Topic: [Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7 - page 17. (Read 3087 times)

Quote from: harizen on April 03, 2022, 11:43:36 PM

the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I don't think that's the situation today. People are not treating Bivol as the enemy. It's just that putting Bivol or any Russian athletes into something uncommon treatment (not a bad one) will put pressure on the Russian President as their sports representative and athletes are now affected.

Yes, it's 100% unfair to the Russian athletes as most of them are also against the ongoing conflict but most countries are doing their best to slow down Russia as this war is a sh*t and the conflict is just between the leader's pride and not country vs country.

Regardless of the venue, the fight will surely generate big revenue. Both boxers' names are big in the boxing industry and there will always be fans that will spend money to watch this fight. Champion vs Champion, it will be jampacked.

I think the situation about these Russian athletes/fighters have cooled down a bit because we are not seeing any news about them not able to participate their specific sports and just like this fight, the sanctioning bodies have imposed a heavy implementation about this but later on they have changed their mind. To sum it all, it's much better this way that they can now participate because these Russian fighters like Bivol doesn't either support their president on its action, so it's only fair and just that they can continue their careers.

The T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas will surely be packed by the supporters of Bivol and especially Canelo. No doubt about that.

The hatred calm down because people are realizing that a lot of Russians are not supporting Putin's. So when it comes to sports, everyone should be equal. I don't think they will change the venue as the fight is about a month from now. People who want to watch need to book their flights/tickets. So would be a mess if they will change the venue last minute. I believe, they won't change it anymore, unless very important consideration is on hand, that changing the venue is the only solution.

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the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I don't think that's the situation today. People are not treating Bivol as the enemy. It's just that putting Bivol or any Russian athletes into something uncommon treatment (not a bad one) will put pressure on the Russian President as their sports representative and athletes are now affected.

Yes, it's 100% unfair to the Russian athletes as most of them are also against the ongoing conflict but most countries are doing their best to slow down Russia as this war is a sh*t and the conflict is just between the leader's pride and not country vs country.

Regardless of the venue, the fight will surely generate big revenue. Both boxers' names are big in the boxing industry and there will always be fans that will spend money to watch this fight. Champion vs Champion, it will be jampacked.

I think the situation about these Russian athletes/fighters have cooled down a bit because we are not seeing any news about them not able to participate their specific sports and just like this fight, the sanctioning bodies have imposed a heavy implementation about this but later on they have changed their mind. To sum it all, it's much better this way that they can now participate because these Russian fighters like Bivol doesn't either support their president on its action, so it's only fair and just that they can continue their careers.

The T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas will surely be packed by the supporters of Bivol and especially Canelo. No doubt about that.

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Quote from: Jating on April 02, 2022, 03:08:27 PM

the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I don't think that's the situation today. People are not treating Bivol as the enemy. It's just that putting Bivol or any Russian athletes into something uncommon treatment (not a bad one) will put pressure on the Russian President as their sports representative and athletes are now affected.

Yes, it's 100% unfair to the Russian athletes as most of them are also against the ongoing conflict but most countries are doing their best to slow down Russia as this war is a sh*t and the conflict is just between the leader's pride and not country vs country.

Regardless of the venue, the fight will surely generate big revenue. Both boxers' names are big in the boxing industry and there will always be fans that will spend money to watch this fight. Champion vs Champion, it will be jampacked.

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I definitely agree about that, these two boxers doesn't hold any grudge on each other nor they are representing Ukraine and Russia. Bivol and Canelo are just two famous boxers who are fighting for the belt and championship, the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I think moving the fight to Dubai could make sense, probably this is something that Canelo is not very happy about as there are a lot of Mexicans living at the US so he would be guaranteed to have the support of the public if the match took place there, but since the attendance could be compromised due to the nationality of Bivol then it makes sense to consider other avenues to hold the fight which will not have as much of a problem with the fact that Bivol is a Russian athlete.

I doubt that the fight will be moved to Dubai though, the money to be made in in the US based on Canelo's fans. This is scheduled on Cinco de Mayo or at least in that week wherein they are celebrating that holiday.

I think the boxing fans just wanted to see a good fight regardless of Bivol's nationality. And maybe if Bivol will make it a very interesting fight, like what we expect of him, perhaps there will be no animosity but just for pure entertainment for us.

I've read that before that they are considering to move this fight in UAE specifically in Dubai because of the said reasons as there is still conflict in Russia and Ukraine but when it's about money talks, they have figured out afterwards that it's more suitable if the fight will remain in its original location which is in Las Vegas.

By the way, the fight is on the 7th of May.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 02, 2022, 01:52:35 PM

I definitely agree about that, these two boxers doesn't hold any grudge on each other nor they are representing Ukraine and Russia. Bivol and Canelo are just two famous boxers who are fighting for the belt and championship, the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I think moving the fight to Dubai could make sense, probably this is something that Canelo is not very happy about as there are a lot of Mexicans living at the US so he would be guaranteed to have the support of the public if the match took place there, but since the attendance could be compromised due to the nationality of Bivol then it makes sense to consider other avenues to hold the fight which will not have as much of a problem with the fact that Bivol is a Russian athlete.

If that will help to promote this fight better for the promoters to consider that possibilities, though you are right Alvarez will have good numbers of crowd/fans if ever the fight will take place around US, but in good faith and consideration, Dubai will be a good place possible
to lessen or completely no hate for Bivol since he's a Russian nationality.

Let's wait if that will be considered or what will be the decision of the promoters regarding to this avenue. Whatever it takes seeing both inside the ring will be enough to entertain the fans.

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I definitely agree about that, these two boxers doesn't hold any grudge on each other nor they are representing Ukraine and Russia. Bivol and Canelo are just two famous boxers who are fighting for the belt and championship, the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I think moving the fight to Dubai could make sense, probably this is something that Canelo is not very happy about as there are a lot of Mexicans living at the US so he would be guaranteed to have the support of the public if the match took place there, but since the attendance could be compromised due to the nationality of Bivol then it makes sense to consider other avenues to hold the fight which will not have as much of a problem with the fact that Bivol is a Russian athlete.

I doubt that the fight will be moved to Dubai though, the money to be made in in the US based on Canelo's fans. This is scheduled on Cinco de Mayo or at least in that week wherein they are celebrating that holiday.

I think the boxing fans just wanted to see a good fight regardless of Bivol's nationality. And maybe if Bivol will make it a very interesting fight, like what we expect of him, perhaps there will be no animosity but just for pure entertainment for us.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 29, 2022, 07:59:22 PM

I definitely agree about that, these two boxers doesn't hold any grudge on each other nor they are representing Ukraine and Russia. Bivol and Canelo are just two famous boxers who are fighting for the belt and championship, the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

I think moving the fight to Dubai could make sense, probably this is something that Canelo is not very happy about as there are a lot of Mexicans living at the US so he would be guaranteed to have the support of the public if the match took place there, but since the attendance could be compromised due to the nationality of Bivol then it makes sense to consider other avenues to hold the fight which will not have as much of a problem with the fact that Bivol is a Russian athlete.

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Quote from: Roidz on March 29, 2022, 12:31:20 PM

I think the fight will test the mentality of the bivols in the ring , as we all know if the russian invasion of ukraine clearly affected the sport as it is today, and boos will probably still come out of the mouths of the crowd in that fight, but that's what bivol needs in the fight is to stay calm and focus on facing the opponent, I think maybe the promoter needs to carry out the fight behind closed doors so as not to cause anything bad from the audience, because I think the russian invasion of ukraine is a very sensitive subject right now on russian athletes .

That's what I'm thinking. Bivol is having that thing on his mind and even by 1%, it will still affect his mentality and purpose to win the fight against Canelo. He said in the interview that he has families and friends living in both Russia and Ukraine and those who live in the latter are always on his mind as they are the ones being attacked. Even he is a professional boxer, he's still a human being after all.

Since it's about months to go before the fight, I hope something miraculous will happen and will put an end to the ongoing conflict between Putin and Ukraine. Bivol and other Russian athletes will surely be happy about that and can remain focused now on their goals.

I also surely hope so that the conflict between Ukraine and Russia would end sooner not just because of Bivol's incoming but for those people who are in the middle of this conflicts and that Putin would come to his senses that it's not just the Ukrainian are victims but also his own citizens as well because the world leaders are putting tough sanctions to the Russia.

We cannot take away Bivol's feelings here even if he is a professional boxer because no one has been trained to go deaf or blind in this conflict, so as an ordinary human being, it's only natural that he is worried about his family, friends and relatives and sadly that will make a toll in his upcoming fight.

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An unfriendly crowd is expected in their fight especially if the Russia-Ukraine war is still hot during the day of the fight, there will be someone or group of people that will discourage Bivol on the said venue or even a loud booing will heard on his entourage. What he should do is cancel all that nonsense noise and we know that boxers are used to that even before that they will fight on the opponents soil, so he shouldn't be affected after all. I also hope that he can fight with all his best and give an entertain fight to the fans and people who waited for this.

The mentality of the Bivol fighter is ready to face the ridicule that hits the opponent's ground, but I'm afraid he's not ready to accept criticism about the Russo-Ukrainian war because it could disrupt his concentration. I hope the fans uphold sportsmanship not to involve him in conditions he doesn't want. Bivols should really focus on the boxing match for a fair fight result without booing the opponent excessively during the match.

Yeah, probably a very hostile crowd for Bivol because of the ongoing war. Nevertheless, as an athlete, he should learn how to shut down the noise around him and concentrate on the fight.

We can't control the crowd, who knows, maybe there will be pro Russians that is going to watch the fight live to cheer him . So just imagine how the crowd will behave, but hopefully there will be no untoward incident in the arena and there should be more securities around.

We can't control that the rivalry of racest is way deeper from these two nations. I like that idea Bivol should focus
in how to beat Alvarez, it's a sport that they can showcase their skills and prove how tough they are in this field, allowing Canelo to dominate him will give more confidence to knock him down.

It's too early to say, but both fighters are surely waiting for this fight and prove something personal.

Why personal? Is this fight even personal between the two athletes? I don't think so. There is nothing personal here except the challenge to be the better boxer. But this is not something as if their desire to defeat the other is born out of a personal hatred towards the other. There is nothing really personal about this fight. Canelo is not from Ukraine. And Bivol is not somebody who's willing to bomb a country to the ground. I think both Canelo and Bivol are acting only as boxers in this fight. Both of them don't have a beef with each other.

I definitely agree about that, these two boxers doesn't hold any grudge on each other nor they are representing Ukraine and Russia. Bivol and Canelo are just two famous boxers who are fighting for the belt and championship, the situation is just a coincidental which makes Bivol as the enemy in the eyes of people just because of the mere fact that he is Russian. Isn't that unfair? I think that's why they are considering to take this fight in Dubai because in that country, the people are neutral and have no beef on Bivol's nationality.

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That is an interesting point that I have not really thought about it before, however I really think that people are very understanding, as long as the organizers take the time to make clear about the posture of Bivol and several other Russian athletes that are against the war and which would be unjust to treat that way people will understand it and treat them properly

We as spectators have to judge the match from the professional factor between the two boxers, although Bivol is a Russian fighter but he is not involved with the politics of the Russo-Ukrainian war, so it's all about judging and criticizing only during boxing matches and not involving any external issues. I really hope the audience is wise and doesn't bring down the concentration of boxers (not just Bivol) during the match with inappropriate ridicule.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 26, 2022, 07:59:50 PM

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I hope this will push through this fight is already plan before the invasion, they have to sanction this fight and then decide for all coming fights that involve Russian fighter, it's depriving both fighters and the boxing community a well deserve fight, so many efforts and money will be wasted if this fight will not push through, I have respect for the Klitschko brothers but not on this one, we can boycott Russian boxers after this fight

We have good news already that the fight will push as it is supposed to be.

No change of plans or getting a sanctioned that it will be a non-title bout. Let's be positive on that and hope that the situation between Russia and Ukraine will be solved thru diplomacy as we don't other industries like sports to be affected by the ongoing conflict. Not all Russians, especially athletes, want the war in the first place that's why it seems unfair that they are dealing with the consequences that their President is doing.

Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol will take place on May 7 without a problem. They should let the fight just push without a problem.

Thank you very much for the information and this is great news, I am very happy that this fight is going smoothly, it is true what you say the Russian athletes are not interested in a war, in fact I think most people do not want it to happen war and that everything can be fixed quickly, if this is so many things can be straightened out, both sports and other things for Europe, gas, oil, among other things.

This fight will be very interesting, May 7 is practically already, a month passes very quickly and I think this will make it more interesting because in some way many will be expecting this fight.

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^^ Or better yet, let's just enjoy the fight whether we watch it live or PPV with friends. We are not there to judge Bivol being a Russian, he is a sports man and fighting for himself alone. It this is Olympics, yeah you are representing your country. But this is professional level now, everything is on the line, your dreams, and specially the money that he is going to earn. So it's better for him to concentrate on the fight and not be bothered by what's going on in his country.

Agree with it, sports should not be mixed with politics as it will kill the entertainment value we should be getting. Yes, we know that Bivol is a Russian, but should we hate all the Russians because of their actions invading the Ukraine, for me, that's very political and I cannot judge their actions and I'm sure hating all the Russians is not the solution to this war.

And for sure Bivol itself is not also in favor from that political action of the government, he's more on the sport side so like both of you, it's better to enjoy the fight, There's nothing we can do about the war but we can enjoy when these two boxers start throwing punches, the fans would love to see what both fighters have to offer. Looking forward to see value fight that really brings good entertainment to all the viewers and bettors.

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Without a doubt this is a good news, after all the possibility of the fight being canceled or delayed was real, as right now there is a very strong call to boycott anything and anyone that comes from Russia, so I applaud the decision of the WBA to keep sanctioning this fight as without a doubt it does not seem as if Bivol is in favor of the war and as such it would be unjust to punish him for something that is completely outside his control.

Actually, the world is just making sure that Russian athletes won't be harmed since not all people can understand the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. That's why on other sports, they ban Russian athletes. There might be a case that fans will throw shits to the Russian athletes in a certain event regardless if those are in favor or not in the war. That will be unfair treatment to them.

Here in Canelo vs Bivol fight, the venue will be on US soil and there might be fans on the venue that will treat Bivol badly. Although he's not totally lived in Russia, his hometown is part of the USSR. The US has backed up Ukraine and Bivol might end up not being respected by the fans on the day of the fight.

That is an interesting point that I have not really thought about it before, however I really think that people are very understanding, as long as the organizers take the time to make clear about the posture of Bivol and several other Russian athletes that are against the war and which would be unjust to treat that way people will understand it and treat them properly, after all those which oppose Putin and his policies inside Russia are our only hope to ever see Putin losing control over Russia, so we must encourage them and not punish them excessively.

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Quote from: yazher on March 30, 2022, 07:47:45 AM

Bivol has nothing to do with the current war and the other athlete who was trying hard to win a championship. they've been playing and enjoying their profession since before the war. It's not right that we put the blame on the country, or the race, especially the people who don't have anything to do with it. This upcoming fight it's all about sportsmanship and 2 boxers who wanted to prove to themselves and the others that they are stronger against each other. There's nothing personal or war crime involved, it's just pure sports.

Exactly and appropriately mate, Bivol has nothing to do with the war and he himself couldn't also afford to bother himself about it because he is a sporty man not a man in a war. I just do hope that this fight may push through despite of the incidents because sports like boxing is not related to war. Instead, Bivol should focus on the fight and focus on the training because his opponent Canelo Alvarez is known as an undefeated champion.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 30, 2022, 07:36:44 AM

Agree with it, sports should not be mixed with politics as it will kill the entertainment value we should be getting. Yes, we know that Bivol is a Russian, but should we hate all the Russians because of their actions invading the Ukraine, for me, that's very political and I cannot judge their actions and I'm sure hating all the Russians is not the solution to this war.

Bivol has nothing to do with the current war and the other athlete who was trying hard to win a championship. they've been playing and enjoying their profession since before the war. It's not right that we put the blame on the country, or the race, especially the people who don't have anything to do with it. This upcoming fight it's all about sportsmanship and 2 boxers who wanted to prove to themselves and the others that they are stronger against each other. There's nothing personal or war crime involved, it's just pure sports.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 30, 2022, 06:29:00 AM

^^ Or better yet, let's just enjoy the fight whether we watch it live or PPV with friends. We are not there to judge Bivol being a Russian, he is a sports man and fighting for himself alone. It this is Olympics, yeah you are representing your country. But this is professional level now, everything is on the line, your dreams, and specially the money that he is going to earn. So it's better for him to concentrate on the fight and not be bothered by what's going on in his country.

Agree with it, sports should not be mixed with politics as it will kill the entertainment value we should be getting. Yes, we know that Bivol is a Russian, but should we hate all the Russians because of their actions invading the Ukraine, for me, that's very political and I cannot judge their actions and I'm sure hating all the Russians is not the solution to this war.

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^^ Or better yet, let's just enjoy the fight whether we watch it live or PPV with friends. We are not there to judge Bivol being a Russian, he is a sports man and fighting for himself alone. It this is Olympics, yeah you are representing your country. But this is professional level now, everything is on the line, your dreams, and specially the money that he is going to earn. So it's better for him to concentrate on the fight and not be bothered by what's going on in his country.

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An unfriendly crowd is expected in their fight especially if the Russia-Ukraine war is still hot during the day of the fight, there will be someone or group of people that will discourage Bivol on the said venue or even a loud booing will heard on his entourage. What he should do is cancel all that nonsense noise and we know that boxers are used to that even before that they will fight on the opponents soil, so he shouldn't be affected after all. I also hope that he can fight with all his best and give an entertain fight to the fans and people who waited for this.

The mentality of the Bivol fighter is ready to face the ridicule that hits the opponent's ground, but I'm afraid he's not ready to accept criticism about the Russo-Ukrainian war because it could disrupt his concentration. I hope the fans uphold sportsmanship not to involve him in conditions he doesn't want. Bivols should really focus on the boxing match for a fair fight result without booing the opponent excessively during the match.

Yeah, probably a very hostile crowd for Bivol because of the ongoing war. Nevertheless, as an athlete, he should learn how to shut down the noise around him and concentrate on the fight.

We can't control the crowd, who knows, maybe there will be pro Russians that is going to watch the fight live to cheer him . So just imagine how the crowd will behave, but hopefully there will be no untoward incident in the arena and there should be more securities around.

Well, there's a possibility for the crowd to react that way but its better for him to just ignore and focus on the fight. He is a Russian, but he has nothing to do with the chaos happening between the two country so people should understand that. He is a boxer and his goal is to win and defend his title.

Anyway, Im more excited to see the victory for Canelo because there's a possibility that he will face GGG again (if ever GGG win his upcoming fight) that will be an exciting event.

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An unfriendly crowd is expected in their fight especially if the Russia-Ukraine war is still hot during the day of the fight, there will be someone or group of people that will discourage Bivol on the said venue or even a loud booing will heard on his entourage. What he should do is cancel all that nonsense noise and we know that boxers are used to that even before that they will fight on the opponents soil, so he shouldn't be affected after all. I also hope that he can fight with all his best and give an entertain fight to the fans and people who waited for this.

The mentality of the Bivol fighter is ready to face the ridicule that hits the opponent's ground, but I'm afraid he's not ready to accept criticism about the Russo-Ukrainian war because it could disrupt his concentration. I hope the fans uphold sportsmanship not to involve him in conditions he doesn't want. Bivols should really focus on the boxing match for a fair fight result without booing the opponent excessively during the match.

Yeah, probably a very hostile crowd for Bivol because of the ongoing war. Nevertheless, as an athlete, he should learn how to shut down the noise around him and concentrate on the fight.

We can't control the crowd, who knows, maybe there will be pro Russians that is going to watch the fight live to cheer him . So just imagine how the crowd will behave, but hopefully there will be no untoward incident in the arena and there should be more securities around.

We can't control that the rivalry of racest is way deeper from these two nations. I like that idea Bivol should focus
in how to beat Alvarez, it's a sport that they can showcase their skills and prove how tough they are in this field, allowing Canelo to dominate him will give more confidence to knock him down.

It's too early to say, but both fighters are surely waiting for this fight and prove something personal.

Why personal? Is this fight even personal between the two athletes? I don't think so. There is nothing personal here except the challenge to be the better boxer. But this is not something as if their desire to defeat the other is born out of a personal hatred towards the other. There is nothing really personal about this fight. Canelo is not from Ukraine. And Bivol is not somebody who's willing to bomb a country to the ground. I think both Canelo and Bivol are acting only as boxers in this fight. Both of them don't have a beef with each other.

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