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September 17, 2021, 01:47:42 AM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.

Yes, it's really a bad move by Caleb to make his way to the fight and trash talk Canelo. He will pay dearly for it, Canelo doesn't talk but maybe deep inside he will surely aiming for the head and knock out Caleb if it presents itself. Caleb on the other hard is making himself into a deep position because how can you trash talk a fighter wherein he is destroying everyone in the path? And Caleb will not gather any support from the public, on the contrary he could be hated for this for the rest of his boxing career.
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September 17, 2021, 01:23:06 AM
It's going to be a make or break for Caleb, he tries to wage a psychological war on Canelo, but it won't work in my opinion. He shows disrespect to Canelo by bringing up old and controversial accusations. I think Caleb has embrace his underdog status that's why he keeps on barking. But he wanted to be the on the bad side here, so no support from him from the boxing fans and maybe they are going to ridicule him when Canelo takes that 0 from him.

You never know how it is going to work out for Caleb. It can go both ways. Either it will backfire and Canelo will beat Caleb to pulp, or it may get Canelo provoked and he will deviate from his usual fight pattern (which may present Caleb with an opportunity to land one or two good punches that can have an impact on the outcome of the match). Right now Caleb is enjoying his newfound fame and I don't want to predict anything for the match. Upsets have happened before, and it can happen in the future as well. Caleb is no cakewalk for Canelo.
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September 15, 2021, 06:08:10 PM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.

It's going to be a make or break for Caleb, he tries to wage a psychological war on Canelo, but it won't work in my opinion. He shows disrespect to Canelo by bringing up old and controversial accusations. I think Caleb has embrace his underdog status that's why he keeps on barking. But he wanted to be the on the bad side here, so no support from him from the boxing fans and maybe they are going to ridicule him when Canelo takes that 0 from him.
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September 15, 2021, 05:36:02 PM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
If that is what they have been telling to Caleb then this is a huge mistake, it is obvious Canelo is going to have a lot of support from the public because as I said he carries himself in a respectful way, but there are many others that will dislike him simply because he is winning with such ease, so the only thing that Caleb needed to do was to embrace his status as the underdog and he would have gotten even more support, after all who does not like an underdog story? But I think he is shooting himself on the foot if his trash talking is actually being used to try to gather support for himself.
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September 15, 2021, 02:33:59 AM
^^ Probably it's a combination, there's not one reason that we can think of why Alvarez doesn't want the biggest fight of his career a trilogy against GGG. If he is confident that he can win a third fight and received a big paycheck because I don't think it will be a 50/50 split, why he decided to go up in weight and face less dangerous champions?
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September 14, 2021, 09:18:47 PM
And Canelo refused the trilogy fight against GGG. But I agree with you on Billy Joe Saunders. Canelo's win against him was clean and all the thrash talk couldn't prevent Saunders from getting knocked out (technically retired from the fight).

And that's what the fight with GGG more controversial, Canelo refuses to gave him a trilogy. GGG chases him in DAZN. Canelo break ups with Golden Boy and DAZN and the move to 168 lbs.

I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG, aside from Mayweather, only GGG gives him a little trouble but he still wins in the last fight. The first one was a draw, and then 2nd fight was a win by him, but it was still controversial so GGG was a trilogy and the fans are also asking for it, if he is really good and he does not fear anyone, maybe it's high time to make this fight happen before GGG will retire.

Reasons that I can think of,

[1] Maybe he thinks that he will lost in the trilogy?
[2] He can't squeeze his body to 160 lbs?
[3] His team advice him to stay away from GGG?
[4] He doesn't want to give GGG his biggest paycheck?
[5] Wait for GGG to gets old before giving him a third fight.

It's not going to be a question of money, for sure he will get a lot from a third fight. So it remains a mystery to all of us boxing fans and we can only speculate.
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September 14, 2021, 08:20:12 PM
And Canelo refused the trilogy fight against GGG. But I agree with you on Billy Joe Saunders. Canelo's win against him was clean and all the thrash talk couldn't prevent Saunders from getting knocked out (technically retired from the fight).

And that's what the fight with GGG more controversial, Canelo refuses to gave him a trilogy. GGG chases him in DAZN. Canelo break ups with Golden Boy and DAZN and the move to 168 lbs.

I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG, aside from Mayweather, only GGG gives him a little trouble but he still wins in the last fight. The first one was a draw, and then 2nd fight was a win by him, but it was still controversial so GGG was a trilogy and the fans are also asking for it, if he is really good and he does not fear anyone, maybe it's high time to make this fight happen before GGG will retire.

We don't know what's the real score on why Alvarez didn't want GGG the trilogy that he's asking; I agree that GGG really gives him a tough fight. Both fights are really hard to determine. Only judges can explain how they come up with the score that they gave.

For now Canelo should be more focus as Nov is nearing, and he needs to good preparation to beat Plant.

It will be a test for Plant if he has that caliber like GGG or a good strategy like Mayweather. Everything will be answered
when the fight happens.



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September 14, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
And Canelo refused the trilogy fight against GGG. But I agree with you on Billy Joe Saunders. Canelo's win against him was clean and all the thrash talk couldn't prevent Saunders from getting knocked out (technically retired from the fight).

And that's what the fight with GGG more controversial, Canelo refuses to gave him a trilogy. GGG chases him in DAZN. Canelo break ups with Golden Boy and DAZN and the move to 168 lbs.

I'm curious why Canelo does not want another big fight with GGG, aside from Mayweather, only GGG gives him a little trouble but he still wins in the last fight. The first one was a draw, and then 2nd fight was a win by him, but it was still controversial so GGG was a trilogy and the fans are also asking for it, if he is really good and he does not fear anyone, maybe it's high time to make this fight happen before GGG will retire.
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September 14, 2021, 04:31:40 AM
For me the biggest test is GGG, it might be controversial on how both fight ends, but Canelo taking GGG's best shot and didn't even flitch, it's a sign that Canelo could destroy anyone in the 160-168 lbs. And he did, BJS is another classic example. The Brit is a natural super MW but Canelo beat him badly. So it's hard to think that Caleb Plant has a chance, highly unlikely that he can beat Canelo at his best weight class and this record of form and style of Alvarez.

I have posted manytimes before. The Canelo vs GGG and Canelo vs GGG2 fights were very controversial. On both the occasions, GGG was ahead on the scorecards of independent observers like CBS Sports and BBC Sports.

Yeah, but the judges are the one that makes it's official, so we as boxing fans are shocked to see how the first fight ends.

But the judges thought otherwise. At the most, I would admit that both the fights ended in a draw.

First fight for me, was Canelo, the second one, it could go either way, unfortunately, judges have it for Canelo.

And Canelo refused the trilogy fight against GGG. But I agree with you on Billy Joe Saunders. Canelo's win against him was clean and all the thrash talk couldn't prevent Saunders from getting knocked out (technically retired from the fight).

And that's what the fight with GGG more controversial, Canelo refuses to gave him a trilogy. GGG chases him in DAZN. Canelo break ups with Golden Boy and DAZN and the move to 168 lbs.
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September 13, 2021, 11:45:33 PM
For me the biggest test is GGG, it might be controversial on how both fight ends, but Canelo taking GGG's best shot and didn't even flitch, it's a sign that Canelo could destroy anyone in the 160-168 lbs. And he did, BJS is another classic example. The Brit is a natural super MW but Canelo beat him badly. So it's hard to think that Caleb Plant has a chance, highly unlikely that he can beat Canelo at his best weight class and this record of form and style of Alvarez.

I have posted manytimes before. The Canelo vs GGG and Canelo vs GGG2 fights were very controversial. On both the occasions, GGG was ahead on the scorecards of independent observers like CBS Sports and BBC Sports. But the judges thought otherwise. At the most, I would admit that both the fights ended in a draw. And Canelo refused the trilogy fight against GGG. But I agree with you on Billy Joe Saunders. Canelo's win against him was clean and all the thrash talk couldn't prevent Saunders from getting knocked out (technically retired from the fight).
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September 12, 2021, 10:20:21 PM
I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
I tend to agree because Billy Joe was a good boxer but he still lose against Alvarez, so I feel it will be going a same result with this fight too. Both of boxer are training hard to win, Plant's need do more hard work twice or triple times than Alvarez if he want to win. As been said this is will be the biggest fight so far, I hope they're have fun on the ring.

Canela has been destroying anyone that comes in his ways. The perfect example of this is his fight against Billy. People thought that that might be an even soft fight and look what he has done to Billy. Caleb is clearly the underdog here and upsetting Canela right now is tougher than ever. Maybe 10 to 15% chance but no more than that.

For me the biggest test is GGG, it might be controversial on how both fight ends, but Canelo taking GGG's best shot and didn't even flitch, it's a sign that Canelo could destroy anyone in the 160-168 lbs. And he did, BJS is another classic example. The Brit is a natural super MW but Canelo beat him badly. So it's hard to think that Caleb Plant has a chance, highly unlikely that he can beat Canelo at his best weight class and this record of form and style of Alvarez.
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September 12, 2021, 04:33:50 PM
I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
I tend to agree because Billy Joe was a good boxer but he still lose against Alvarez, so I feel it will be going a same result with this fight too. Both of boxer are training hard to win, Plant's need do more hard work twice or triple times than Alvarez if he want to win. As been said this is will be the biggest fight so far, I hope they're have fun on the ring.

Canela has been destroying anyone that comes in his ways. The perfect example of this is his fight against Billy. People thought that that might be an even soft fight and look what he has done to Billy. Caleb is clearly the underdog here and upsetting Canela right now is tougher than ever. Maybe 10 to 15% chance but no more than that.

You are right about the probability, according to the odds which we can see in https://www.covers.com/boxing/canelo-plant-odds
Canelo Alvarez is -1,000, while Caleb Plant is +550, if we convert the odds to probability using a converter - https://www.aceodds.com/bet-calculator/odds-converter.html

the answer would be 90.9% implied probability, so that's even 9.1% chance for Caleb Plant to win.
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September 12, 2021, 02:44:54 PM
I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
I tend to agree because Billy Joe was a good boxer but he still lose against Alvarez, so I feel it will be going a same result with this fight too. Both of boxer are training hard to win, Plant's need do more hard work twice or triple times than Alvarez if he want to win. As been said this is will be the biggest fight so far, I hope they're have fun on the ring.

Canela has been destroying anyone that comes in his ways. The perfect example of this is his fight against Billy. People thought that that might be an even soft fight and look what he has done to Billy. Caleb is clearly the underdog here and upsetting Canela right now is tougher than ever. Maybe 10 to 15% chance but no more than that.
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September 12, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
Mostly the odds would tell on the possibility of an upset, the higher the odds of the underdog, the lower the chance of an upset, and we've seen that many times in the sports of boxing. However, as I say mostly, we should not only rely on the odds as sometimes the favorites is overvalued due to hype.

Odds also depend on the way gamblers bet. If a lot of people make bet on a particular athlete, then the sportsbooks will be forced to adjust the odds, in order to minimize their losses if he wins. We saw this during Manny Pacquiao vs Keith Thurman. When the match was announced, Thurman was the favorite, and Manny's odds were like +225. But then in the next few weeks, his fans made huge amount of bets in his favor and this forced the gambling sites to change their odds. If I am not wrong, a few days before the fight, the odds had improved to around -150 for Manny.
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September 12, 2021, 08:50:02 AM
it's still fun to bet on the underdog with the odds that is very rewarding, however, we all know that Canelo is unbeatable at the moment, so I might just throw a little dollars for this fight.
Plant will be a huge underdog here, of course the odds will be very rewarding and it's always fun to bet on huge underdog since it's unexpected and much more adrenaline to see an upset. But IMO if you want to bet on an underdog, make sure there's a good possibility of an upset.


Mostly the odds would tell on the possibility of an upset, the higher the odds of the underdog, the lower the chance of an upset, and we've seen that many times in the sports of boxing. However, as I say mostly, we should not only rely on the odds as sometimes the favorites is overvalued due to hype.
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September 12, 2021, 12:02:28 AM
I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
I tend to agree because Billy Joe was a good boxer but he still lose against Alvarez, so I feel it will be going a same result with this fight too. Both of boxer are training hard to win, Plant's need do more hard work twice or triple times than Alvarez if he want to win. As been said this is will be the biggest fight so far, I hope they're have fun on the ring.

it's still fun to bet on the underdog with the odds that is very rewarding, however, we all know that Canelo is unbeatable at the moment, so I might just throw a little dollars for this fight.
Plant will be a huge underdog here, of course the odds will be very rewarding and it's always fun to bet on huge underdog since it's unexpected and much more adrenaline to see an upset. But IMO if you want to bet on an underdog, make sure there's a good possibility of an upset.
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September 11, 2021, 10:47:46 PM
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.

LOL.. if Caleb was thinking that he'll get the public on his side with all the trash talk, then from the previous experience I have to say that he's wrong. Earlier he had some support from the fans, naturally because he's the underdog. But many of them would be repelled by the provocations from his side. That said, I don't know whether I should directly blame Caleb. Perhaps there is a chance that the organizers asked him to do that, in order to get some cheap publicity for the fight (I won't be surprised if that is true).
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September 11, 2021, 09:22:34 PM
Right, I can't remember who is the last man to reunify all the belts in the super middleweight division. But if Canelo win, then he will be in the records books as well for getting all the belts, another big accomplishment for him.

So yes, both are hungry, both are motivated to win. And then we have our own bets to put. But what's important is that they give us a good fight because this is highly anticipated by fight fans.

Being elevated as the undisputed champion is a big target for Canelo. That's perhaps the reason why he is focusing on the fight so much, and ignoring the thrash talk by Caleb Plant. Actually it is nice to see him training so hard, not taking the opponent casually (even with the odds so heavily stacked up in his favor). And this makes him different when compared to many of the other boxing legends. And for me, I was initially planning to make a bet in favor of Plant. However, with each passing day his chances of an upset win seems to be nearing zero.

That's too much, if that's what you think then I guess it's almost impossible that Caleb will take an upset here. As for me, I think the chance of Caleb is around 20% or 20/100, it's still fun to bet on the underdog with the odds that is very rewarding, however, we all know that Canelo is unbeatable at the moment, so I might just throw a little dollars for this fight.

I don't know, but for me, Caleb's chances might be 10% or less. Yes, Canelo is so much in focus of this fight and most probably grinding hard because it is for the record after all. Undisputed champion, and beat the hell out of everyone in this division, and the think it, many said that Billy Joe Saunders will have a good chance, but look at what he did, he totally destroyed Billy Joe and sent him to the hospital. So the chance of Canelo being upset here is near zero.
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September 11, 2021, 12:32:03 PM
Right, and now that he has Canelo's attention, it will be very bad for Caleb for bringing this as this is provoking Canelo. Alvarez has seen a lot and for sure he was not affected by it. And worst this can be his final motivation to really put a punishment on Caleb's big mouth. I'm seeing the best version of Canelo is this fight and I will not be surprised if the fight doesn't last a distance. So Caleb better be prepared now that he uses this strategy that will backfire on him.

Caleb has an enviable record in professional boxing until now (12 KOs out of his 21 wins, with no losses). But he has never faced an opponent of the caliber of Canelo. His last three opponents were Caleb Truax, Vincent Feigenbutz and Mike Lee (all three faced him for the IBF super middleweight title). These opponents can't even be compared to Canelo. And Caleb has again made some controversial statements. It is interesting that I haven't heard much from Canelo for the last few days. Caleb has been doing all the talk.
Canelo has never distinguished himself as a trash talker, he just prepares himself to the best of his ability and then he gives his best in the fight, so it is natural that Caleb is the one that feels the need to begin to talk and try to get the public on his side with all kind of remarks about the fight, but at the end of the day it does not matter, what matters is what you can do above the ring and I think Canelo is going to easily win this fight.
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September 10, 2021, 11:45:33 PM
Right, I can't remember who is the last man to reunify all the belts in the super middleweight division. But if Canelo win, then he will be in the records books as well for getting all the belts, another big accomplishment for him.

So yes, both are hungry, both are motivated to win. And then we have our own bets to put. But what's important is that they give us a good fight because this is highly anticipated by fight fans.

Being elevated as the undisputed champion is a big target for Canelo. That's perhaps the reason why he is focusing on the fight so much, and ignoring the thrash talk by Caleb Plant. Actually it is nice to see him training so hard, not taking the opponent casually (even with the odds so heavily stacked up in his favor). And this makes him different when compared to many of the other boxing legends. And for me, I was initially planning to make a bet in favor of Plant. However, with each passing day his chances of an upset win seems to be nearing zero.

That's too much, if that's what you think then I guess it's almost impossible that Caleb will take an upset here. As for me, I think the chance of Caleb is around 20% or 20/100, it's still fun to bet on the underdog with the odds that is very rewarding, however, we all know that Canelo is unbeatable at the moment, so I might just throw a little dollars for this fight.
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