to see in which direction the odds are going to move. The higher probability is that they will improve for Plant. By November, I expect the odds to be around +400.

BTW, odds for a draw is +2500. Looks attractive for me.
Bookies are doing their best to bring bettors into this fight, Plant @ 5.60 and Alvarez @ 1.09, really showing that the heavy favorite is still Canelo and for those risk takers Plant's odd is decent if upset happens.

Still have lots time and we may see adjustment depending on how the movements from bettors demands.

Canelo is the obvious favorite here, but I don't see very heavy odds in his favor.

In Canelos previous fight against Billy Joe Saunders the odds were also "not very heavy in his favor". People also believed that Saunders can compete with Canelo on the same level, but the ref stopped Sauders beating. In my opinion, Sauders is stronger than Plant. Miracle wont happen this time. I see Canelo vs Plant fight follows same scenario and will end in 7-9 round.
I see only  small chance of upset since the preparation is long enough for Alvarez to learn more about the strategy and fighting skills of Plant. Let's wait and witness how things will end from this upcoming fight.
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September 20, 2021, 02:54:39 AM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement. 

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

I agree but we don't know if he's still in his shape in the next 5 years.

At his current age, we can still say that he is still on post-prime that's why we see him still at his best. Right now, it's a blessing for us to see him fighting continuously this year and I hope next year.

But we shouldn't look down on Caleb Plant. I consider him as a tough match for Canelo.

I don't expect him to lose his shape and aggressiveness in the ring, well, I am not underestimating Caleb Plant as I know he also has power, and being an undefeated fighter, he should be respected. However, with the skills of Canelo, I don't really think he can beat him with his present style, I guess he should look at the weakness of Canelo which no one had found it yet.
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September 20, 2021, 02:30:39 AM
Canelo is the obvious favorite here, but I don't see very heavy odds in his favor.

In Canelos previous fight against Billy Joe Saunders the odds were also "not very heavy in his favor". People also believed that Saunders can compete with Canelo on the same level, but the ref stopped Sauders beating. In my opinion, Sauders is stronger than Plant. Miracle wont happen this time. I see Canelo vs Plant fight follows same scenario and will end in 7-9 round.
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September 19, 2021, 10:50:34 PM
canelo is obviously the heavy favourite here by the bookies. wondering if there are bettors here that will place bet on caleb. and i am assuming, they will bet on caleb for the reason that odds are great, which can possibly give good payout at the end of the day.
but if canelo wins, he will further boost his value in boxing. at least see other interesting boxers in this gen once older ones like pacquiao retires.

Canelo is the obvious favorite here, but I don't see very heavy odds in his favor. Plant is still being given odds of +500 to +600 (Canelo is at -1000), which looks good IMO. The odds suggest that many of the sportsbooks believe that there is a (small) chance of upset. And I am sure that considerable number of people are going to make bets in favor of Plant. But it will be interesting to see in which direction the odds are going to move. The higher probability is that they will improve for Plant. By November, I expect the odds to be around +400.

BTW, odds for a draw is +2500. Looks attractive for me.
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September 19, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement.  

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

I agree but we don't know if he's still in his shape in the next 5 years.

At his current age, we can still say that he is still on post-prime that's why we see him still at his best. Right now, it's a blessing for us to see him fighting continuously this year and I hope next year.

But we shouldn't look down on Caleb Plant. I consider him as a tough match for Canelo.

canelo is obviously the heavy favourite here by the bookies. wondering if there are bettors here that will place bet on caleb. and i am assuming, they will bet on caleb for the reason that odds are great, which can possibly give good payout at the end of the day.
but if canelo wins, he will further boost his value in boxing. at least see other interesting boxers in this gen once older ones like pacquiao retires.
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September 19, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement. 

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

I agree but we don't know if he's still in his shape in the next 5 years.

At his current age, we can still say that he is still on post-prime that's why we see him still at his best. Right now, it's a blessing for us to see him fighting continuously this year and I hope next year.

But we shouldn't look down on Caleb Plant. I consider him as a tough match for Canelo.
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September 19, 2021, 04:55:59 PM


I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.

After he beats Plant I don't see any more big opposition on his current weight category, Andrade, the Charlo brothers I don't think they can equal Canelo's speed and power and ring generalship, he is very successful inside and outside the ring, his being out of contracts from big promotions has made it possible to fight the best fighters, something we cannot see in the lower division where fights are made in house. 
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