[Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7 - page 20.

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Quote from: Natalim on March 24, 2022, 08:00:44 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 23, 2022, 06:50:57 PM

Upset Canelo? It's better if Canelo will be the one that has to upset Bivol.

Canelo is the one challenging him. Bivol is undefeated and just waiting for any challenge.

Yeah, it was Canelo who is the challenger but in the eyes of the fans, Canelo is the favorite to win here.
So on betting side, if Canelo would lose, it will be Bivol upsetting Canelo, while on the sports side, it's the opposite because of the position they are in now.

The same situation with the Pacman vs Ugas fight, although Ugas was the champion, but after the fight it was reported that Ugas upset Pacman in a fight because that's how the majority sees, they favor the popular fighter and some does not even know what belt these boxers are fighting for.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 23, 2022, 06:50:57 PM

Upset Canelo? It's better if Canelo will be the one that has to upset Bivol.

Canelo is the one challenging him. Bivol is undefeated and just waiting for any challenge.

Yeah, it was Canelo who is the challenger but in the eyes of the fans, Canelo is the favorite to win here.
So on betting side, if Canelo would lose, it will be Bivol upsetting Canelo, while on the sports side, it's the opposite because of the position they are in now.

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Quote from: Jating on March 24, 2022, 06:23:49 AM

You mean end it up on the judges hand by scoring the fight? Possible as Bivol has a good chin as well and this is his division so maybe he will have a fighting chance to extend the fight for full 12 rounds. But then again, he will be fighting on Cinco de Mayo, and Mexican holiday so it will be all Canelo Alvarez and I doubt that Bivol will be given the chance to win in the judges score card unless it is very clear that he had won, otherwise many will cry that it was an robbery. So as we have discussed, Bivol will have to win by KO in this match or a very believable win in the judges eye.

I believe Erep was referring to judges instead of referee, now going back, I do hope that this fight between Canelo Alvarez vs. Dmitry Bivol will be push through despite of the sanctions that richest countries proposing to Russia. I don't think so this kind of political crisis may affect the boxing career of Bivol. I do believe that this upcoming fight of Canelo will be a challenging fight for both fighter that's why they must need to focus on their respective training.

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Quote from: erep on March 24, 2022, 03:01:09 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on March 23, 2022, 07:53:46 PM

We can speculate but not on the topic if the fight will continue or not. If the fight failed, then it means we are also doomed as the conflict between Russia and Ukraine now becoming more sensitive and dangerous.

The fight between Canelo Alvarez and Dmitry Bivol will surely happen without a problem. No sanctions that it will be a non-title fight.

Let's be positive on that and we just have to share speculations on how they will fight.

The focus of the discussion is more effectively on speculation of fighting strategy in the boxing ring . I think the fight will continue and the team behind the scenes will work fully to find a solution, without sanctions and without changes to the match schedule. Although Canelo is far superior with a record 39 KO compared to Bivol, but Bivol fighting skills are so good lately that he will be the toughest challenger against Canelo in the match on 7 May, I'm not sure Canelo can add a record number of KO in that match, my prediction is that the match will end at the referee's decision.

You mean end it up on the judges hand by scoring the fight? Possible as Bivol has a good chin as well and this is his division so maybe he will have a fighting chance to extend the fight for full 12 rounds. But then again, he will be fighting on Cinco de Mayo, and Mexican holiday so it will be all Canelo Alvarez and I doubt that Bivol will be given the chance to win in the judges score card unless it is very clear that he had won, otherwise many will cry that it was an robbery. So as we have discussed, Bivol will have to win by KO in this match or a very believable win in the judges eye.

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 23, 2022, 07:53:46 PM

We can speculate but not on the topic if the fight will continue or not. If the fight failed, then it means we are also doomed as the conflict between Russia and Ukraine now becoming more sensitive and dangerous.

The fight between Canelo Alvarez and Dmitry Bivol will surely happen without a problem. No sanctions that it will be a non-title fight.

Let's be positive on that and we just have to share speculations on how they will fight.

The focus of the discussion is more effectively on speculation of fighting strategy in the boxing ring . I think the fight will continue and the team behind the scenes will work fully to find a solution, without sanctions and without changes to the match schedule. Although Canelo is far superior with a record 39 KO compared to Bivol, but Bivol fighting skills are so good lately that he will be the toughest challenger against Canelo in the match on 7 May, I'm not sure Canelo can add a record number of KO in that match, my prediction is that the match will end at the referee's decision.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 23, 2022, 02:46:10 PM

We will see if we can receive some good or bad updates next month as there could be some delays that will happen in line of the Russia and Ukraine conflict but I'm also looking forward just like you guys that this fight will happen in the exact scheduled date this 7th of May.

Other than that, worrying or speculating too much won't help.

We can speculate but not on the topic if the fight will continue or not. If the fight failed, then it means we are also doomed as the conflict between Russia and Ukraine now becoming more sensitive and dangerous.

The fight between Canelo Alvarez and Dmitry Bivol will surely happen without a problem. No sanctions that it will be a non-title fight.

Let's be positive on that and we just have to share speculations on how they will fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 23, 2022, 06:50:57 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 23, 2022, 03:45:53 PM

I've read that Dmitry Bivol is confident that he can upset Canelo Alvarez.

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On what he can do against Canelo that others couldn’t:
“I’m a different fighter. I’m a light heavyweight, I have good speed, I have good power. Every fighter is different. It means every fight will be different.”

On the keys to beating Canelo:
“To be honest, I just need to do my job, what I do best. It’s a good jab, good movement, and sometimes more pressure, sometimes go back. Everything I can do. If I do it well, I will win. I believe it.”

source

I have to disagree with the others that Bivol is the underdog in this match. Even odds tell that way, still Canelo is the guest here on Bivol's stage. He's already used on fighting at Light Heavyweight.

Upset Canelo? It's better if Canelo will be the one that has to upset Bivol.

Canelo is the one challenging him. Bivol is undefeated and just waiting for any challenge.

I guess it just how Canelo is destroying his every opponent in his last 5-6 fights. So odd makers have put Canelo as the favorite in this fight.

And although Bivol has been winning as well and undefeated and a champion, he hasn't face a fighter with Canelo's level. And he is mostly fighting in Europe wherein he is not exposed to any fighters with different styles. Canelo as well has fought once in 175 lbs and win against Kovalev. So the odds is stuck against Bivol. But if he upset Canelo then it will sent shock in the boxing world.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 23, 2022, 03:45:53 PM

I've read that Dmitry Bivol is confident that he can upset Canelo Alvarez.

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On what he can do against Canelo that others couldn’t:
“I’m a different fighter. I’m a light heavyweight, I have good speed, I have good power. Every fighter is different. It means every fight will be different.”

On the keys to beating Canelo:
“To be honest, I just need to do my job, what I do best. It’s a good jab, good movement, and sometimes more pressure, sometimes go back. Everything I can do. If I do it well, I will win. I believe it.”

source

I have to disagree with the others that Bivol is the underdog in this match. Even odds tell that way, still Canelo is the guest here on Bivol's stage. He's already used on fighting at Light Heavyweight.

Upset Canelo? It's better if Canelo will be the one that has to upset Bivol.

Canelo is the one challenging him. Bivol is undefeated and just waiting for any challenge.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 23, 2022, 02:46:10 PM

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Quote from: virasog on March 20, 2022, 01:21:51 PM

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We never know what it may happen, for example the US may forbid any Russian athletes to perform on their country forcing a relocation of the fight or its cancellation, sponsors may boycott the fight, the US fans of boxing are one of the main consumers of PPV and they may boycott the fight as well, the WBA could avoid sanctioning the fight and as such it would not be a title fight anymore, so when we think about all the things that could happen then we can see the fight could be canceled at any moment.

Lets not speculate things and remain positive until we see any official announcement of the cancellation of this match. This match is to be played on May 07, and by that time the conflict between Ukraine and Russia would be over and things would be normal by then.

Let us hope that is the case, I want to see this fight since Bivol is going to be a an interesting rival for Canelo, however it is undeniable that there is a risk the fight could be canceled, so while I agree that we must remain positive at the same time we cannot close our eyes to the truth, which is that the cancellation of the fight is a real possibility and it is something that could happen sooner or later whether we like it or not.

Nothing is certain and up to date there's no update to this fight, I also hope that it will proceed fans already missed Canelo and with this fight he will be test again, he's facing a much stronger and tougher opponent, he went up to this new division viewers expect him to adjust and with the fans; they are expecting him to be the same dominating fighter.

We will see that once the fight proceeds and both fighters are inside the ring, let see if how Canelo will adjust with the kind of opponent's Bivol like.

We will see if we can receive some good or bad updates next month as there could be some delays that will happen in line of the Russia and Ukraine conflict but I'm also looking forward just like you guys that this fight will happen in the exact scheduled date this 7th of May.

Other than that, worrying or speculating too much won't help.

Seems that there ain't something to worry about their upcoming fight because both camps are so silent and busy now preparing for the fight and also the match is scheduled this May so there's still a lot can happen in just a month like (hopefully) the war between the Russia and Ukraine will end.

I've read that Dmitry Bivol is confident that he can upset Canelo Alvarez.

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On what he can do against Canelo that others couldn’t:
“I’m a different fighter. I’m a light heavyweight, I have good speed, I have good power. Every fighter is different. It means every fight will be different.”

On the keys to beating Canelo:
“To be honest, I just need to do my job, what I do best. It’s a good jab, good movement, and sometimes more pressure, sometimes go back. Everything I can do. If I do it well, I will win. I believe it.”

source

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 23, 2022, 02:14:25 PM

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Quote from: virasog on March 20, 2022, 01:21:51 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 20, 2022, 12:54:09 PM

We never know what it may happen, for example the US may forbid any Russian athletes to perform on their country forcing a relocation of the fight or its cancellation, sponsors may boycott the fight, the US fans of boxing are one of the main consumers of PPV and they may boycott the fight as well, the WBA could avoid sanctioning the fight and as such it would not be a title fight anymore, so when we think about all the things that could happen then we can see the fight could be canceled at any moment.

Lets not speculate things and remain positive until we see any official announcement of the cancellation of this match. This match is to be played on May 07, and by that time the conflict between Ukraine and Russia would be over and things would be normal by then.

Let us hope that is the case, I want to see this fight since Bivol is going to be a an interesting rival for Canelo, however it is undeniable that there is a risk the fight could be canceled, so while I agree that we must remain positive at the same time we cannot close our eyes to the truth, which is that the cancellation of the fight is a real possibility and it is something that could happen sooner or later whether we like it or not.

Nothing is certain and up to date there's no update to this fight, I also hope that it will proceed fans already missed Canelo and with this fight he will be test again, he's facing a much stronger and tougher opponent, he went up to this new division viewers expect him to adjust and with the fans; they are expecting him to be the same dominating fighter.

We will see that once the fight proceeds and both fighters are inside the ring, let see if how Canelo will adjust with the kind of opponent's Bivol like.

We will see if we can receive some good or bad updates next month as there could be some delays that will happen in line of the Russia and Ukraine conflict but I'm also looking forward just like you guys that this fight will happen in the exact scheduled date this 7th of May.

Other than that, worrying or speculating too much won't help.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 23, 2022, 02:04:23 PM

Quote from: virasog on March 20, 2022, 01:21:51 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 20, 2022, 12:54:09 PM

We never know what it may happen, for example the US may forbid any Russian athletes to perform on their country forcing a relocation of the fight or its cancellation, sponsors may boycott the fight, the US fans of boxing are one of the main consumers of PPV and they may boycott the fight as well, the WBA could avoid sanctioning the fight and as such it would not be a title fight anymore, so when we think about all the things that could happen then we can see the fight could be canceled at any moment.

Lets not speculate things and remain positive until we see any official announcement of the cancellation of this match. This match is to be played on May 07, and by that time the conflict between Ukraine and Russia would be over and things would be normal by then.

Let us hope that is the case, I want to see this fight since Bivol is going to be a an interesting rival for Canelo, however it is undeniable that there is a risk the fight could be canceled, so while I agree that we must remain positive at the same time we cannot close our eyes to the truth, which is that the cancellation of the fight is a real possibility and it is something that could happen sooner or later whether we like it or not.

Nothing is certain and up to date there's no update to this fight, I also hope that it will proceed fans already missed Canelo and with this fight he will be test again, he's facing a much stronger and tougher opponent, he went up to this new division viewers expect him to adjust and with the fans; they are expecting him to be the same dominating fighter.

We will see that once the fight proceeds and both fighters are inside the ring, let see if how Canelo will adjust with the kind of opponent's Bivol like.

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Quote from: virasog on March 20, 2022, 01:21:51 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 20, 2022, 12:54:09 PM

We never know what it may happen, for example the US may forbid any Russian athletes to perform on their country forcing a relocation of the fight or its cancellation, sponsors may boycott the fight, the US fans of boxing are one of the main consumers of PPV and they may boycott the fight as well, the WBA could avoid sanctioning the fight and as such it would not be a title fight anymore, so when we think about all the things that could happen then we can see the fight could be canceled at any moment.

Lets not speculate things and remain positive until we see any official announcement of the cancellation of this match. This match is to be played on May 07, and by that time the conflict between Ukraine and Russia would be over and things would be normal by then.

Let us hope that is the case, I want to see this fight since Bivol is going to be a an interesting rival for Canelo, however it is undeniable that there is a risk the fight could be canceled, so while I agree that we must remain positive at the same time we cannot close our eyes to the truth, which is that the cancellation of the fight is a real possibility and it is something that could happen sooner or later whether we like it or not.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 22, 2022, 01:20:34 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 21, 2022, 07:18:59 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM

Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

Both camps should know the decision if this will be sanctioned or not because their preparation will only be wasted, and it's just wasting money. When they are in training, they give their effort to train hard, and not only that, they also spend money to pay for the venue and the people who work for the respective fighters.

Both camps now are so silent and quite like they are not that worried about the sanctioning of this fight and my personal opinions are that they already know that the fight will proceed as planned date but it's just maybe they are advised to stay silent for now by the bodies because the issues are still hot. They are just finding that right time when to say it because none of them can afford to cancel the fight now.

It could be, but just the same, this fight will proceed the sanctioning body will allow the fight to happen in the US. Maybe they are silent because they are busy training or just waiting the perfect time to talk about it as the fight gets closer. The sanctioning body will get money on this fight so it's a business, it's their lost if they won't allow their biggest champion to fight.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 21, 2022, 07:18:59 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM

Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

Both camps should know the decision if this will be sanctioned or not because their preparation will only be wasted, and it's just wasting money. When they are in training, they give their effort to train hard, and not only that, they also spend money to pay for the venue and the people who work for the respective fighters.

Both camps now are so silent and quite like they are not that worried about the sanctioning of this fight and my personal opinions are that they already know that the fight will proceed as planned date but it's just maybe they are advised to stay silent for now by the bodies because the issues are still hot. They are just finding that right time when to say it because none of them can afford to cancel the fight now.

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Quote from: og kush420 on March 19, 2022, 02:27:40 PM

I am not sure if this fight will happen. Although boxing fans are looking ahead for this fight but Bivol is Russian. And there are many chances that like many other sports this match will be cancelled as well. But let's hope for the best. In today's time safety of everyone is important than entertainment.

This fight will go on as plan because of the amount of money involved here. The only thing that some of the people have concern about is the sanctioning of this fight because of Bivol being a Russian. Some don't want this to be a title fight, some want to cancel but the promoters is keen on proceeding whether there is a belt or none as long as Canelo can fulfill what is written on the contract.

More or less, the promoters have a roughly 7 weeks to somehow arrange the fight to its final setting either if it's sanctioned or not, and if there will be a belt at stake because that is one of the main reasons too why Canelo have moved again in this division where Bivol is the champion. Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

I have a feeling though (personal opinion), that this fight is going to proceed as schedule. Both camps seems to be quiet, indication that they are in a serious training already as they will have 7 weeks to go And as the fights gets closer, we will see promotions and face-off and media interviews. So lets see how it pan out, there are so many factors at stake that this fight can't be moved.

Yes, seems this fight will go as scheduled even if there's a threat of sanctions in the fight and as you said, both camps are silent so that's a possible good sign that they're not worried because the fight will still go through. Aside from that, we know that behind the scenes both camps are also working on the legal side. Let's just think positive for this two boxer.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 21, 2022, 07:18:59 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM

Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

Both camps should know the decision if this will be sanctioned or not because their preparation will only be wasted, and it's just wasting money. When they are in training, they give their effort to train hard, and not only that, they also spend money to pay for the venue and the people who work for the respective fighters.

Indeed, it will be a waste of time, money and energy if there's a sanctioned that will be implemented due to Bivol's nationalities. We don't have any update here in regard to a possible cancellation of this fight. Hopefully, the organizer will give some enlightenment or provide information on what will be the possibilities.

Almost one more month and the fight will take place, preparations of both fighters is very important, though I understand that aside from camp's own money, they are also receiving money from their sponsors.

enough to cover those expenses and just in case delays or cancellation they are good to go.. Cool

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 19, 2022, 05:36:42 PM

Quote from: og kush420 on March 19, 2022, 02:27:40 PM

I am not sure if this fight will happen. Although boxing fans are looking ahead for this fight but Bivol is Russian. And there are many chances that like many other sports this match will be cancelled as well. But let's hope for the best. In today's time safety of everyone is important than entertainment.

This fight will go on as plan because of the amount of money involved here. The only thing that some of the people have concern about is the sanctioning of this fight because of Bivol being a Russian. Some don't want this to be a title fight, some want to cancel but the promoters is keen on proceeding whether there is a belt or none as long as Canelo can fulfill what is written on the contract.

More or less, the promoters have a roughly 7 weeks to somehow arrange the fight to its final setting either if it's sanctioned or not, and if there will be a belt at stake because that is one of the main reasons too why Canelo have moved again in this division where Bivol is the champion. Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

I have a feeling though (personal opinion), that this fight is going to proceed as schedule. Both camps seems to be quiet, indication that they are in a serious training already as they will have 7 weeks to go And as the fights gets closer, we will see promotions and face-off and media interviews. So lets see how it pan out, there are so many factors at stake that this fight can't be moved.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM

Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

Both camps should know the decision if this will be sanctioned or not because their preparation will only be wasted, and it's just wasting money. When they are in training, they give their effort to train hard, and not only that, they also spend money to pay for the venue and the people who work for the respective fighters.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 19, 2022, 05:36:42 PM

Quote from: og kush420 on March 19, 2022, 02:27:40 PM

I am not sure if this fight will happen. Although boxing fans are looking ahead for this fight but Bivol is Russian. And there are many chances that like many other sports this match will be cancelled as well. But let's hope for the best. In today's time safety of everyone is important than entertainment.

This fight will go on as plan because of the amount of money involved here. The only thing that some of the people have concern about is the sanctioning of this fight because of Bivol being a Russian. Some don't want this to be a title fight, some want to cancel but the promoters is keen on proceeding whether there is a belt or none as long as Canelo can fulfill what is written on the contract.

More or less, the promoters have a roughly 7 weeks to somehow arrange the fight to its final setting either if it's sanctioned or not, and if there will be a belt at stake because that is one of the main reasons too why Canelo have moved again in this division where Bivol is the champion. Either way as of now, the fight will happen on its scheduled date but the details is not yet fixed if this fight will be sanctioned or not.

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Quote from: Theones on March 19, 2022, 03:12:52 PM

Quote from: Jating on March 19, 2022, 03:04:47 PM

You can go back a few pages back and see that we have touch base this topic already.

We are now speculating on how Bivol can win against Canelo because it will be a very difficult task for him since Canelo seems to be very formidable at 160-175 lbs division, to that point that it seems that no one can beat him right now. So we are laying down potential scenarios on how Bivol can win but it will be a long shot and it's more of Canelo side screwing this up, but we don't see it happening as well.

I don't think there is much left in discussing this debate - both the boxers are great and they have their strengths, but like many things coming against Russia. This match will not be happening in near future. Boxing fans will definitely miss an interesting match. May this uncertainty ends soon

there is nothing we can do but to wait now because indeed as you said the Russia and Ukraine issues are still having an impact on anyone and anything dealing with Russia.
Bivol is currently in a dilemma but indeed he also can't do much now just wait and obey the rules. Regardless of what's happening now it's just a matter of waiting for regulations and decisions that will happen but as you said this is definitely not going to happen in the near future

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