[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu

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Quote from: molsewid on December 25, 2021, 01:39:06 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on December 24, 2021, 05:33:08 PM

Agree with that, because he won't become an undisputed champion if he is not seriously training in every game. I see him as a good example of a boxer, the discipline is there and he is very ambitious to achieve his goal, I mean he is trying to make history here and since he is still young, I expect him to achieve more success in the long run.

Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu is a good ifght to witness, but just like a regular fan, I'm going with Canelo who never fails to amazed me.

Canelo has a fighting spirit that always leads him to a victorious fight and that's why also he became the undisputed champion at the present time. Leveling up from his current division to CW will be going challenging for Canelo but for sure he and his team have been assessing and analyzing already if Canelo would be fit to level up his division. It is also undoubtedly that Canelo Vs. Makabu will be going to be one of the anticipated fights, it will going to be challenging for both fighters but like many of us here I am also going to be with Canelo.

That's also my position regarding to Canelo's decision. He and his camp did a deeper assessment before they decided to level up,
they see the potential that Canelo can take this challenge and still have a better chance in winning another title from this division
though the opponent is much tougher and the level of trainings is far heavier than from his current but it will be a good challenged
and a great achievement once he fulfill this new chapter of his career.

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Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

This is his first step actually, so he needs to win here so the other champions will consider Canelo a huge threat. Maybe they are still complacent now because they believe they are stronger than Canelo who is going up in weight, but once Canelo proved that to them, I'm sure things would change.

On the other hand this is a very good thing for Canello to show himself in a new class, when talking about experience, in this class Canello may lose but on the other hand it doesn't apply in the ring because indeed when in the ring what matters is punch and strength . who stands to the end, who is strong he wins.
this is Canello's first step and he has to be serious in his training this time, because this is a new class and he still hasn't fought with boxers in this class before so knowledge about each other's opponents can't be known much apart from watching their previous match

Canelo is always serious with this training that's why he became an undisputed champion in a division where he reign for many years. Now, trying to push himself to the limit, he is going to a heavier weight class and judging by the betting odds, you can tell that the fans are still supporting him and believing that he can still dominate here.

wherever he is always serious and ambitious in doing something and that is a positive point for him at this time.
for serious training is something he really must do at this time because indeed he is now in the spotlight because he managed to move up to a division that more than anyone else could imagine against him.
but of course we don't just look at Canelo even though he is a pretty good boxer, but also look at Makabu because he really won't be able to make Canelo swing smoothly at this time, especially since Makabu is one of the boxers who has a hard hit in my opinion. . Aside from this achievement is self-respect at stake

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Just inserting Eddie Hearn's opinion about Canelo's career jump on cruiserweight. Hearn is known to promote Canelo Alvarez, but their relationship is somewhat different, as far as I know there is no contract between them. It's that the Canelo chooses him at this point as his de-facto promoter.

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“I personally think Canelo should look to become undisputed at 175. And I think he can do it. To be undisputed in two weight classes will be incredible, and I think that’s a move that will be very exciting.

“So whether you’re Dmitry Bivol or whether you’re Joe Smith and whether you’re Artur Beterbiev, you hope that Canelo Alvarez will give you that call to give you the opportunity to be in a mega-fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/eddie-hearn-says-canelo-alvarez-resume-career-175--163028

As other's have been calling here, Canelo should stick to 175 lbs and become undisputed. And it will be history if he does become undisputed in 2 weight classes.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 25, 2021, 01:39:06 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on December 24, 2021, 05:33:08 PM

Agree with that, because he won't become an undisputed champion if he is not seriously training in every game. I see him as a good example of a boxer, the discipline is there and he is very ambitious to achieve his goal, I mean he is trying to make history here and since he is still young, I expect him to achieve more success in the long run.

Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu is a good ifght to witness, but just like a regular fan, I'm going with Canelo who never fails to amazed me.

Canelo has a fighting spirit that always leads him to a victorious fight and that's why also he became the undisputed champion at the present time. Leveling up from his current division to CW will be going challenging for Canelo but for sure he and his team have been assessing and analyzing already if Canelo would be fit to level up his division. It is also undoubtedly that Canelo Vs. Makabu will be going to be one of the anticipated fights, it will going to be challenging for both fighters but like many of us here I am also going to be with Canelo.

I don't know if it is true, but I read that Canelo was surprised to see that his trainer Eddie Reynoso proposes this fight during the WBC convention. So it really didn't come from Canelo itself, but the idea was Reynoso from the beginning.

But Canelo is his student so maybe he can't complain what the teacher wanted from his student. But for sure he knows Canelo's ability and he knows that he can win this fight in CW.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on December 24, 2021, 05:33:08 PM

Agree with that, because he won't become an undisputed champion if he is not seriously training in every game. I see him as a good example of a boxer, the discipline is there and he is very ambitious to achieve his goal, I mean he is trying to make history here and since he is still young, I expect him to achieve more success in the long run.

Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu is a good ifght to witness, but just like a regular fan, I'm going with Canelo who never fails to amazed me.

Canelo has a fighting spirit that always leads him to a victorious fight and that's why also he became the undisputed champion at the present time. Leveling up from his current division to CW will be going challenging for Canelo but for sure he and his team have been assessing and analyzing already if Canelo would be fit to level up his division. It is also undoubtedly that Canelo Vs. Makabu will be going to be one of the anticipated fights, it will going to be challenging for both fighters but like many of us here I am also going to be with Canelo.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 22, 2021, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on December 21, 2021, 11:30:42 AM

Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

This is his first step actually, so he needs to win here so the other champions will consider Canelo a huge threat. Maybe they are still complacent now because they believe they are stronger than Canelo who is going up in weight, but once Canelo proved that to them, I'm sure things would change.

On the other hand this is a very good thing for Canello to show himself in a new class, when talking about experience, in this class Canello may lose but on the other hand it doesn't apply in the ring because indeed when in the ring what matters is punch and strength . who stands to the end, who is strong he wins.
this is Canello's first step and he has to be serious in his training this time, because this is a new class and he still hasn't fought with boxers in this class before so knowledge about each other's opponents can't be known much apart from watching their previous match

Canelo is always serious with this training that's why he became an undisputed champion in a division where he reign for many years. Now, trying to push himself to the limit, he is going to a heavier weight class and judging by the betting odds, you can tell that the fans are still supporting him and believing that he can still dominate here.

Agree with that, because he won't become an undisputed champion if he is not seriously training in every game. I see him as a good example of a boxer, the discipline is there and he is very ambitious to achieve his goal, I mean he is trying to make history here and since he is still young, I expect him to achieve more success in the long run.

Canelo Alvarez vs. Ilunga Makabu is a good ifght to witness, but just like a regular fan, I'm going with Canelo who never fails to amazed me.

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Quote from: herurist on December 24, 2021, 11:02:30 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on December 22, 2021, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on December 21, 2021, 11:30:42 AM

Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

This is his first step actually, so he needs to win here so the other champions will consider Canelo a huge threat. Maybe they are still complacent now because they believe they are stronger than Canelo who is going up in weight, but once Canelo proved that to them, I'm sure things would change.

On the other hand this is a very good thing for Canello to show himself in a new class, when talking about experience, in this class Canello may lose but on the other hand it doesn't apply in the ring because indeed when in the ring what matters is punch and strength . who stands to the end, who is strong he wins.
this is Canello's first step and he has to be serious in his training this time, because this is a new class and he still hasn't fought with boxers in this class before so knowledge about each other's opponents can't be known much apart from watching their previous match

Canelo is always serious with this training that's why he became an undisputed champion in a division where he reign for many years. Now, trying to push himself to the limit, he is going to a heavier weight class and judging by the betting odds, you can tell that the fans are still supporting him and believing that he can still dominate here.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 22, 2021, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on December 21, 2021, 11:30:42 AM

Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

This is his first step actually, so he needs to win here so the other champions will consider Canelo a huge threat. Maybe they are still complacent now because they believe they are stronger than Canelo who is going up in weight, but once Canelo proved that to them, I'm sure things would change.

On the other hand this is a very good thing for Canello to show himself in a new class, when talking about experience, in this class Canello may lose but on the other hand it doesn't apply in the ring because indeed when in the ring what matters is punch and strength . who stands to the end, who is strong he wins.
this is Canello's first step and he has to be serious in his training this time, because this is a new class and he still hasn't fought with boxers in this class before so knowledge about each other's opponents can't be known much apart from watching their previous match

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Quote from: carlisle1 on December 21, 2021, 11:30:42 AM

Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

This is his first step actually, so he needs to win here so the other champions will consider Canelo a huge threat. Maybe they are still complacent now because they believe they are stronger than Canelo who is going up in weight, but once Canelo proved that to them, I'm sure things would change.

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Manny Pacquiao is the only 8th division worth champion, I guess Canelo is only 4 or 5 now? I think he cannot surpass the success of Pacquiao but his journey is still remarkable as he is the only fighter (correct me if I'm wrong) to try to dominate in heavyweight classes. Anyway, let's watch the result of his fight and judge his future afterward.

What do you mean by surpassing? Generally, Canelo's competition is much tougher but that is obvious because that is where he is capable of. Pacquiao on the other hand goes the same. If everything is just counting the winning titles per weight class, Canelo can start at a much lighter division when he started up. There's should be no room for comparison here. Look at Canelo, now in Cruiserweight where he is just supposed or keep staying in Light Heavyweight or Welterweight division.

No doubt about Alvarez's capabilities to dominate all that lower class if he starts from where Manny did.. Wink

What's Canelo's trying to do now is a great challenge to every fighter that has that goal to in writing their names with this sport.

If he wins this one and continues to fight from every division that he can move, he will retire his name with a legendary honor.

Still too early to conclude, he needs to be accomplished step by step..

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 20, 2021, 10:21:24 AM

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^^ Regardless of what Canelo path right now, he is carving his own name in the history books.

I don't think we have seen fighters moving from 154 to 190 - 200 lbs and fight for the Cruiserweight title. Many of them only reaches as high as super Middleweight and then Roy Jones to Heavyweight.

So Canelo Alvarez the first Mexican to ever to do this feat and we are all witness to it.

And I wish him success so I have something to tell my grandkids once Canelo will succeed in the path he is trying to cross now. We might just say it's an easy fight for him but in reality there's a big risk that he will lose as Cruiserweight champions throw heavier punches than the fighters in the division where Canelo had won an undisputed champ.

The fact that Canelo has a higher level of demand is what draws the most attention, and I think he does not have it very easy, what happens is that we have a scheme of a Canelo that can do everything, and he fights so well, that It makes it look very easy, for me Canelo wins, but it is true that it is a category that has more weight than him, and this can affect him, although as I said before, Canelo has privileged genetics compared to many boxers, Makabu is a good boxer, And although he is in another category of more weight, Canelo will be able to make a difference and continue writing history.

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From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

I hope so he will succeed. Cruiserweight is tough and there big names that he needed to fight in order to get that another top achievement in his career. If he is able to defeat Ilunga Makabu, those big names will be alarmed.

Step by step, I'm sure Canelo can make it. It's been a while since we saw a boxer with that kind of path. Let's follow what will happen to him.

I think Canelo is just testing the waters in Cruiserweight, if he succeeded then maybe he could stay. But if he felt that the weight is too much for him, perhaps he will go down to Light Heavy Weight and make it a home for himself.

And there's a lot of good champions in there, like Beterviev who just recently won by a knock out.

We also have Bivol holding the other belts.

He is testing like he is in his good comfort, why I'd say that? The betting line is very clear, he is the heavy favorite to win the fight although he has not won a single fight in this division, so people really believe he can make it and does not think much that Makabu can beat Canelo.

I think the odds are base on the fighters record itself and Canelo although moving up the division has the advantage as per sport makers because of his records of going up it weight and winning, just like in the Kovalev fight. He also clean up the super middle so that speaks for Canelo's record. So Makabu or anyone should be ready for Canelo now in their division as he might do the same (cleaning it up).

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From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

I hope so he will succeed. Cruiserweight is tough and there big names that he needed to fight in order to get that another top achievement in his career. If he is able to defeat Ilunga Makabu, those big names will be alarmed.

Step by step, I'm sure Canelo can make it. It's been a while since we saw a boxer with that kind of path. Let's follow what will happen to him.

I think Canelo is just testing the waters in Cruiserweight, if he succeeded then maybe he could stay. But if he felt that the weight is too much for him, perhaps he will go down to Light Heavy Weight and make it a home for himself.

And there's a lot of good champions in there, like Beterviev who just recently won by a knock out.

We also have Bivol holding the other belts.

He is testing like he is in his good comfort, why I'd say that? The betting line is very clear, he is the heavy favorite to win the fight although he has not won a single fight in this division, so people really believe he can make it and does not think much that Makabu can beat Canelo.

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Quote from: agustina2 on December 20, 2021, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 20, 2021, 01:06:50 PM

From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

I hope so he will succeed. Cruiserweight is tough and there big names that he needed to fight in order to get that another top achievement in his career. If he is able to defeat Ilunga Makabu, those big names will be alarmed.

Step by step, I'm sure Canelo can make it. It's been a while since we saw a boxer with that kind of path. Let's follow what will happen to him.

I think Canelo is just testing the waters in Cruiserweight, if he succeeded then maybe he could stay. But if he felt that the weight is too much for him, perhaps he will go down to Light Heavy Weight and make it a home for himself.

And there's a lot of good champions in there, like Beterviev who just recently won by a knock out.

We also have Bivol holding the other belts.

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Quote from: agustina2 on December 20, 2021, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 20, 2021, 01:06:50 PM

From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

I hope so he will succeed. Cruiserweight is tough and there big names that he needed to fight in order to get that another top achievement in his career. If he is able to defeat Ilunga Makabu, those big names will be alarmed.

Step by step, I'm sure Canelo can make it. It's been a while since we saw a boxer with that kind of path. Let's follow what will happen to him.

If Ilunga Makabu is defeated in this match against Canelo Alvarez, Canelo's boxing world will become significantly widened. His choices of opponents will become wider and wider. There will definitely be big names who will be interested to face Canelo knowing that he is still the same monster even in a much higher weight division. But it is interesting to see how Canelo would turn out in 190. That's an uncharted territory for him.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 20, 2021, 01:06:50 PM

From here, we all be witness with this new path that Alvarez is trying to walk on. His skills will be challenged and if he succeeds.
That's more likely the beginning of the new chapter of his career. Wink

I hope so he will succeed. Cruiserweight is tough and there big names that he needed to fight in order to get that another top achievement in his career. If he is able to defeat Ilunga Makabu, those big names will be alarmed.

Step by step, I'm sure Canelo can make it. It's been a while since we saw a boxer with that kind of path. Let's follow what will happen to him.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on December 20, 2021, 05:39:37 PM

Manny Pacquiao is the only 8th division worth champion, I guess Canelo is only 4 or 5 now? I think he cannot surpass the success of Pacquiao but his journey is still remarkable as he is the only fighter (correct me if I'm wrong) to try to dominate in heavyweight classes. Anyway, let's watch the result of his fight and judge his future afterward.

What do you mean by surpassing? Generally, Canelo's competition is much tougher but that is obvious because that is where he is capable of. Pacquiao on the other hand goes the same. If everything is just counting the winning titles per weight class, Canelo can start at a much lighter division when he started up. There's should be no room for comparison here. Look at Canelo, now in Cruiserweight where he is just supposed or keep staying in Light Heavyweight or Welterweight division.

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^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Nah man, certainly ain't going to agree about that. Canelo's footstep is going to be a much more different than Manny Pacquiao. Yes its sure looks like he's following but he sure knows that Pacquiao's footstep isn't easy to follow on or atleast be in his level and he also made it clear than he's going to make his own legacy than any other professional boxers. I think Canelo can continue what he plans, and by far Makabu and CW division is the toughest to step on.

Read this: www.dazn.com/en-US/news/amp/boxing/how-many-world-championships-has-saul-canelo-alvarez-won-a-full-list-of-his-major-title-wins/27afneqpuhbp1wjk08yfamjia

Manny Pacquiao is the only 8th division worth champion, I guess Canelo is only 4 or 5 now? I think he cannot surpass the success of Pacquiao but his journey is still remarkable as he is the only fighter (correct me if I'm wrong) to try to dominate in heavyweight classes. Anyway, let's watch the result of his fight and judge his future afterward.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 11:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Nah man, certainly ain't going to agree about that. Canelo's footstep is going to be a much more different than Manny Pacquiao. Yes its sure looks like he's following but he sure knows that Pacquiao's footstep isn't easy to follow on or atleast be in his level and he also made it clear than he's going to make his own legacy than any other professional boxers. I think Canelo can continue what he plans, and by far Makabu and CW division is the toughest to step on.

Read this: www.dazn.com/en-US/news/amp/boxing/how-many-world-championships-has-saul-canelo-alvarez-won-a-full-list-of-his-major-title-wins/27afneqpuhbp1wjk08yfamjia

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 17, 2021, 11:26:30 PM

^^ I do agree, he is following footsteps of Manny by going up in weight and winning belts.

Who is following Pacquiao's footsteps? Canelo? No way. He is not the type of boxer that will follow someone. He is creating his own journey and challenging on much higher division doesn't mean he is following Pacquiao's footsteps. They are also in a different league with Pacquiao.

What Canelo achieved or will achieve is his own legacy. He respects Pacquiao but does not follow him.

Maybe what he meant is that he wanted to have the same achievement as Manny does, winning multiple titles in different weights.

Manny has won 8 already as most boxing pundits put it, while Canelo is attempting his 5th in CW division but I think that's the most that he will got and could be in the company of some of the best boxers who have won 5 titles or more like Oscar or Floyd. Manny is on top though.

Pacquiao's achievements though is very hard to overcome or surpass, that man is the only one holding world title across eight different divisions while Floyd Mayweather is only holding world titles across four divisions same as Canelo, so yes this will be his 5th to attempt get another title in cruiserweight division.
Canelo's path is different as he said that he wants to unify the 5 belts in super-MW division, so that makes him a bit different to other pro boxers.

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