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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

But we love these boxers who try to defy Father time, but slowly, not just in boxing, and sooner or later they will have to face the reality that they are past heir prime already and this might be the fight that we might see GGG and say that. Maybe it's the way they really take care of their body and the advancement of sports medicine and not taking shots and damages that we see this boxers still fighting at 40's.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 09, 2022, 06:03:44 PM

Yeah, specially if those boxers are really into the war, wear and tear in their bodies.

Isn't it much better if these boxers are used to getting matches regularly?

Even though they are catching up in ages, as long as these boxers always fight regularly, for let's say an average of 1-2 fights per year, their strength and endurance will just maintain like they aren't aging.

Obviously, that statement of mind is not applicable anymore if we are talking about a boxer that is now around 40 years of age. That pretty sure have an effect already on a boxer's strength even if his fight is regular.

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Quote from: Botnake on June 09, 2022, 02:55:32 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

That may be true but GGG and Donaire is incomparable, the only identical for the both boxers is they are both approach 40 and 40's. Aside from that, GGG have made his own legacy while Donaire have made his own too but they belong in completely different leagues. GGG may lose this trilogy but Canelo won't have that much hype because he didn't gave GGG his deserved rematch for years and now his giving it because he is now sure that he can defeat GGG much easier.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

Like Canelo, right? The man is also approaching mid 30's.

Yeah, specially if those boxers are really into the war, wear and tear in their bodies. That's why we didn't see boxers fight in the 40's in the 80-to late 90's because that era, lots of boxers really try to take each others head.

But now it might be different that's why we have Manny and then Inoue and GGG. Nevertheless, no one can beat Father Time. So we will see if GGG can defy it as least one more time against his archival or maybe time to retire after he lost this fight.

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Quote from: Botnake on June 09, 2022, 02:55:32 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

That may be true but GGG and Donaire is incomparable, the only identical for the both boxers is they are both approach 40 and 40's. Aside from that, GGG have made his own legacy while Donaire have made his own too but they belong in completely different leagues. GGG may lose this trilogy but Canelo won't have that much hype because he didn't gave GGG his deserved rematch for years and now his giving it because he is now sure that he can defeat GGG much easier.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

Like Canelo, right? The man is also approaching mid 30's.

this is why this match is an interesting one. can GGG prove that age doesn't matter inside the ring? GGG won his last fight with murata, but can he still give a good fight with canelo. for sure, both camps have the motivation to win this upcoming fight. GGG wanting to win one last time maybe before he retires, whereas, canelo wanting to win because he lost his last fight. no odds yet, but who do you think will be the slight favourite of bookies?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

That may be true but GGG and Donaire is incomparable, the only identical for the both boxers is they are both approach 40 and 40's. Aside from that, GGG have made his own legacy while Donaire have made his own too but they belong in completely different leagues. GGG may lose this trilogy but Canelo won't have that much hype because he didn't gave GGG his deserved rematch for years and now his giving it because he is now sure that he can defeat GGG much easier.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

Like Canelo, right? The man is also approaching mid 30's.

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Maybe it was because can see his punch as it is slow, or Bivol is too good for Canelo at Light Heavyweight. But when him and GGG fight it will be in his sweet zone of 168 lbs so perhaps Canelo will be quick and have that crisp in his shot. But like the rest of you guys, we like the chances of GGG, I think he can still fight even at his age and it could still be a war like in the first 2 fights. Both give each other hell, but they have a granite chin so no one was knock out or knock down. And this could hold true in the trilogy and it will go on the judges scorecard.

If it goes down to the scorecard, then Canelo is definitely going to win. Grin

Canelo for sure will be under a lot of pressure. Already he is being blamed for delaying the trilogy fight and on top of that he is still recovering from his upset loss to Dmitry Bivol. I watched the highlights of the match. Canelo started well and Bivol was on the defensive for the first few rounds. But probably Canelo tried too hard too early and after a few rounds, it looked as if he was tired. All the three judges had exactly the same scoring for all the 12 rounds. Canelo won the first four rounds, while Bivol won 7 out of the next 8 rounds.

He could be pressured, but maybe he still has that big ego and thinks that he can still control the fight and negotiations, so we will see. Canelo is known to be a slow starter, and once he gets hot, Bivol as already ahead on some scorecard and he has given him the comfort, one-two lead and that's enough. But with GGG, it will be different in my opinion. They will go fight very hard until the last round.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 09, 2022, 05:06:27 AM

Maybe it was because can see his punch as it is slow, or Bivol is too good for Canelo at Light Heavyweight. But when him and GGG fight it will be in his sweet zone of 168 lbs so perhaps Canelo will be quick and have that crisp in his shot. But like the rest of you guys, we like the chances of GGG, I think he can still fight even at his age and it could still be a war like in the first 2 fights. Both give each other hell, but they have a granite chin so no one was knock out or knock down. And this could hold true in the trilogy and it will go on the judges scorecard.

If it goes down to the scorecard, then Canelo is definitely going to win. Grin

Canelo for sure will be under a lot of pressure. Already he is being blamed for delaying the trilogy fight and on top of that he is still recovering from his upset loss to Dmitry Bivol. I watched the highlights of the match. Canelo started well and Bivol was on the defensive for the first few rounds. But probably Canelo tried too hard too early and after a few rounds, it looked as if he was tired. All the three judges had exactly the same scoring for all the 12 rounds. Canelo won the first four rounds, while Bivol won 7 out of the next 8 rounds.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

How about on how Canelo performed or fight against Bivol? You could really still see that sloppy punches from Canelo which i do even see that those things are just the same with GGG. Cheesy

Fighting out Murata was still considerable but of course there would be some huge changes.

You could actually make out some differentiation between the two but i would still go for GGG on this one.There's no doubt on Canelo's power but
withstanding it wont really be that much of an issue.

Maybe it was because can see his punch as it is slow, or Bivol is too good for Canelo at Light Heavyweight. But when him and GGG fight it will be in his sweet zone of 168 lbs so perhaps Canelo will be quick and have that crisp in his shot. But like the rest of you guys, we like the chances of GGG, I think he can still fight even at his age and it could still be a war like in the first 2 fights. Both give each other hell, but they have a granite chin so no one was knock out or knock down. And this could hold true in the trilogy and it will go on the judges scorecard.

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Quote from: agustina2 on June 08, 2022, 08:02:30 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on June 08, 2022, 02:32:03 PM

Canelo will still likely win this match because he now have more advantage than GGG, but getting a win in this trilogy won't give him much hype but he needs to endure this fight because this is his ticket to get a rematch agaisnt Bivol.

Yes, I agree with that. Winning against GGG won't put Canelo on fame as the big thing is by defeating Dmitry Bivol. If Canelo will win here, I think it's just a recognition that he will receive but the hype isn't that high because GGG is already on his retirement age and this trilogy might be his last fight.

Regardless, Canelo has to win no matter what. If GGG wins instead, I doubt Canelo will have a chance to face Bivol in a rematch. Aside from that, Canelo might not get big fights and needs to go back from the below rankings before having a shot again to fight in a title match.

I think it can be concluded that Canelo must win because not only the fame he gets but he gets points that can be used for the next match against Bivol, as I see this will be a determining point whether GGG can read that strategy and give a chance to win for Canelo or not all, It depends on Canelo who has to beat GGG's defense in the arena because the fight is for the old people who prefer to survive and when they find the right time will end the game as quickly as possible.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 08, 2022, 01:55:00 AM

A slight interchange of name here, Canelo is the one who lost against Bivol with a huge upset, and that lost brought him back to fight GGG again. Luckily GGG wants to put an exclamation point on their trilogy (which is a good thing).
Now that GGG is 40 years old, I'll have to say they could have done it before he turns 40. Though he's still in a great form as what we've seen in the Murata fight, GGG still have enough left on his tank.
This fight is gonna be Canelo's ticket to continue climbing on his career, but if he lost I don't know what the future holds for him or who he will fight next, or most likely will have to witness a 4th match.

If he loses his second consecutive match (after the loss to Bivol), then things will get bad for Canelo. In all probability he will win this match and I believe that the betting odds are fair. But GGG can't be written off despite the fact that he is 40-years old. He has waited so long to get his revenge, especially after the biased scoring for the first two fights. The situation is very interesting. GGG has nothing to lose. He is already close to retirement and will be fighting against a top-ranked boxer. Even if he loses, his career may not suffer. But that is not the case with Canelo. If GGG somehow wins, then there will be negative implications on Canelo's career.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 08, 2022, 02:32:03 PM

Canelo will still likely win this match because he now have more advantage than GGG, but getting a win in this trilogy won't give him much hype but he needs to endure this fight because this is his ticket to get a rematch agaisnt Bivol.

Yes, I agree with that. Winning against GGG won't put Canelo on fame as the big thing is by defeating Dmitry Bivol. If Canelo will win here, I think it's just a recognition that he will receive but the hype isn't that high because GGG is already on his retirement age and this trilogy might be his last fight.

Regardless, Canelo has to win no matter what. If GGG wins instead, I doubt Canelo will have a chance to face Bivol in a rematch. Aside from that, Canelo might not get big fights and needs to go back from the below rankings before having a shot again to fight in a title match.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

How about on how Canelo performed or fight against Bivol? You could really still see that sloppy punches from Canelo which i do even see that those things are just the same with GGG. Cheesy

Fighting out Murata was still considerable but of course there would be some huge changes.

You could actually make out some differentiation between the two but i would still go for GGG on this one.There's no doubt on Canelo's power but
withstanding it wont really be that much of an issue.

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Quote from: harizen on June 07, 2022, 07:59:39 PM

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Canelo's image now is not that good anymore because Bivol really did some scratch on his record, after being the pound-for-pound king and an undisputed boxer, he lost by a UD.

Not that totally damaged but Canelo can still regain that status. He is still in his prime years after all.

After the Canelo vs GGG trilogy, it was reported that he will go to Bivol next for the rematch. Unfortunately, Bivol seems not interested in the rematch as he claimed he want more title than a rematch. Hopefully, if Canelo will able to win against GGG, that might push Bivol to consider a rematch with Canelo.

But before that, Canelo needs to settle first the chapter between him and GGG. A chapter that until now, no clear winner that's why a trilogy is necessary.

Yes, not that badly damaged but his record is now more scathed because of that defeat but yes, he can still manage because he still got his flexibility and speed. It's just that Bivol managed to overwhelm him first.

Certainly, Canelo now knows what and how it feels to be rejected for a rematch just like what he did to GGG. Canelo will still likely win this match because he now have more advantage than GGG, but getting a win in this trilogy won't give him much hype but he needs to endure this fight because this is his ticket to get a rematch agaisnt Bivol.

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After the fall of the legendary and future Hall of Fame Nonito Donaire from the hands of a much younger Naoya Inoue, I can see GGG is next. Although GGG has better odds than Donaire, I still believe the latter has the better chances of winning due to his power and he did hurt Inoue during their first fight. Canelo Alvarez already took GGG's best shots for 24 rounds. Now GGG is old and slower, I really really doubt he can outbox nor hurt Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez will stop GGG this time. Watch out on boxers entering their mid 30's as their bodies will start to decline (Lomachenko and Crawford).

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 07, 2022, 10:31:40 PM

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I agree, he is not a damage good, it's just that we don't see him losing the fight against Bivol. But Bivol is too much for him in a weight that he is not used to.

And remember that Canelo is one of the best and for sure these kind of boxers have the mentality to bounce back again, like Manny Pacquiao. I think there is still fire inside of Canelo to finished this trilogy with GGG and settled the discussion between these 2 legendary boxers. And it's good that Canelo experienced his second lost, so that he will have to improved and not being too much self-satisfying, in my opinion.

Too early to make conclusions. The Canelo vs GGG 3 fight would have happened at least 2-3 years ago, but Canelo was running away scared after his flawed victory during the second fight. He agreed to the fight now, only after knowing that GGG is now 40 years old. But the problem for him is that Golovkin is in excellent form right now (totally destroyed Ryōta Murata two months back) and Canelo himself is not in peak form (he lost to Dmitry Bivol last month, and that too at the T-Mobile Arena).

And this makes the fight interesting again, because of the lost GGG suffered in the hands of Bivol.

Maybe GGG will have a crack at Canelo because of his great performance against Murata and it seems that age is not yet a factor for him?

Or will Canelo wanted to show us that he is back again in his winning form and defeat GGG in a telling manner?

A slight interchange of name here, Canelo is the one who lost against Bivol with a huge upset, and that lost brought him back to fight GGG again. Luckily GGG wants to put an exclamation point on their trilogy (which is a good thing).
Now that GGG is 40 years old, I'll have to say they could have done it before he turns 40. Though he's still in a great form as what we've seen in the Murata fight, GGG still have enough left on his tank.
This fight is gonna be Canelo's ticket to continue climbing on his career, but if he lost I don't know what the future holds for him or who he will fight next, or most likely will have to witness a 4th match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 07, 2022, 09:41:47 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on June 07, 2022, 09:13:08 PM

I agree, he is not a damage good, it's just that we don't see him losing the fight against Bivol. But Bivol is too much for him in a weight that he is not used to.

And remember that Canelo is one of the best and for sure these kind of boxers have the mentality to bounce back again, like Manny Pacquiao. I think there is still fire inside of Canelo to finished this trilogy with GGG and settled the discussion between these 2 legendary boxers. And it's good that Canelo experienced his second lost, so that he will have to improved and not being too much self-satisfying, in my opinion.

Too early to make conclusions. The Canelo vs GGG 3 fight would have happened at least 2-3 years ago, but Canelo was running away scared after his flawed victory during the second fight. He agreed to the fight now, only after knowing that GGG is now 40 years old. But the problem for him is that Golovkin is in excellent form right now (totally destroyed Ryōta Murata two months back) and Canelo himself is not in peak form (he lost to Dmitry Bivol last month, and that too at the T-Mobile Arena).

And this makes the fight interesting again, because of the lost GGG suffered in the hands of Bivol.

Maybe GGG will have a crack at Canelo because of his great performance against Murata and it seems that age is not yet a factor for him?

Or will Canelo wanted to show us that he is back again in his winning form and defeat GGG in a telling manner?

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Quote from: Dave1 on June 07, 2022, 09:13:08 PM

I agree, he is not a damage good, it's just that we don't see him losing the fight against Bivol. But Bivol is too much for him in a weight that he is not used to.

And remember that Canelo is one of the best and for sure these kind of boxers have the mentality to bounce back again, like Manny Pacquiao. I think there is still fire inside of Canelo to finished this trilogy with GGG and settled the discussion between these 2 legendary boxers. And it's good that Canelo experienced his second lost, so that he will have to improved and not being too much self-satisfying, in my opinion.

Too early to make conclusions. The Canelo vs GGG 3 fight would have happened at least 2-3 years ago, but Canelo was running away scared after his flawed victory during the second fight. He agreed to the fight now, only after knowing that GGG is now 40 years old. But the problem for him is that Golovkin is in excellent form right now (totally destroyed Ryōta Murata two months back) and Canelo himself is not in peak form (he lost to Dmitry Bivol last month, and that too at the T-Mobile Arena).

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Quote from: harizen on June 07, 2022, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on June 07, 2022, 05:03:31 PM

Canelo's image now is not that good anymore because Bivol really did some scratch on his record, after being the pound-for-pound king and an undisputed boxer, he lost by a UD.

Not that totally damaged but Canelo can still regain that status. He is still in his prime years after all.

After the Canelo vs GGG trilogy, it was reported that he will go to Bivol next for the rematch. Unfortunately, Bivol seems not interested in the rematch as he claimed he want more title than a rematch. Hopefully, if Canelo will able to win against GGG, that might push Bivol to consider a rematch with Canelo.

But before that, Canelo needs to settle first the chapter between him and GGG. A chapter that until now, no clear winner that's why a trilogy is necessary.

I agree, he is not a damage good, it's just that we don't see him losing the fight against Bivol. But Bivol is too much for him in a weight that he is not used to.

And remember that Canelo is one of the best and for sure these kind of boxers have the mentality to bounce back again, like Manny Pacquiao. I think there is still fire inside of Canelo to finished this trilogy with GGG and settled the discussion between these 2 legendary boxers. And it's good that Canelo experienced his second lost, so that he will have to improved and not being too much self-satisfying, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 07, 2022, 05:03:31 PM

Canelo's image now is not that good anymore because Bivol really did some scratch on his record, after being the pound-for-pound king and an undisputed boxer, he lost by a UD.

Not that totally damaged but Canelo can still regain that status. He is still in his prime years after all.

After the Canelo vs GGG trilogy, it was reported that he will go to Bivol next for the rematch. Unfortunately, Bivol seems not interested in the rematch as he claimed he want more title than a rematch. Hopefully, if Canelo will able to win against GGG, that might push Bivol to consider a rematch with Canelo.

But before that, Canelo needs to settle first the chapter between him and GGG. A chapter that until now, no clear winner that's why a trilogy is necessary.

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Quote from: harizen on June 06, 2022, 07:51:53 PM

Fortunately, GGG was able to win against Murata because I think the trilogy against Canelo is totally non-sense now if GGG loses against Murata.

You're right. Actually, if GGG didnt win consecutively after his loss to Canelo I dont think this trilogy is possible or fans might lose interest because its just shows that GGG is not his usual self anymore as a great boxer. But since the outcome on his past fights are a victory, many are still looking forward that GGG can avenge his loss to Canelo.

But we cannot deny that this trilogy is not that interesting anymore because we can say that GGG is much more vulnerable now than he was in the previous years. After Canelo's loss and GGG's win, seems that this trilogy is slowly making some progress and hype because the people are interested to see how would Canelo and GGG perform.

Canelo's image now is not that good anymore because Bivol really did some scratch on his record, after being the pound-for-pound king and an undisputed boxer, he lost by a UD.

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