Topic: [Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7 - page 13. (Read 3087 times)

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I do not think it makes any difference, if Canelo were to lose to Bivol would GGG be less interested in fighting Canelo at that point? I do not think so, and what about Canelo? He may even need the fight as a way to recover some of the reputation that he would lose under that scenario and then challenge Bivol again, this is why the victory of GGG was the key for the fight to happen, as a defeat at that point could have allowed Canelo to avoid him by claiming GGG was a shadow of his former self.

The point is not that GGG is less interested, but Canelo sees no point of making a third fight against GGG. For Canelo, GGG is already a beaten opponent. If Canelo looses to Bivol, I dont think fighting against GGG will be a recovery. Some might disagree, but I think that will be a step back for Canelo. Canelo would have gained, fame, if he would fight GGG if not same year, but at least in GGG. I think GGG will box for next few years only, maximum till 43. Only fans are interested in Canelo vs GGG third fight, but not both boxers.

Maybe Canelo thinks that way, but the fans do not and the fans matter, there are many fans that saw GGG winning at least one of those fights against Canelo and many are not happy with what happened with the judges, if Canelo did not cared at all about this then the fight with GGG would be completely out of his mind, but since that is not the case then we need to wonder why is that the case? And the most likely answer is that Canelo wants to show the fans that he can indeed beat GGG without leaving any room for doubt.

The fight is very controversial and for many years, Canelo has been haunted by it. Boxing writers continue to ask him why he didn't want to give GGG a third fight. And maybe he wanted to show who the real winner is but facing him in the trilogy. But we can talk about it later once he settled and win against his tougher opponent in Bivol next month.

Maybe Canelo becomes sick of everything and now finally decided to face GGG in a trilogy to end their saga. Much especially now that GGG won against Murata and added some titles on his, Canelo has no choice but to face GGG for the third time. You are right that before we talk or discuss the trilogy, Canelo should be the winner first of his upcoming fight against Dmitry Bivol. His opponent is also in his prime, the same as him. Canelo winning this fight will be the key to the trilogy with GGG but if he loses this, no more trilogy.

We should focus first on this fight before anything else. Bivol is not an easy opponent but Canelo should be able to handle him.

Canelo have no other option as well because for some reasons his fight against Ilunga Makabu has been cancelled and now that he's been offered a fight against a champion in Light-Heavyweight who also have a clean record but that deal also includes GGG on the contract and if he doesn't want to fight GGG for a trilogy then he also won't fighting Bivol. I have already said this in the past weeks that even if Canelo doesn't want a 3rd fight but he got no choice here but he is not worried because he personally knows that he can handle Bivol well and give GGG a 3rd fight before the man will retire (probably).

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Quote from: harizen on April 17, 2022, 07:41:52 PM

The fight is very controversial and for many years, Canelo has been haunted by it. Boxing writers continue to ask him why he didn't want to give GGG a third fight. And maybe he wanted to show who the real winner is but facing him in the trilogy. But we can talk about it later once he settled and win against his tougher opponent in Bivol next month.

Yes, Canelo doesn't want that trilogy as he already claimed he's the winner in 1st and 2nd fight. Nothing to prove anymore. But is that really a reason or Canelo just accepts the fact that GGG is the toughest opponent he fought in his prime?

I don't know what thing happened that makes Canelo change his mind, maybe pressure or just imagining how much the expected revenue that the trilogy will make if he accepts it and finally seal their chapter.

But yes, we can talk this more if he beats Bivol. If he will lose here, no trilogy will happen and GGG will move on to other opponents.

Maybe combination of both? He signed the biggest contract in boxing with DAZN when he separated with GBP. But the thing is, months after, GGG also signed with DAZN so it's just a matter of time that the network will set up this fight because they know that the revenue is going to be big. And so Canelo can't avoid it, and maybe he also think about the money in the table for him, and could be the second richest boxer behind Floyd.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 16, 2022, 12:41:14 PM

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I do not think it makes any difference, if Canelo were to lose to Bivol would GGG be less interested in fighting Canelo at that point? I do not think so, and what about Canelo? He may even need the fight as a way to recover some of the reputation that he would lose under that scenario and then challenge Bivol again, this is why the victory of GGG was the key for the fight to happen, as a defeat at that point could have allowed Canelo to avoid him by claiming GGG was a shadow of his former self.

The point is not that GGG is less interested, but Canelo sees no point of making a third fight against GGG. For Canelo, GGG is already a beaten opponent. If Canelo looses to Bivol, I dont think fighting against GGG will be a recovery. Some might disagree, but I think that will be a step back for Canelo. Canelo would have gained, fame, if he would fight GGG if not same year, but at least in GGG. I think GGG will box for next few years only, maximum till 43. Only fans are interested in Canelo vs GGG third fight, but not both boxers.

Maybe Canelo thinks that way, but the fans do not and the fans matter, there are many fans that saw GGG winning at least one of those fights against Canelo and many are not happy with what happened with the judges, if Canelo did not cared at all about this then the fight with GGG would be completely out of his mind, but since that is not the case then we need to wonder why is that the case? And the most likely answer is that Canelo wants to show the fans that he can indeed beat GGG without leaving any room for doubt.

The fight is very controversial and for many years, Canelo has been haunted by it. Boxing writers continue to ask him why he didn't want to give GGG a third fight. And maybe he wanted to show who the real winner is but facing him in the trilogy. But we can talk about it later once he settled and win against his tougher opponent in Bivol next month.

Maybe Canelo becomes sick of everything and now finally decided to face GGG in a trilogy to end their saga. Much especially now that GGG won against Murata and added some titles on his, Canelo has no choice but to face GGG for the third time. You are right that before we talk or discuss the trilogy, Canelo should be the winner first of his upcoming fight against Dmitry Bivol. His opponent is also in his prime, the same as him. Canelo winning this fight will be the key to the trilogy with GGG but if he loses this, no more trilogy.

We should focus first on this fight before anything else. Bivol is not an easy opponent but Canelo should be able to handle him.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 16, 2022, 12:41:14 PM

The fight is very controversial and for many years, Canelo has been haunted by it. Boxing writers continue to ask him why he didn't want to give GGG a third fight. And maybe he wanted to show who the real winner is but facing him in the trilogy. But we can talk about it later once he settled and win against his tougher opponent in Bivol next month.

Yes, Canelo doesn't want that trilogy as he already claimed he's the winner in 1st and 2nd fight. Nothing to prove anymore. But is that really a reason or Canelo just accepts the fact that GGG is the toughest opponent he fought in his prime?

I don't know what thing happened that makes Canelo change his mind, maybe pressure or just imagining how much the expected revenue that the trilogy will make if he accepts it and finally seal their chapter.

But yes, we can talk this more if he beats Bivol. If he will lose here, no trilogy will happen and GGG will move on to other opponents.

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I do not think it makes any difference, if Canelo were to lose to Bivol would GGG be less interested in fighting Canelo at that point? I do not think so, and what about Canelo? He may even need the fight as a way to recover some of the reputation that he would lose under that scenario and then challenge Bivol again, this is why the victory of GGG was the key for the fight to happen, as a defeat at that point could have allowed Canelo to avoid him by claiming GGG was a shadow of his former self.

The point is not that GGG is less interested, but Canelo sees no point of making a third fight against GGG. For Canelo, GGG is already a beaten opponent. If Canelo looses to Bivol, I dont think fighting against GGG will be a recovery. Some might disagree, but I think that will be a step back for Canelo. Canelo would have gained, fame, if he would fight GGG if not same year, but at least in GGG. I think GGG will box for next few years only, maximum till 43. Only fans are interested in Canelo vs GGG third fight, but not both boxers.

Maybe Canelo thinks that way, but the fans do not and the fans matter, there are many fans that saw GGG winning at least one of those fights against Canelo and many are not happy with what happened with the judges, if Canelo did not cared at all about this then the fight with GGG would be completely out of his mind, but since that is not the case then we need to wonder why is that the case? And the most likely answer is that Canelo wants to show the fans that he can indeed beat GGG without leaving any room for doubt.

The fight is very controversial and for many years, Canelo has been haunted by it. Boxing writers continue to ask him why he didn't want to give GGG a third fight. And maybe he wanted to show who the real winner is but facing him in the trilogy. But we can talk about it later once he settled and win against his tougher opponent in Bivol next month.

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^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

That will be his gameplan but that may change on the fight night if he saw Canelo is using another technique, there will be a lot of strategy to each other's movement and surely Bivol will gather everything to defend his title successfully but knowing Canelo he won't give up easily and will always find a way to find that certain weakness of Bivol. Canelo is really unpredictable and that will be Bivol's biggest challenge and if he cannot read behind Canelo's movement, that same challenge will turn into his biggest nightmare.

Yeah, probably is, they know that they need a lot of head movement and feet because they shouldn't be a stationary because Canelo is going to target that head. But with a lot of feint and moving away from Canelo's strong hands, maybe the fight will go to distance or Bivol getting lucky by catching Canelo coming inside. But that is a small chance, Canelo's boxing IQ is also very high because of his experience fighting a lot of champions.

That's what I admire from him, he lights to fight the champion and take the risk, and the good thing is he beats them easily. He has improved as a fighter, and I don't see him losing anymore, even in the upcoming trilogy fight with GGG. The time is getting closer now, I'm excited to see the outcome as much as I am excited to see the Trilogy of the GGG- Canelo fight.

Indeed! It seems to me that Canelo Alvarez was born to be a star in the boxing industry because the way he fights really intrigued me and makes me watch his fights as he is always in his A-game and doesn't even give any chances to his opponents to hit a hard punch because his defense is really good. The good thing about Canelo is that he is constantly learning on every fights he had. Few weeks more before this fight will happen and eventually the trilogy will become into reality because I see that Bivol will be just a hindrance that Canelo will destroy on the way.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 12, 2022, 11:04:40 PM

I do not think it makes any difference, if Canelo were to lose to Bivol would GGG be less interested in fighting Canelo at that point? I do not think so, and what about Canelo? He may even need the fight as a way to recover some of the reputation that he would lose under that scenario and then challenge Bivol again, this is why the victory of GGG was the key for the fight to happen, as a defeat at that point could have allowed Canelo to avoid him by claiming GGG was a shadow of his former self.

The point is not that GGG is less interested, but Canelo sees no point of making a third fight against GGG. For Canelo, GGG is already a beaten opponent. If Canelo looses to Bivol, I dont think fighting against GGG will be a recovery. Some might disagree, but I think that will be a step back for Canelo. Canelo would have gained, fame, if he would fight GGG if not same year, but at least in GGG. I think GGG will box for next few years only, maximum till 43. Only fans are interested in Canelo vs GGG third fight, but not both boxers.

Maybe Canelo thinks that way, but the fans do not and the fans matter, there are many fans that saw GGG winning at least one of those fights against Canelo and many are not happy with what happened with the judges, if Canelo did not cared at all about this then the fight with GGG would be completely out of his mind, but since that is not the case then we need to wonder why is that the case? And the most likely answer is that Canelo wants to show the fans that he can indeed beat GGG without leaving any room for doubt.

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Canelo has only tasted a lose once in his whole boxing career and it was just a decision against Mayweather, and take note that that time Canelo is just 23 years old but managed to stood his ground against Mayweather, that alone is already a factor that Canelo is born and built for this industry and I don't have any doubts that he will stop at Bivol nor can be defeated against Bivol especially that he is still in the height of his prime.

Canelo really has all the advantages in this match. But for me, it's not that Dmitry Bivol is nothing. At least, he might give Canelo a tough match and not an overall dominance. They are both champions in their respective league and Canelo really targets Bivol therefore, the latter is really a big deal for him.

It's just around less than a month before this fight happened and all our speculations will now turn into reality.

I hope a close bout between these two and not a landslide victory.

I think we can see a close bout and not a landslide victory because Dmitry Bivol is the defending champion and it's not that he will give Canelo his position that easy. Canelo should work his way to covet this belt and as always I don't have any doubts against Canelo either because we have already saw how Canelo thinks inside the ring and his defense is as good as his offense, Bivol may struggle but it will be a close bout.

Being a defending champion does not guarantee anything, Canelo has beaten a lot of champions and he is good at doing that
this is not an extraordinary fight for Canelo, I thought the Plant fight will give him a hard time remember Plant is leading in the scorecard but he loses esteem in the latter rounds and Plant has a very good defense, has a great head movement can move around, can we expect this from Bivol, I don't think so he is a go for all-out a fighter and his offense is his defense.
All Canelo have to do is be a Canelo or do the same thing and its another paycheck and another victory ride.

I'm not saying that Bivol is guaranteed to win because he is the defending champion and he is more confident in this title because it is his division, what I'm trying to say is that this won't be an easy fight for Canelo but as always he can still and always will find a way to end the fight in his favor. We cannot really compare Caleb Plant to Dmitry Bivol because they didn't even fought in the past as they are in different weight class or division.

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Canelo needs to control the fight for him to win.

Like he always does, Canelo is in control of the fight from round 1 until the end of the fight. If saw all his fights, after the fight, his faced does look the same, I mean his opponent cannot land a solid punch to his face because he is very quick, he got the timing and he doesn't force the issue, his focus is just to win whether it's by decision or by KO.

Yes, as always and expected. Canelo will start slow to warm up while observing Bivol's movements and reach before starting his play, that's how he gain control each round because he is a man of focus and determination. He even doesn't look down or underestimate his opponents to avoid getting overwhelmed while fighting, Bivol may be hard to defeat but Canelo will always find way for that and maybe he can KO Bivol somewhere in late rounds.

He's so good observing his opponents and once he already calculated it all he will start to attack and be more aggressive to put his opponent down, we seen it from his old fights he is good in analyzing each moves that he needs to work both from his defense and offense, he still got that skills advantage though like what we all know Bivol is more harder than those former fights that he does from lower division but Canelo will find ways to have a better chance of winning this fight.

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^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

That will be his gameplan but that may change on the fight night if he saw Canelo is using another technique, there will be a lot of strategy to each other's movement and surely Bivol will gather everything to defend his title successfully but knowing Canelo he won't give up easily and will always find a way to find that certain weakness of Bivol. Canelo is really unpredictable and that will be Bivol's biggest challenge and if he cannot read behind Canelo's movement, that same challenge will turn into his biggest nightmare.

Yeah, probably is, they know that they need a lot of head movement and feet because they shouldn't be a stationary because Canelo is going to target that head. But with a lot of feint and moving away from Canelo's strong hands, maybe the fight will go to distance or Bivol getting lucky by catching Canelo coming inside. But that is a small chance, Canelo's boxing IQ is also very high because of his experience fighting a lot of champions.

That's what I admire from him, he lights to fight the champion and take the risk, and the good thing is he beats them easily. He has improved as a fighter, and I don't see him losing anymore, even in the upcoming trilogy fight with GGG. The time is getting closer now, I'm excited to see the outcome as much as I am excited to see the Trilogy of the GGG- Canelo fight.

Because of the good trainer and the people that surround Canelo as well. That's why it is a calculated risk in his side and then his trainer having a good game plan for him to win and Canelo executing it. And as he won against tougher opponents, he gains experience and the mental perseverance that's why he is the number 1 pound for pound now. Bivol will have to play perfect to win against a prime Canelo.

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^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

That will be his gameplan but that may change on the fight night if he saw Canelo is using another technique, there will be a lot of strategy to each other's movement and surely Bivol will gather everything to defend his title successfully but knowing Canelo he won't give up easily and will always find a way to find that certain weakness of Bivol. Canelo is really unpredictable and that will be Bivol's biggest challenge and if he cannot read behind Canelo's movement, that same challenge will turn into his biggest nightmare.

Yeah, probably is, they know that they need a lot of head movement and feet because they shouldn't be a stationary because Canelo is going to target that head. But with a lot of feint and moving away from Canelo's strong hands, maybe the fight will go to distance or Bivol getting lucky by catching Canelo coming inside. But that is a small chance, Canelo's boxing IQ is also very high because of his experience fighting a lot of champions.

That's what I admire from him, he lights to fight the champion and take the risk, and the good thing is he beats them easily. He has improved as a fighter, and I don't see him losing anymore, even in the upcoming trilogy fight with GGG. The time is getting closer now, I'm excited to see the outcome as much as I am excited to see the Trilogy of the GGG- Canelo fight.

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Quote from: robelneo on April 15, 2022, 11:15:22 AM

^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

That will be his gameplan but that may change on the fight night if he saw Canelo is using another technique, there will be a lot of strategy to each other's movement and surely Bivol will gather everything to defend his title successfully but knowing Canelo he won't give up easily and will always find a way to find that certain weakness of Bivol. Canelo is really unpredictable and that will be Bivol's biggest challenge and if he cannot read behind Canelo's movement, that same challenge will turn into his biggest nightmare.

Yeah, probably is, they know that they need a lot of head movement and feet because they shouldn't be a stationary because Canelo is going to target that head. But with a lot of feint and moving away from Canelo's strong hands, maybe the fight will go to distance or Bivol getting lucky by catching Canelo coming inside. But that is a small chance, Canelo's boxing IQ is also very high because of his experience fighting a lot of champions.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 15, 2022, 10:40:59 AM

Canelo has only tasted a lose once in his whole boxing career and it was just a decision against Mayweather, and take note that that time Canelo is just 23 years old but managed to stood his ground against Mayweather, that alone is already a factor that Canelo is born and built for this industry and I don't have any doubts that he will stop at Bivol nor can be defeated against Bivol especially that he is still in the height of his prime.

Canelo really has all the advantages in this match. But for me, it's not that Dmitry Bivol is nothing. At least, he might give Canelo a tough match and not an overall dominance. They are both champions in their respective league and Canelo really targets Bivol therefore, the latter is really a big deal for him.

It's just around less than a month before this fight happened and all our speculations will now turn into reality.

I hope a close bout between these two and not a landslide victory.

I think we can see a close bout and not a landslide victory because Dmitry Bivol is the defending champion and it's not that he will give Canelo his position that easy. Canelo should work his way to covet this belt and as always I don't have any doubts against Canelo either because we have already saw how Canelo thinks inside the ring and his defense is as good as his offense, Bivol may struggle but it will be a close bout.

Being a defending champion does not guarantee anything, Canelo has beaten a lot of champions and he is good at doing that
this is not an extraordinary fight for Canelo, I thought the Plant fight will give him a hard time remember Plant is leading in the scorecard but he loses esteem in the latter rounds and Plant has a very good defense, has a great head movement can move around, can we expect this from Bivol, I don't think so he is a go for all-out a fighter and his offense is his defense.
All Canelo have to do is be a Canelo or do the same thing and its another paycheck and another victory ride.

Why Caleb Plant's name has to be associated with the discussion? Dmitry Bivol's status is too far away from the Caleb Plant's status.

You are correct that being a defending champion does not guarantee everything therefore we can apply that same logic too for Canelo Alvarez that even he is good at beating some champions as you said, there's also no guarantee that he has the advantage compare to Bivol.

If you want Canelo be just a Canelo on the day of the fight, then Bivol has also has to be Bivol or much better to compete closely with Canelo.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 15, 2022, 10:40:59 AM

^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

That will be his gameplan but that may change on the fight night if he saw Canelo is using another technique, there will be a lot of strategy to each other's movement and surely Bivol will gather everything to defend his title successfully but knowing Canelo he won't give up easily and will always find a way to find that certain weakness of Bivol. Canelo is really unpredictable and that will be Bivol's biggest challenge and if he cannot read behind Canelo's movement, that same challenge will turn into his biggest nightmare.

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^^ From what I observed on Bivol's training videos in preparation on this fight, he seems to be very agile at his weight, uses a lot of feet, in and out and maybe this will be his strategy. But as you have said, can he maintain this during the duration of this fight? what if Canelo found a way to slow him down just like in the Caleb Plant fight wherein in the middle of fight, Canelo got his rhythm, and then slowly takes over the fight.

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Canelo has only tasted a lose once in his whole boxing career and it was just a decision against Mayweather, and take note that that time Canelo is just 23 years old but managed to stood his ground against Mayweather, that alone is already a factor that Canelo is born and built for this industry and I don't have any doubts that he will stop at Bivol nor can be defeated against Bivol especially that he is still in the height of his prime.

Canelo really has all the advantages in this match. But for me, it's not that Dmitry Bivol is nothing. At least, he might give Canelo a tough match and not an overall dominance. They are both champions in their respective league and Canelo really targets Bivol therefore, the latter is really a big deal for him.

It's just around less than a month before this fight happened and all our speculations will now turn into reality.

I hope a close bout between these two and not a landslide victory.

I think we can see a close bout and not a landslide victory because Dmitry Bivol is the defending champion and it's not that he will give Canelo his position that easy. Canelo should work his way to covet this belt and as always I don't have any doubts against Canelo either because we have already saw how Canelo thinks inside the ring and his defense is as good as his offense, Bivol may struggle but it will be a close bout.

Being a defending champion does not guarantee anything, Canelo has beaten a lot of champions and he is good at doing that
this is not an extraordinary fight for Canelo, I thought the Plant fight will give him a hard time remember Plant is leading in the scorecard but he loses esteem in the latter rounds and Plant has a very good defense, has a great head movement can move around, can we expect this from Bivol, I don't think so he is a go for all-out a fighter and his offense is his defense.
All Canelo have to do is be a Canelo or do the same thing and its another paycheck and another victory ride.

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