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September 19, 2021, 04:30:21 PM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement. 

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.

I would not be surprised if he still continues to dominate for the next 5 years, if you look the way he fights, he is like an oiled machine that would not be tired in the 12 rounds, and not only that, he doesn't throw his punch without an aim, he is always on point and you can see how the quality of punches landed to his opponent, good example on that is on how he slowly destroy Billy Joe Saunders.
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September 19, 2021, 09:50:22 AM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement. 

Canelo still has a lot of time to prove that he can achieve more, Manny Pacquiao was still a champion at 40, so I don't think Canelo cannot achieve that if he will continue to take care of his body. Canelo is a type of boxer that never gets tired, he just wants to collect more cash as this is gonna be his 3rd fight this year alone.
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September 19, 2021, 09:23:27 AM
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.

And that will remain like that for the next 8-10 years at least. Not a big fan of Canelo Álvarez, but I have to admit that at this age (31 yrs) he has achieved more than almost any other professional boxer of recent times have achieved at a similar age. And he has a decade of professional boxing left in him, given that he maintains his fitness levels and stay out of injuries. I don't expect him to keep boxing until the 40s, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. Professional boxing is stressful and requires enormous effort. At some point he'll get tired of all this and may consider retirement. 
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September 19, 2021, 08:55:22 AM
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.

I don't think that the trilogy fight will ever happen. It is extremely difficult for the athletes to stay at their peak after 40, and GGG is inching closer to that level. He was ready for the fight, and wanted it scheduled at some point in 2019. It was Canelo who rejected the suggestion, after his controversial win in 2018. GGG is still a legend, but I really doubt whether he is still at the peak which he was in 2018-19. But Canelo need to take up the challenge, at least in 2022. Else it will remain as the sole negative point in his career.

I'm already convinced that Canelo will also become a legend, he is beating fighters now in his division, and he is winning in a very convincing manager. A boxer who is in his prime should face a boxer that is also in his prime for us to see a great fight, and with the opponents of Canelo now and in the past, I have not seen anyone yet who can give him a tough challenge.

He is already a legend in my opinion, he has beaten a lot of good fighters, potential HOF like Miguel Cotto and GGG and other good boxers like Kovalev, Daniel Jacobs, Lara and Kirland. But cleaning up the 160 lbs and then becoming the undisputed champion, holding all the major belts will just boost his legacy even higher.

Agree with that, and Canelo is still young, meaning he still has more fights to come that will add to his legacy. It looks like he is the most unbeatable fighter now because he is dominating in his division and anyone who likes to block his way gets easily eliminated.

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And his name will be in the discussion for the best 168 lbs who ever grace the boxing gloves.
That's for sure as everyone knows the name CANELO in boxing.
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September 19, 2021, 08:21:07 AM
I think the sole negative point will be his lost to Floyd, yes, he not giving a trilogy and waiting for GGG to age 40+ before accepting the fight will also be negative, but Floyd lamented the same, he is undefeated but still people will always find a way to bash his records for not facing a particular fighter during their primes, like the Pacquiao fight. Although he defeated Manny, but many will argue that Floyd should have face him when Manny was destroying everyone. Floyd fought Manny when he just come from a Marquez knock out. But in any case, a huge payday for the trilogy fight and even if GGG is 40++ by that time, he would accept it in a heart beat, but I don't expect it to be competitive as the the first two fights.

Canelo's loss to Floyd happened in 2013, when he was a clear underdog. But that was not the case in 2017 (Canelo vs GGG) and 2018 (Canelo vs GGG2). Also, in both the fights against GGG there were accusations about biased scoring. So the natural thing for Canelo to do was to accept the challenge from GGG and agree to a trilogy fight. But he refused to do that, which further emboldened the claim that his victory in 2018 was not clean. Maybe after 10 years, after he retire from professional boxing, Canelo may regret about it.
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September 19, 2021, 07:42:26 AM
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.

I don't think that the trilogy fight will ever happen. It is extremely difficult for the athletes to stay at their peak after 40, and GGG is inching closer to that level. He was ready for the fight, and wanted it scheduled at some point in 2019. It was Canelo who rejected the suggestion, after his controversial win in 2018. GGG is still a legend, but I really doubt whether he is still at the peak which he was in 2018-19. But Canelo need to take up the challenge, at least in 2022. Else it will remain as the sole negative point in his career.

I think the sole negative point will be his lost to Floyd, yes, he not giving a trilogy and waiting for GGG to age 40+ before accepting the fight will also be negative, but Floyd lamented the same, he is undefeated but still people will always find a way to bash his records for not facing a particular fighter during their primes, like the Pacquiao fight. Although he defeated Manny, but many will argue that Floyd should have face him when Manny was destroying everyone. Floyd fought Manny when he just come from a Marquez knock out. But in any case, a huge payday for the trilogy fight and even if GGG is 40++ by that time, he would accept it in a heart beat, but I don't expect it to be competitive as the the first two fights.
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September 19, 2021, 07:41:23 AM
I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
I tend to agree because Billy Joe was a good boxer but he still lose against Alvarez, so I feel it will be going a same result with this fight too. Both of boxer are training hard to win, Plant's need do more hard work twice or triple times than Alvarez if he want to win. As been said this is will be the biggest fight so far, I hope they're have fun on the ring.

Canela has been destroying anyone that comes in his ways. The perfect example of this is his fight against Billy. People thought that that might be an even soft fight and look what he has done to Billy. Caleb is clearly the underdog here and upsetting Canela right now is tougher than ever. Maybe 10 to 15% chance but no more than that.

For me the biggest test is GGG, it might be controversial on how both fight ends, but Canelo taking GGG's best shot and didn't even flitch, it's a sign that Canelo could destroy anyone in the 160-168 lbs. And he did, BJS is another classic example. The Brit is a natural super MW but Canelo beat him badly. So it's hard to think that Caleb Plant has a chance, highly unlikely that he can beat Canelo at his best weight class and this record of form and style of Alvarez.

As we can see on the betting odds, we know that the chance of Plant to upset Canelo is very low, I don't even see this going to distance if Plant is willing to engage and would try to KO Canelo. Plant being undefeated doesn't help him look good in this fight, in fact, people still think that this is an easy fight for Canelo.
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September 19, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.

I don't think that the trilogy fight will ever happen. It is extremely difficult for the athletes to stay at their peak after 40, and GGG is inching closer to that level. He was ready for the fight, and wanted it scheduled at some point in 2019. It was Canelo who rejected the suggestion, after his controversial win in 2018. GGG is still a legend, but I really doubt whether he is still at the peak which he was in 2018-19. But Canelo need to take up the challenge, at least in 2022. Else it will remain as the sole negative point in his career.

I'm already convinced that Canelo will also become a legend, he is beating fighters now in his division, and he is winning in a very convincing manager. A boxer who is in his prime should face a boxer that is also in his prime for us to see a great fight, and with the opponents of Canelo now and in the past, I have not seen anyone yet who can give him a tough challenge.

He is already a legend in my opinion, he has beaten a lot of good fighters, potential HOF like Miguel Cotto and GGG and other good boxers like Kovalev, Daniel Jacobs, Lara and Kirland. But cleaning up the 160 lbs and then becoming the undisputed champion, holding all the major belts will just boost his legacy even higher. And his name will be in the discussion for the best 168 lbs who ever grace the boxing gloves.
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September 19, 2021, 07:22:54 AM
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.

I don't think that the trilogy fight will ever happen. It is extremely difficult for the athletes to stay at their peak after 40, and GGG is inching closer to that level. He was ready for the fight, and wanted it scheduled at some point in 2019. It was Canelo who rejected the suggestion, after his controversial win in 2018. GGG is still a legend, but I really doubt whether he is still at the peak which he was in 2018-19. But Canelo need to take up the challenge, at least in 2022. Else it will remain as the sole negative point in his career.

I'm already convinced that Canelo will also become a legend, he is beating fighters now in his division, and he is winning in a very convincing manager. A boxer who is in his prime should face a boxer that is also in his prime for us to see a great fight, and with the opponents of Canelo now and in the past, I have not seen anyone yet who can give him a tough challenge.
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September 19, 2021, 12:11:00 AM
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.

I don't think that the trilogy fight will ever happen. It is extremely difficult for the athletes to stay at their peak after 40, and GGG is inching closer to that level. He was ready for the fight, and wanted it scheduled at some point in 2019. It was Canelo who rejected the suggestion, after his controversial win in 2018. GGG is still a legend, but I really doubt whether he is still at the peak which he was in 2018-19. But Canelo need to take up the challenge, at least in 2022. Else it will remain as the sole negative point in his career.
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September 18, 2021, 11:26:20 PM
I don't think that way honestly, no excuses, Canelo will be more criticize if he will not give GGG a chance to fight him. As of now, GGG is 39 years old, but have age is not a big problem if he maintains his body well with proper training and exercise, remember that Manny was the old champion in his division when he beats Thurman, he was 40 or 41 that time.
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.
But time is passing, even GGG is still fit and aggressive to fight, we cant deny that he is not getting any younger and changes is inevitable. It would be great to see Canelo and GGG for their third fight to push through (since Canelo is open for it to happen) but I dont think its going to be as exciting as before, they have 8 years age gap and we know younger boxer has more edge to win. Anyway that fight is still uncertain so better to focus on Canelo's upcoming fight to Caleb.
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September 18, 2021, 11:02:51 PM
I don't think that way honestly, no excuses, Canelo will be more criticize if he will not give GGG a chance to fight him. As of now, GGG is 39 years old, but have age is not a big problem if he maintains his body well with proper training and exercise, remember that Manny was the old champion in his division when he beats Thurman, he was 40 or 41 that time.
I tend to agree GGG is still prime even he's getting old, he has iron chin and can't be knocked out. I remember his fight with Steve Rolls, GGG's left jab was powerful and win KO'ed.
In his career he just draw and lost from Canelo, of course many people would still waiting their 3rd rematch. If both of them agreed to make more money from this match, it's not impossible will be happen in the future.
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September 18, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
Reasons that I can think of,

[1] Maybe he thinks that he will lost in the trilogy?
[2] He can't squeeze his body to 160 lbs?
[3] His team advice him to stay away from GGG?
[4] He doesn't want to give GGG his biggest paycheck?
[5] Wait for GGG to gets old before giving him a third fight.

It's not going to be a question of money, for sure he will get a lot from a third fight. So it remains a mystery to all of us boxing fans and we can only speculate.

I think the number 5 reason is the appropriate one lol. To date, GGG is already 38 years old (correct me if i'm wrong) and he is getting slower and not the old GGG we used to see that knocks his opponents out with ease. Even if they fight tomorrow, Canelo would still win because GGG is depreciating.

GGG is already 39 years old, and with his recent fight and performance, I will say that father time is slowly getting into him.

I think the reason why they delay/neglect a possible trilogy with GGG is that they are planning to be in the history books of unifying the four major belts in this division.

Yeah, but prior to that, they have unfinished business with GGG and the fans deserves another fight. They could have given that to us before these so called plans of unifying the four major belts in 168 lbs. Canelo even have to break with Oscar and even DAZN to get away from a GGG trilogy. LOL.
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September 18, 2021, 04:35:39 PM
I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG

As he said in his interview "he has beaten GGG already, there is nothing to prove anymore". Also he said that "he will rather give an opportunity for other boxers to have a title fight, then beating same guy twice".

But I think that Canelo is simply afraid to give a rematch. As he won GGG only with 2 point difference (115-113, 114-114, 115-113). That is not such a big advantage co claim he has beaten GGG. But I guess will might see Canelo vs GGG 3 only when they both finish their career and it will be an exhibition fight or the fight that wont get in their boxing record.

I have a doubt that he knows that GGG could beat him, if he is really good, why not give way to this fight that could potentially give him a lot of money compared to what he can make fighting the young fighters. Though they have already fought twice, people are still urging them to fight again as they weren't so convinced that the bout was won by Canelo, so for one last time, I hope Canelo will realized that it's the people who are asking it.

Time is running out, specially for GGG, as he is getting old. And if Canelo decided to fight him and won by a wide margin, then critics will say that he beat an old and past prime GGG, so Canelo won't get the accolade that he deserves. In any case, beating a young Caleb Plant and reunifying the division will cement his legacy even further. The only blemish in his record is a Floyd Mayweather lost, but there is also an excuse. He was still very young then when he fought a prime Mayweather. So it's cyclical, and only time can tell how great Canelo is.

I don't think that way honestly, no excuses, Canelo will be more criticize if he will not give GGG a chance to fight him. As of now, GGG is 39 years old, but have age is not a big problem if he maintains his body well with proper training and exercise, remember that Manny was the old champion in his division when he beats Thurman, he was 40 or 41 that time.
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September 17, 2021, 09:05:51 PM
I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG

As he said in his interview "he has beaten GGG already, there is nothing to prove anymore". Also he said that "he will rather give an opportunity for other boxers to have a title fight, then beating same guy twice".

But I think that Canelo is simply afraid to give a rematch. As he won GGG only with 2 point difference (115-113, 114-114, 115-113). That is not such a big advantage co claim he has beaten GGG. But I guess will might see Canelo vs GGG 3 only when they both finish their career and it will be an exhibition fight or the fight that wont get in their boxing record.

I have a doubt that he knows that GGG could beat him, if he is really good, why not give way to this fight that could potentially give him a lot of money compared to what he can make fighting the young fighters. Though they have already fought twice, people are still urging them to fight again as they weren't so convinced that the bout was won by Canelo, so for one last time, I hope Canelo will realized that it's the people who are asking it.

Time is running out, specially for GGG, as he is getting old. And if Canelo decided to fight him and won by a wide margin, then critics will say that he beat an old and past prime GGG, so Canelo won't get the accolade that he deserves. In any case, beating a young Caleb Plant and reunifying the division will cement his legacy even further. The only blemish in his record is a Floyd Mayweather lost, but there is also an excuse. He was still very young then when he fought a prime Mayweather. So it's cyclical, and only time can tell how great Canelo is.
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September 17, 2021, 08:36:07 PM
I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG

As he said in his interview "he has beaten GGG already, there is nothing to prove anymore". Also he said that "he will rather give an opportunity for other boxers to have a title fight, then beating same guy twice".

But I think that Canelo is simply afraid to give a rematch. As he won GGG only with 2 point difference (115-113, 114-114, 115-113). That is not such a big advantage co claim he has beaten GGG. But I guess will might see Canelo vs GGG 3 only when they both finish their career and it will be an exhibition fight or the fight that wont get in their boxing record.

The reason doesn't make any sense to me although he beat the same guy twice, that was close. If the other party is requesting a rematch and he thinks that something is needed in settlement to finally end the discussion, he should consider taking the rematch. 3 wins over 0 should settle the deal. Although he has a point that other boxers should enter the scene.

Back to the subject, Caleb Plant is now well-prepared and even more ready to the fight:

‘Caleb Plant Is More Than Ready [To Beat Canelo], Be Careful’

I hope not just hype. I'm expecting a close bout here even Canelo is a dominant one.
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September 17, 2021, 08:10:43 AM
I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG

As he said in his interview "he has beaten GGG already, there is nothing to prove anymore". Also he said that "he will rather give an opportunity for other boxers to have a title fight, then beating same guy twice".

But I think that Canelo is simply afraid to give a rematch. As he won GGG only with 2 point difference (115-113, 114-114, 115-113). That is not such a big advantage co claim he has beaten GGG. But I guess will might see Canelo vs GGG 3 only when they both finish their career and it will be an exhibition fight or the fight that wont get in their boxing record.

I have a doubt that he knows that GGG could beat him, if he is really good, why not give way to this fight that could potentially give him a lot of money compared to what he can make fighting the young fighters. Though they have already fought twice, people are still urging them to fight again as they weren't so convinced that the bout was won by Canelo, so for one last time, I hope Canelo will realized that it's the people who are asking it.
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September 17, 2021, 07:41:20 AM
I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG

As he said in his interview "he has beaten GGG already, there is nothing to prove anymore". Also he said that "he will rather give an opportunity for other boxers to have a title fight, then beating same guy twice".

But I think that Canelo is simply afraid to give a rematch. As he won GGG only with 2 point difference (115-113, 114-114, 115-113). That is not such a big advantage co claim he has beaten GGG. But I guess will might see Canelo vs GGG 3 only when they both finish their career and it will be an exhibition fight or the fight that wont get in their boxing record.
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September 17, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Reasons that I can think of,

[1] Maybe he thinks that he will lost in the trilogy?
[2] He can't squeeze his body to 160 lbs?
[3] His team advice him to stay away from GGG?
[4] He doesn't want to give GGG his biggest paycheck?
[5] Wait for GGG to gets old before giving him a third fight.

It's not going to be a question of money, for sure he will get a lot from a third fight. So it remains a mystery to all of us boxing fans and we can only speculate.

I think the number 5 reason is the appropriate one lol. To date, GGG is already 38 years old (correct me if i'm wrong) and he is getting slower and not the old GGG we used to see that knocks his opponents out with ease. Even if they fight tomorrow, Canelo would still win because GGG is depreciating.

I think the reason why they delay/neglect a possible trilogy with GGG is that they are planning to be in the history books of unifying the four major belts in this division.

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September 17, 2021, 03:00:00 AM
Right now Caleb is enjoying his newfound fame and I don't want to predict anything for the match. Upsets have happened before, and it can happen in the future as well. Caleb is no cakewalk for Canelo.

He can only fully enjoy it if he beat Caleb he is the only one left with the other 168-pound belt, he will become the undisputed and lineal champion and it will be uncontested if he beat Plant, on this match Canelo has a lot to lose, but we all know Canelo he always comes to fight on every fight, the two fighters are on thrash talk this is to hype the fight, even if the fight is already hype I consider this fight as a contender for a fight of the year I hope it lives up to the boxing community's expectation.
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